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    THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE:

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    Until the mid-20th century, the prevalent view across the world was that the universe was infinite, had existed forever and that it will continue to do so for all time. According to this view, known as the "static universe model," the universe had no end or beginning.

    In maintaining that the universe is a collection of fixed, static and unchanging substances, this view has constituted the basis of materialist philosophy and has consequently rejected the existence of a Creator. However, as science and technology progressed during the 20th century, the static universe model has been completely uprooted.

    We have now entered the 21st century and a new dawn is upon us. Through numerous experiments, observations and calculation conducted by some of the world's most prominent thinkers, modern physics has proven that the universe did indeed have a beginning, that it came into being from nothing in a single moment in a huge explosion. Furthermore, it has been established that the universe is not fixed and static, as materialists still stubbornly maintain. On the contrary, it is undergoing a constant process of movement, change and expansion. These recently-established facts all act as nails in the coffin of the static universe theory. Today, all these facts are universally accepted by the scientific community.

    The origin of the universe is described in the Qur'an in the following verse:

    He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. (Qur'an, 6:101)

    This information is in full agreement with the findings of contemporary scientists. As we stated earlier, the conclusion that astrophysics has reached today is that the entire universe, together with the dimensions of matter and time, came into existence as a result of a great explosion that occurred a long time ago. This event, known as "The Big Bang," is the catalyst for the creation of the universe from nothingness. This explosion, all parties in the scientific community agree, emanated from a single point some 15 billion years ago. (See Harun Yahya, The Creation of the Universe, Al-Attique Publishers Inc. Canada, 2000)

    Before the Big Bang, there was no such thing as matter. From a condition of non-existence in which neither matter, nor energy, nor even time existed-and which can only be described metaphysically-matter, energy, and time were all created in an instant. This fact, only recently discovered by modern physics, was announced to us in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.

    dunya3 1 - The scientific miracles of the Quran.The sensitive sensors on board the COBE space satellite, launched by NASA in 1992, captured evidentiary remnants of the Big Bang. This discovery served as evidence for the Big Bang, which is the scientific explanation of the fact that the universe was created from nothing.

    THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

    In the Qur'an, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described in the following terms:

    And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

    The word "heaven," as stated in the verse above, is used in various places in the Qur'an. It is referring to space and the wider universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning, stating that the universe "expands." The Arabic word "moosiaaoona" in the term "inna lamoosiaaoona," translated into English as "it is We Who are steadily expanding it", comes from the verb "evsea," meaning "to expand." The prefix "la" emphasises the following name or title and adds a sense of "to a great extent." This expression therefore means "We expand the sky or the universe to a great extent." This is the very conclusion that science has reached today.

    Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time." However, modern research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning and that it constantly "expands."

    At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.

    This notion was confirmed by the use of observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. This discovery is regarded as one of the greatest in the history of astronomy. During these observations, Hubble established that the stars emit a light that turns redder according to their distance. That is because according to the known laws of physics, light heading towards a point of observation turns violet, and light moving away from that point assumes a more reddish hue. During his observations, Hubble noted a tendency towards the colour red in the light emitted by stars. In short, the stars were moving further and further away, all the time. The stars and galaxies were not only moving away from us, but also from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding.

    In order to gain a clearer understanding of this, let us imagine the universe to be the surface of a balloon being inflated. In the same way that the more the balloon is inflated, the further away the points on its surface move from one another, celestial bodies also move away from one another as the universe expands. This was theoretically discovered by Albert Einstein, regarded as one of the greatest scientists of the 20th century. However, in order to avoid violating the "static universe model" that was generally accepted at that time, Einstein laid that discovery aside. He would later describe this as the greatest blunder of his life.

    This fact was explained in the Qur'an in a time when telescopes and similar technological advancements were not even close to being invented. This is because the Qur'an is the Word of Allah: the Creator and Ruler of the entire universe.

    genisleme 1 - The scientific miracles of the Quran.From the moment of the Big Bang, the universe has been constantly expanding at a great speed. Scientists compare the expanding universe to the surface of a balloon that is inflated.

    THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH
    As we have stated above, the creation of the universe began with a huge explosion. From this point, the universe has been expanding ever since. Scientists say that when the mass of the universe has reached a sufficient level, this expansion will come to an end because of gravity, causing the universe to collapse in on itself.

    It is also believed that the contracting universe will end in a fierce heat and contraction known as the "Big Crunch." This would lead to the end of all forms of life as we know them. Renata Kallosh and Andrei Linde, professors of physics from Stanford University, made the following statements on the subject:

    The universe may be doomed to collapse and disappear. Everything we see now, and at a much larger distance that we cannot see, will collapse into a point smaller than a proton. Locally, it will be the same as if you were inside a black hole... We have found that some of the best attempts to describe dark energy predict that it will gradually become negative, which will cause the universe to become unstable, then collapse... Physicists have known that dark energy could become negative and the universe could collapse sometime in the very distant future... but now we see that we might be, not in the beginning, but in the middle of the life cycle of our universe.

    This is how this scientific hypothesis of the Big Crunch is indicated in the Qur'an:

    That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a promise binding on Us. That is what We will do. (Qur'an, 21:104)

    In another verse, this state of the heavens is described thus:

    They do not measure Allah with His true measure. The whole earth will be a mere handful for Him on the Day of Rising the heavens folded up in His right hand. Glory be to Him! He is exalted above the partners they ascribe! (Qur'an, 39:67)

    According to the Big Crunch theory, the universe will begin to collapse slowly and will then increasingly pick up speed. At the end of the process the universe will have infinite density and be infinitely hot and small. This scientific theory runs parallel to the Qur'anic explanation of this particular scientific concept. (Allah knows best)

    bigcrunch 1 - The scientific miracles of the Quran.The Big Crunch theory proposes that the universe, that began expanding with the Big Bang, will collapse in on itself with increasing speed. According to the theory, this collapse of the universe will continue until the universe has lost all its mass and turned into a single point of infinite density.

    CREATION FROM HOT SMOKE

    Scientists today are able to observe the formation of stars from a hot gas cloud. Formation from a warm mass of gas also applies to the creation of the universe. The creation of the universe as described in the Qur'an confirms this scientific discovery in the following verse:

    He placed firmly embedded mountains on it, towering over it, and blessed it and measured out its nourishment in it, laid out for those who seek it-all in four days. Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come willingly or unwillingly." They both said, "We come willingly." (Qur'an, 41:10-11)

    The Arabic word for "smoke" in the above verse is "dukhanun," which describes the hot, cosmic smoke in question. This word in the Qur'an, in pinpoint fashion, describes this smoke very accurately for it is a warm body of gas containing mobile particles connected to solid substances. Here, the Qur'an has employed the most appropriate word from the Arabic language for describing the appearance of this phase of the universe. Let us note that only in the 20th century have scientists discovered that the universe emerged from a hot gas in the form of smoke.

    The fact that such information about the creation of the universe is given in the Qur'an is nothing short of a miracle of the Qur'an

    THE SPLITTING ASUNDER OF "THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"
    Another verse about the creation of the heavens is as follows:

    Do those who disbelieve not see that the heavens and the earth were sewn together and then We unstitched them and that We made from water every living thing? So will they not believe? (Qur'an, 21:30)

    The word "ratq" translated as "sewn to" means "mixed in each, blended" in the Arabic vernacular. It is used to refer to two different substances that make up a whole. The phrase "we unstitched" is the verb "fataqa" in Arabic and implies that something comes into being by tearing apart or destroying the structure of things that are sewn to one another. The sprouting of a seed from the soil is one of the actions to which this verb is applied.

    Let us take a look at the verse again. In the verse, sky and earth are at first subject to the status of "ratq." They are separated (fataqa) with one coming out of the other. Intriguingly, when we think about the first moments of the Big Bang, we see that the entire matter of the universe collected at one single point. In other words, everything-including "the heavens and earth" which were not created yet-were in an interwoven and inseparable condition. Then, this point exploded violently, causing its matter to disunite.

