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    Da'wah to a Sikh (OP)


    Assalamualaikum!

    Does anbody here have any tips as to how to give da'wah to a sikh?
    Or is anyone here a revert from Sikhism?
    Or does anyone know of any such contradictions or scientific errors in the Sikh teachings?
    Is there any good site for these questions if none of you know the answer?

    Basically i have a sikh friend who recently has taken a real disliking towards Islam when he found out according to Islam, only Muslims go to heaven and all other followers of other religions go to hell. He thinks all religions are right and basically they are all a different form of discipline, for example some people pray 5 times a day to discipline themselves and be good people, some people go to church, some people grow their hair long like sikhs. But basically all are different paths to God

    The basic argument i have agaisnt HIS views are, that Sikhism is contradicting itself big time. How can all religions be right, seeing as religions like Christianity Judaism and Islam all believe the whole purpose of their life revolves round the fact we will e going to heaven/hell, whilst religions like Sikhsim n Hinduism believe in reincarnation
    Christianity believes Jesus is Son of God, whilst Islam emphatically says the oppisite, saing it is blasphemous to say this
    Hinduism says there are lots of Gods and for example Judaism says theres one God. How can all these religions be right, its as if your saying God said one thing to one set of epople, and said something totall different to another set, ie saying he is lieing and that just can't be

    Anyway these are my views regarding his views, but i'm not too sure if these are the correct Sikh beliefs
    Please can someone comment or help me on this topic, or provide a decent site about this

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    Please don't confuse the people with a religion; while there may be poorly practising people, it does not mean the religion is flawed, as Islam does not teach hatred nor violence.
    this is why i said muslims not islam, and also thats why Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji said "na koi hindu na Koi Mussalman" meaning there is not hindu or muslim left on this earth, i know i have contradicted myself their anybody would think i was god lol

    If your religion is "more than a faith", I assume you mean that you have contact with your guru and can show him to others to provide proof?
    again here we go again, the guru is the word it was always the word the vehicle for the word was once flesh today its paper it has othing to do with a body, and the second error is the asking for proof?, the word is the proof cos thats all the guru was in the first place, if you want proof that the word is god then you have to listen to gurbani and see the effects it has on your soul the power of naam is amazing look:

    http://www.ektaone.com/sikhism_060218.php

    It seems more and more people from different backgrounds of race and religion are becoming more and more influenced by the teachings of Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Jee with the realisation of naam. Sikh societies around the UK are becoming more and more proactive to help spread the teachings and help people, regardless of their social background, to come and join in with sangat and learn about the Sikh faith. Derby University Sikh Society is at the forefront of this mission. It has to be stressed, that its not about converting people or forcing them. The aim is to show people the path and leave them the choice whether they want to walk it, or not. So we caught up with Ambreen Raza, a female Muslim student, who talks about her experience and enlightenment thanks to the Sikh Society.

    What were you views on Waheguru before learning about Naam and why?

    I had a general view, pretty much like everyone else. I've been brought up being told that there is a God and He makes everything happen. I didn't really believe in this much but it was always in the back of my mind.

    I guess the main reason why I didn't believe in God that much was from personal experiences i.e. doing good but bad always happening to me. I believed that you make things happen for yourself, for example if you smoke and you have a heart attack, how can that be a sign from God, when its obvious the smoking caused it?

    What was your view of religion before learning about parts of Sikhism and Naam?

    I didn't really have a view on religion. I respect all faiths but didn't feel strongly about any of them. The main reasons being because whenever I asked questions about religions I was always given ‘blind faith answers' i.e. “it's just the way it is” or “it says so in the Quran (or any other ‘Holy book').” The answers were never fully explained and backed up with proof. They left me feeling unsure and dissatisfied. I felt like there must be more to it than what they were saying.

    However, I didn't believe that it was necessary to follow a faith to be good to people and have manners. That's common courtesy. It depends on the type of person you are, not which religion you follow.

    From not being bothered about God and religion what got you interested in Sikhism?