    THE CREATION OF WHAT LIES BETWEEN THE HEAVENS
    AND THE EARTH

    The Qur'an contains a great many verses concerning the creation of the earth, the heavens and what lies between:

    We did not create the heavens and earth and everything between them, except with truth. The Hour is certainly coming, so turn away graciously.
    (Qur'an, 15:85)

    Everything in the heavens and everything on the earth and everything in between them and everything under the ground belongs to Him. (Qur'an, 20:6)

    We did not create heaven and earth and everything in between them as a game. (Qur'an, 21:16)

    Scientists state that first of all, a mass of hot gas increased in density. This mass later divided into smaller parts to form galactic matter and later still, the stars and planets. To put it another way, the Earth along with stars around it, are all parts which separated from a united body of gas. Some of these parts brought the suns and planets into being, thus leading to the emergence of the many Solar Systems and galaxies. As we have set out in earlier sections of this book, the universe was first in a state of "ratq" (fusion: combined together, united) and then became "fataqa" (divided into parts). The emergence of the universe is described with the most suitable words in the Qur'an, in such a way as to confirm the scientific accounts.

    On the occasion of every division, a few particles remained outside the new, fundamental bodies forming in space. The scientific name for these extra particles is "interstellar galactic material." Interstellar matter consists of 60% of hydrogen, 38% of helium and 2% of all other elements. 99% of the interstellar matter consists of interstellar gas and 1% of interstellar dust, which probably consists of heavy elements in small particles of 0,0001 to 0.001 mm in diameter. Scientists regard these substances as very important from the point of view of astrophysical measurements. These substances are so fine as to be capable of being regarded as dust, smoke or gas. However, when one considers these substances as a whole, they represent a larger mass than the total of all the galaxies in space. Although the existence of this interstellar galactic matter was only discovered in 1920, attention was drawn to the existence of these particles, described as "ma baynahuma"-translated as "everything between them"-hundreds of years ago in the Qur'an.

    THE PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM IN THE UNIVERSE
    He Who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any discrepancy in the creation of the All-Merciful. Look again-do you see any gaps? Then look again and again. Your sight will return to you dazzled and exhausted! (Qur'an, 67:3-4)

    The billions of stars and galaxies in the universe move in perfect equilibrium in the paths set out for them. Stars, planets and satellites rotate not only around their own axes but also together with the systems of which they are an integral part. Sometimes, galaxies containing 200-300 billion stars move across each others' paths. Yet amazingly, no collisions take place that might damage the great order in the universe. This miracle is something over which all of us should reflect.

    In the universe, the concept of speed assumes giant dimensions when compared to earthly measurements. Stars, planets, galaxies and conglomerations of galaxies-whose numerical properties can only be conceived by mathematicians-weigh billions or trillions of tons, and move through space at extraordinary speeds.

    For example, the Earth rotates at 1,670 kmph. If we consider that the fastest-moving bullet today possesses an average speed of 1,800 kmph, we can see how fast the Earth is moving, despite its enormous size and mass.

    The speed of the Earth as it orbits the Sun is some 60 times faster than a bullet: 108,000 kmph. If we were able to construct a vehicle capable of moving at that speed, it would be able to circumnavigate the Earth in 22 minutes. These figures apply only to the Earth.

    Those for the Solar System are even more fascinating. The speed of that system is such as to exceed the bounds of reason: The larger the systems in the universe, the greater their speed. The Solar System's speed of orbit around the centre of the galaxy is 720,000 kmph. The Milky Way, with its 200 billion or so stars, moves through space at 950,000 kmph.

    There is no doubt that there is a very high risk of collisions in such a complicated and fast-moving system. Yet nothing of the sort actually happens and we continue with our lives in complete safety. That is because everything in the universe functions according to the flawless equilibrium set out by Allah. It is for this reason that, as stated in the verse, there is no "discrepancy" in the system.

    THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE STARS
    We built seven firm layers above you. We installed a blazing lamp. (Qur'an, 78:12-13)

    gunes 1 - The scientific miracles of the Quran.As we know, the only source of light in the Solar System is the Sun. With advances in technology, astronomers discovered that the Moon was not a source of light but that it merely reflects the light reaching it from the Sun. The expression "lamp" in the above verse is a translation of the Arabic word "sirajan," which most perfectly describes the Sun, the source of light and heat.

    In the Qur'an Allah employs different words when referring to such celestial bodies as the Moon, the Sun and the stars. This is how the differences between the structures of the Sun and Moon are expressed in the Qur'an:

    Do you not see how He created seven heavens in layers, and placed the moon as a light in them and made the sun a blazing lamp? (Qur'an, 71:15-16)

    ay2 1 - The scientific miracles of the Quran.In the above verse, the word "light" is used for the Moon ("nooran" in Arabic) and the word "lamp" for the Sun ("sirajan" in Arabic.) The word used for the Moon refers to a light-reflecting, bright, motionless body. The word used for the Sun refers to a celestial body which is always burning, a constant source of heat and light.

    On the other hand, the word "star" comes from the Arabic root "nejeme," meaning "appearing, emerging, visible." As in the verse below, stars are also referred to by the word "thaqib," which is used for that which shines and pierces the darkness with light: self-consuming and burning:

    It is the star that pierces through darkness! (Qur'an, 86:3)

    We now know that the Moon does not emit its own light but reflects that reaching it from the Sun. We also know that the Sun and stars do emit their own light. These facts were revealed in the Qur'an in an age when mankind simply did not have the means to make scientific discoveries of their own accord. It was an age when peoples' knowledge of celestial bodies was severely restricted, to say the least. This further emphasises the miraculous nature of the book of Islam.

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    to be continue........
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    And you propose otherwise because you are an Astro-physicist? and your word should deem the Ariadaeus Rille an artifact?.. You always profess people are "clueless" when it comes to your Tanakh-- by the same token stop being such an expert quranic Texts.
    I'm no expert in Quranic texts by any means. I would welcome you to correct any misinterpration on my part when quoting the Quran, or even reffering to it. I welcome critisism, since I am by no means a Quran expert.
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    Don't be absurd. Try actually reading the previous posts.

    I clearly stated that the Qur'an says the world is spherical. I named Al-Suyuti (who, inconvenient as it may be, is a significant figure) merely to point out that the 'flat earth' idea was still around some considereable time later, and not only in Europe. I also implied that that was contrary to the vast majority of muslim opinion, and the article I linked to made that point quite specifically.

    However, you are at it too.



    Same old myth. The "medieval belief" was not that "the earth was flat". Some people thought it was. Most Arab intellectuals indeed knew it wasn't, but in all probability that knowledge could be traced right back to Eratosthenes. They knew it was spherical long before the Qur'an was revealed, although some of them afterwards no doubt obtained that knowledge from reading or listing to recitations of the Qur'an. But the fundamental point comes back to "could somebody in seventh century Arabia know the world was round not flat?". The simple answer is "yes". That was probably the prevailing opinion.
    An interesting thing about Religious debate. It seems the biggest disagreements come from points that would be considered trivia if discussed in a non-Religious atmosphere.

    But, the reality of life is, it is impossible to to prove a negative. It is not your responsibility to prove the Qur'an is flawed, it is our responsibility to prove it is true. Perhaps we take this task too seriously and some of the statements we show proof for are already known to the general population as being true. However, we are very much aware that every word, every line, every thought in the Qur'an is subject to scrutiny. We also know that there are things in the Qur'an that we do not have the means to show universally acceptable proof for, at this time. Therefore it is essential to point out every line of verifiable proof . Let the preponderance of evidence be the guide to demonstrate that the Qur'an is true.

    I will agree that for some this is a long drawn out melodrama, and some what redundant and boring. But, because everything will be questioned, our job will not be complete until we can show to the strongest doubter that there is verification for every word.

    The overall purpose of that statement was not to be a geography lesson, to point out to flat landers that the world is spherical. It is to show that there is verification that one statement is true.

    This is what is demanded of the doubters, that we prove what is written. Even if it means taking it one word at a time.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    ???!!!

    I was only replying to this from you;
    Iam so sorry ..

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    Did you want an answer or not?! What did you expect me to say?
    did you read my last reply in "The Qur'an Is The Word Of Allah .."
    I have nothing to said except this ....... but don't think that I can't unswer you

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    Yes, I did watch the vid.
    I hope you appreciate it , what's your opinion about it?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    Really? The moon just splits in half then?

    Everything was created in pairs?

    DUALITY IN CREATION

    Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them. (Qur'an, 36:36)

    While "male and female" is equivalent to the concept of "pair," "things unknown to them," as expressed in the Qur'an, bears a broader meaning. Indeed, we encounter one of the meanings pointed to in the verse in the present day. The British physicist Paul Dirac, who discovered that matter was created in pairs, won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1933. This finding, known as "parity," revealed the duality known as matter and anti-matter. Anti-matter bears the opposite characteristics to matter. For instance, contrary to matter, anti-matter electrons are positive and protons negative. This fact is expressed in a scientific source as follows:

    ... every particle has its antiparticle of opposite charge… [T]he uncertainty relation tells us that pair creation and pair annihilation happen in the vacuum at all times, in all places.

    Another example of duality in creation is plants. Botanists only discovered that there is a gender distinction in plants some 100 years ago.48 Yet, the fact that plants are created in pairs was revealed in the following verses of the Qur'an 1,400 years ago:

    It is Allah Who created the heavens with no support-you can see them-and cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth so that it would not move under you, and scattered about in it creatures of every kind. And We send down water from the sky and make every generous plant grow in it, in pairs. (Qur'an, 31:10)

    It is He Who made the earth a cradle for you and threaded pathways for you through it and sent down water from the sky by which We have brought forth diverse pairs of plants. (Qur'an, 20:53)

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    There are antimatter equivalents of all the basic particles in the universe. Antimatters possess the same mass but carry opposite charges. For that reason, when matter and antimatter make contact they disappear by turning into energy.

    by.harun yahya

    what you read it about miracles is just a way to understand Quran, you have a choice to believe it or not ... So please don't Enter us in this empty discuss.

    please read this verse " He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established, clear meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are not entirely clear. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is not clear, seeking discord, and searching for hidden meanings in it, but no one knows its interpretation except Allah.
    And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
    " (3:7)

    that what Our Lord Order us to do and I have nothing to said except this:
    "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord"

    In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
    "The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon was cleft asunder." (54:1)
    and .. If you are really a Jew So, The sea just splits in half then?

    this is a miracles .. are you understand

    If you not .. then forget it
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    Greetings Trumble,

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    I know that Mohammed's political achievements alone identify him as a genius, and that while illiterate he certainly would have spoken to people from a wide variety of backgrounds. I know that that same knowledge would have resided in all centres of learning between Rome and India, and a great many people who generally resided or travelled elsewhere would have been exposed to it via others particularly when it may well have been 'common knowledge'.
    It is only an assumption that the knowledge of the earth being spherical was so widespread at that time, when "the Early Middle Ages (ca. 3rd to 7th centuries) saw occasional arguments in favor of a flat Earth". Furthermore:

    Around 150 AD, Claudius Ptolemy, a Greek geographer, mathematician, and astronomer, compiled an encyclopedia of the ancient world from the archives of a legendary library in Alexandria, Egypt. His eight-volume Geography included extensive maps of the known world, all based on a curved globe.