    I had seen Amarjit (head of Sikh society at uni) around uni a few times and he never seemed upset, angry or stressed out, even on deadline days! It got me wondering about why he never had these negative emotions. I mean if I had 4 assignments to hand in on that same day and I hadn't done any of them I would be stressing, but Amarjit always had a smile on his face and managed to get his work done on time.

    I approached him one day and asked him what his secret was and he said Sikhi. So I started asking him questions like, ‘what is the point of life?', ‘is there a God? And how do you know?', ‘why do bad things happen?', ‘what happens when you die?' … he answered all of my questions.

    From learning about Naam, what have you learnt? What is your view on Waheguru and religion now?

    I've learnt about death; 8,400,000,000 births and deaths, staying in the human karma and actual hell if there is no Naam in your life. It has helped me realise why things happen to people, for example why people are born with disabilities etc.

    Learning about Nam has made me realise the importance of Waheguru and the purpose of life. There's so much more to life than I thought.

    Prior to Sikhism all the religion heads filled their own egos by diverting the attention of the follower away from God and onto themselves. The effects of Gurbani and Naam have made me realise the power of God.

    Do Muslims at uni know you are learning about Sikhism?

    Yes they do. I was on the Sikh Society stall during freshers' week.

    How have Muslims reacted to you and the person who is teaching you? Any hostility towards you or him?

    No one has come directly to me, however there have been notes left at Amarjit's desk, we're not sure if whether it was left by a Muslim. There have been some people from the Islamic society approach my sister and tell her that they feel they need to speak to me, but to this day no one has actually approached me.

    How have you been taught? And do you get bored?

    I've been taught on a one to one basis, we've had sessions last up to 3 hours. They weren't intended to be that long but once we get talking it's really makes you think and we get carried away.

    Are you interested in learning more?

    Yes. There is so much I haven't covered yet, I've only been taught the basics and there is so much more to learn. I've been taught everything in so much depth that I just want to keep learning about it.

    Many thanks to Derby University Sikh Society and Ambreen Raza.

    I'm not quite sure what you mean about the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), but his leaving the world does not affect Islam in any way since he left behind his Sunnah and the Qur'an - which actually informs of his death.

    this is fine by me i dont know how it ties into all of this though.

    Have a nice day amigos

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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    Greetings,

    format_quote Originally Posted by ISDhillon View Post
    this is fine by me i dont know how it ties into all of this though.
    It ties into the part where you said:

    your prophet left this earth right? so now you have to proove that Islam is the best way,
    Anyway, I am glad that you agree with my point.

    Also, posting a reversion story to show the effect that Sikhism has on one's soul isn't much help, since I could just as well read the hundreds of Islamic stories describing how Islam entered into people's hearts.

    http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...ours-here.html

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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    Also, posting a reversion story to show the effect that Sikhism has on one's soul isn't much help, since I could just as well read the hundreds of Islamic stories describing how Islam entered into people's hearts.
    Its not a reversion story cos she's still a muslim i dont think yo understood, its the proof of the power of gurshabad which is why you make the same error again here:

    It ties into the part where you said:
    basically you believe you can reason to the truth because koran is logical right?, i am saying you find the truth within when you practice naam and listen to gurbani, you see now how your scripture and mine both have entirely different functions?


    this has nothing to do with my comments i hope you see now,

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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    Greetings,

    Oh I see, sorry if I misunderstood.

    basically you believe you can reason to the truth because koran is logical right?, i am saying you find the truth within when you practice naam and listen to gurbani, you see now how your scripture and mine both have entirely different functions?
    I don't really want to start a debate about logic, since I believe there is already one taking place elsewhere; but putting logic aside, is not the function of both scriptures to guide mankind?

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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl View Post
    Moss,


    To learn about sikhism, I suggest looking up Sikhism at Wikipedia.

    Salam,
    Yes, but be carful as Wikipedia is not always that accurate.
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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    I don't really want to start a debate about logic, since I believe there is already one taking place elsewhere; but putting logic aside, is not the function of both scriptures to guide mankind?