    Unfortunately, learning and intellect went out of fashion in Europe between 400 and 1200 AD. The storehouses of Greek knowledge were lost to Western society with the advent of the gloomy period known as the Dark Ages. Sea monsters and Vikings ruled the seas, and ships that ventured too far from shore were sure to fall off the edge of a flat Earth. Maps made in that time were based on religious beliefs or superstitions, not on observations, calculations, or scientific inquiry. Rectangular maps of the Earth represented the "four corners of the Earth." Circular maps usually placed the birthplace of Christianity, the holy city of Jerusalem, at the center of the world.
    http://www.gma.org/space1/nav_map.html

    So although some people may have known the earth was spherical, it cannot be said for certain that all centres of learning would have had this same belief. We also know about the Prophet's (pbuh) homeland:

    In that benighted era, darkness lay heavier and thicker in one land than in any other. The neighboring countries of Persia, Byzantium, and Egypt possessed a glimmer of civilization and a faint light of learning, but the Arabian peninsula, isolated and cut off by vast oceans of sand, was culturally and intellectually one of the world’s most backward areas. The Hijaz, birthplace of the Prophet, had not passed through even the limited development of neighboring regions, and had not experienced any social evolution or attained any intellectual development of note. Although their highly developed language could express the finest shades of meaning, a study of their literature’s remnants reveals the limited extent of their knowledge. All of this shows their low cultural and civilization standards, their deeply superstitious nature, their barbarous and ferocious customs, and their uncouth and degraded moral standards and conceptions.
    http://www.islamanswers.net/crossroads/prophet.htm

    The idea that Mohammed's Mecca was somehow isolated in some bubble from the rest of the world simply isn't credible. If anything, it's rather insulting to its inhabitants. It was a trading town, on the route from Southern Arabia and even India to the Byzantine (and previously Roman) empires, not to mention assorted other places.
    Makkah was a religious center more than anything, and the caravans would go to Syria in the summer and Yemen in the winter. It is also important to note that Muhammad (pbuh) lived as a shepherd for much of his life, and prior to Prophethood he would spend much of his time away from society contemplating. It is therefore quite apparent that the more we examine the life and location of Muhammad (pbuh), the more baseless the allegations about him become.

    In fact, these claims are not new; the Qur'an itself makes mention of them:

    Those who disbelieve say: "This (the Qur'ân) is nothing but a lie that he (Muhammad wwwislamicboardcom - The scientific miracles of the Quran.) has invented, and others have helped him at it, so that they have produced an unjust wrong (thing) and a lie."

    And they say: "Tales of the ancients, which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon."

    Say: "It (this Qur'ân) has been sent down by Him (Allâh) (the Real Lord of the heavens and earth) Who knows the secret of the heavens and the earth. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

    [25:4-6]


    The commentary of these verses mentions:
    Because this idea is so foolish and is so patently false, everyone knows that it is not true. It is known through Mutawatir reports and is a common fact that Muhammad the Messenger of Allah never learned to read or write, either at the beginning or the end of his life. He grew up among them for approximately forty years, from the time he was born until the time when his mission began. They knew all about him, and about his honest and sound character and how he would never lie or do anything immoral or bad. They even used to call him Al-Amin (the Trustworthy One) from a young age, until his mission began, because they saw how truthful and honest he was. When Allah honored him with that which He honored him, they declared their enmity towards him and came up with all these accusations which any reasonable person would know he was innocent of. They were not sure what to accuse him of. Sometimes they said that he was a sorcerer, at other times they would say he was a poet, or crazy, or a liar.
    Many inerrancies arise if one goes down the path that such information was taught to Muhammad (pbuh) by others. For instance, why would this information be mentioned in the context of drawing attention to Allaah's creation? Wouldn't he subscribe to the Greek philosophy or widespread beliefs at that time whilst delivering the information in a more scientific, in-depth fashion? The Qur'an would be more of a scientific journal if such was the case.

    Looking at it in context, this is just one aspect out of many which attest to the truth of the Qur'an. The Qur'an includes many other scientific references that do not go against our scientific understanding today. If we consider the time period of superstition and ignorance as well as the person to whom the Qur'an was revealed, how is this possible?


    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
    Oddly enough, the heyday of the 'flat-earthers' was actually many centuries later in Europe. In the muslim world Imam Al-Suyuti (15th century) believed the world to be flat (which, as I happily agree the Qur'an says it is round, seems rather odd), contrasting with earlier muslim opinion.
    The wikipedia article goes on to mention:

    Medieval Muslim World

    At some time in the 9th century, with scholars like Al-Battani, the Muslim World was leading in astronomical knowledge, and the sphericity of the Earth was consequently a well known fact. Around 830 CE, Caliph al-Ma'mun commissioned a group of astronomers to measure the distance from Tadmur (Palmyra) to al-Raqqah, in modern Syria. They found the cities to be separated by one degree of latitude and the distance between them to be 66 2/3 miles and thus calculated the Earth's circumference to be 24,000 miles.[38]

    Ibn Taymiya (died 1328 CE), said: "Celestial bodies are round - as it is the statement of astronomers and mathematicians - it is [likewise] the statement of the scholars of the Muslims; as Abul-Hasan ibn al-Manaadi, Abu Muhammad Ibn Hazm, Abul-Faraj Ibn Al-Jawzi and others have quoted: that the Muslim scholars are in agreement (that all celestial bodies are round). Indeed Allah has said: And He (i.e., Allah) it is Who created the night and the day, the sun and the moon. They float, each in a Falak. Ibn Abbas says: A Falaka like that of a spinning wheel. The word 'Falak' (in the Arabic language) means "that which is round." [39]

    Many Muslim scholars declared a mutual agreement (Ijma) that celestial bodies are round. Some of them are: Ibn Hazm (d. 1069), Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 1200), and Ibn Taymiya (d. 1328). The later belief of Muslim scholars, like Suyuti (d. 1505) that the earth is flat represents a deviation from this earlier opinion .[40]

    The Muslim scholars who held to the round earth theory used it in an impeccably Islamic manner, to calculate the distance and direction from any given point on the earth and Mecca. This determined the Qibla, or Muslim direction of prayer. Muslim mathematicians developed spherical trigonometry which was used in these calculations.[41] Ibn Khaldun, in his famous Muqaddimah, clearly says the world is spherical.

    There is also a verse in the Quran [79:30] which some modern English translations give as "He made the earth egg-shaped"[42] which suggests that the Earth was not believed to be flat. Most translations ("And after that He spread the earth") suggest that this verse can be interpreted to support the flat Earth theory.
    lavikor,

    Really? The moon just splits in half then?
    Miracles are different to scientific facts, since miracles, by definition, go against ordinary laws of nature.

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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    While "male and female" is equivalent to the concept of "pair," "things unknown to them," as expressed in the Qur'an, bears a broader meaning. Indeed, we encounter one of the meanings pointed to in the verse in the present day. The British physicist Paul Dirac, who discovered that matter was created in pairs, won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1933. This finding, known as "parity," revealed the duality known as matter and anti-matter. Anti-matter bears the opposite characteristics to matter. For instance, contrary to matter, anti-matter electrons are positive and protons negative. This fact is expressed in a scientific source as follows:

    ... every particle has its antiparticle of opposite charge… [T]he uncertainty relation tells us that pair creation and pair annihilation happen in the vacuum at all times, in all places.
    Did you not read my post? *Sigh*.

    Miracles are different to scientific facts, since miracles, by definition, go against ordinary laws of nature.
    Yes, I understand, I am just at a lost of words to why thousands of cultures did not write about this, nor attribute this action to their own gods. Such a thing like the moon splitting I would think create thousands of literrary works.
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    Yes, I understand, I am just at a lost of words to why thousands of cultures did not write about this, nor attribute this action to their own gods. Such a thing like the moon splitting I would think create thousands of literrary works.
    I would love to rip the Torah by listing all it's scientific inaccuracies, but I will not steep that low.
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    PLEASE watch a documantary type on quran miracle at
    http://www.thedeenshow.com/video.html
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    Lightbulb Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    format_quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    Did you not read my post? *Sigh*.

    So? there is NO opposition between you and me ..... Iam talking about subject and you talk about another.

    "And of every thing We have created pairs: that ye may receive instruction"

    does This verse talk about reproduction?

    please read carefully .. and be honest with yourself when you read Quran.
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    and Greetings,

    Posts about the splitting of the moon have been moved here:

    http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...it-moon-2.html
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    format_quote Originally Posted by mariam. View Post
    THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

    In the Qur'an, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described in the following terms:

    And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

    The word "heaven," as stated in the verse above, is used in various places in the Qur'an. It is referring to space and the wider universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning, stating that the universe "expands." The Arabic word "moosiaaoona" in the term "inna lamoosiaaoona," translated into English as "it is We Who are steadily expanding it", comes from the verb "evsea," meaning "to expand." The prefix "la" emphasises the following name or title and adds a sense of "to a great extent." This expression therefore means "We expand the sky or the universe to a great extent." This is the very conclusion that science has reached today.
    There is no mention in the Quran that God has expanded "heaven" steadily.

    That "steadily" is an interpretation which has been added to make believe that the verse follows the theory of the expanding universe.

    God could have expanded the universe instantaneously as well.
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Cyril View Post
    There is no mention in the Quran that God has expanded "heaven" steadily.

    That "steadily" is an interpretation which has been added to make believe that the verse follows the theory of the expanding universe.

    God could have expanded the universe instantaneously as well.

    And your proof is from...?
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post
    And your proof is from...?
    From the Arabic Quran of course.
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Cyril View Post
    From the Arabic Quran of course.

    Oh, so all the commentators of the Qur'an and interpretors have been wrong, and you've proved them all wrong?


    Maybe you could clarify your position abit more?
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post
    And your proof is from...?
    It is at least implied in Mariam's quote which gives two translations;

    "it is We Who are steadily expanding it"
    and

    "We expand the sky or the universe to a great extent"
    Those who are fluent in Arabic can no doubt tell us whether "inna lamoosiaaoona" actually includes the 'steadily' or not?
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    Yes ^ therefore we get a fluent arabic speaker to clarify the situation, we don't start saying the persons wrong simply upon our own 'interpretation.' One interpreter may not have known the full science behind it and therefore not explained it in that context. Especially since the arabic language is a rich language.

    We'll just have to get someone who is a fluent arabic speaker to answer the situation, and right now - we take the original context of it since that is what the article is referring to.



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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    Perhaps that Arabic speaker could also explain the following translations, and why they differ from the one quoted (whose translation is that, BTW?) ;

    Yusuf Ali
    With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of space.
    Pickthal:
    We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof)
    Shakir:
    And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    Try creating a thread in the arabic section I think we have some similar threads there already for a topic related to this, so yeah - go ahead please. Since that's what the sections created for.
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    The first translation of the verse that has been given in the thread is from Adnan Öktar, Harun Yahya by his pen-name.

    Most translators did not include the notion of "continuousness" in their work.

    An Arabic verb does not give the notion of duration as the English present continuous does. That notion is given or not by the context.
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    Re: The scientific miracles of the Quran.

    here is the verse in Arabic.. and I'll give meaning to it word by word

    وَالسَّمَاء بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ {47}
    [Pickthal 51:47] We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).

    وَالسَّمَاءAs'sama = heaven or also skies.. when I say sab3 samawat means 7 heavens
    when i say as'sama zarqaa= the sky is blue..

    adding the و

    is meant to denote (and) so the first would be and the heavens we've built

    now the next word banynaha بَنَيْنَاهَا means we have built adding the B in banyenaha means we built
    بِأَيْدٍ
    be'ayd ( with might)


    وَإِنَّا and we can one letter in Arabic can be a whole word hence the language of the quran is mighty powerful و by itself means (and)

    لَمُوسِعُونَ lamowso3oon --can make it expand you can say (mawswoo3a alkalimat) for instance means an expanded dictionary or expanded words--
    lamwisi3oon-- can we make it expand.. basically the heavens we have built and we'll expand

    hope that was of help? I am not sure what the question is but that is the Arabic of it

    peace!

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    وَالسَّمَاء بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ {47}
    [Pickthal 51:47] We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).
    [Pooya/Ali Commentary 51:47]
    Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

    Although the frontiers of space are confined, they are not fixed. They can be expanded.

    you can find Pooya's explanation here without resorting to Yaha's page

    http://www.--------------/quran/
    or also
    http://tafsir.com/Default.asp

    peace
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