    The SGGS is for spiritual enlightenment of mankind, the rehat maryada (http://www.sgpc.net/sikhism/sikh-dharma-manual.asp) is the code of conduct for mankind but only if youre baptised if youre not baptised then you opted not to live as god intended. When you become spiritually enlightened you automatically live a righteous life cos you have found something greater in gods creation to satisfy your hunger. The rehat helps man get disciplined and steers him/her away from manmat (path of the mind), also it is the gurus roop and we say their will never be another father like Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji so his roop which is khalsa is the best.

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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    Greetings,

    Thank you for the explanation .

    This [revelation, then,] is a means of insight for mankind, and a guidance and grace unto people who are endowed with inner certainty. [Qur'an 45:20]

    VERILY, this Qur'an shows the way to all that is most upright, and gives the believers who do good deeds the glad tiding that theirs will be a great reward; [Qur'an 17:9]

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    Thank you for the explanation .

    Good night:thankyou:
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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    what does Da'wah mean?

    i seen this sign on our mates house that said "duah when entering home" :-s is dat the same thing???
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    to bring the deen to others
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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    acha, my pm dont work cuz i aint got 50posts... pm me ur msn dhillon...
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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    duah is like ardas ,its not the same as dawaah which is parchar
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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin View Post


    I'm not in the best position to give specific advice because I'm not a scholar and I've never been in that position. However, Muslims are taught to be tolerant of other faiths.

    In my humble view, people are free to follow whatever they choose. I'm fortunate to be Muslim and man do I know it. :brother:


    Now this is a true musslman
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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    format_quote Originally Posted by ISDhillon View Post
    duah is like ardas ,its not the same as dawaah which is parchar
    I thought the doctor provided that?
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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    format_quote Originally Posted by Pukandi baba View Post
    I thought the doctor provided that?
    lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    format_quote Originally Posted by Moss View Post
    Assalamualaikum!

    Does anbody here have any tips as to how to give da'wah to a sikh?
    Or is anyone here a revert from Sikhism?
    Or does anyone know of any such contradictions or scientific errors in the Sikh teachings?
    Is there any good site for these questions if none of you know the answer?

    Basically i have a sikh friend who recently has taken a real disliking towards Islam when he found out according to Islam, only Muslims go to heaven and all other followers of other religions go to hell. He thinks all religions are right and basically they are all a different form of discipline, for example some people pray 5 times a day to discipline themselves and be good people, some people go to church, some people grow their hair long like sikhs. But basically all are different paths to God

    The basic argument i have agaisnt HIS views are, that Sikhism is contradicting itself big time. How can all religions be right, seeing as religions like Christianity Judaism and Islam all believe the whole purpose of their life revolves round the fact we will e going to heaven/hell, whilst religions like Sikhsim n Hinduism believe in reincarnation
    Christianity believes Jesus is Son of God, whilst Islam emphatically says the oppisite, saing it is blasphemous to say this
    Hinduism says there are lots of Gods and for example Judaism says theres one God. How can all these religions be right, its as if your saying God said one thing to one set of epople, and said something totall different to another set, ie saying he is lieing and that just can't be

    Anyway these are my views regarding his views, but i'm not too sure if these are the correct Sikh beliefs
    Please can someone comment or help me on this topic, or provide a decent site about this
    You make a very valid enquiry.

    The thing about Nanakian philosophy is that there is no requirement for religion when it comes to 'reaching' God.

    God is attainable by all and everyone regardless of which path they choose.

    So why was 'Sikkhism' forged into a religion?

    The fact of the matter is that Sikkhism never became a 'religion' until Guru Gobind Singh Ji made it so. He did it in order to solidify Nanakian philosophy inside a more concrete form because he realised that men are oh-so dependent on routine and form and other such physical manifestations in order to assist them to focus.

    The truth remains that God is attainable to anyone and everyone. But by forging Sikkhism into a religion with a set of routines, this would at the very least keep the more barbaric traits of society out of touch with those who chose to follow the system set in place by Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

    Therefore, religion is not a necessity to 'reach' God (God sees no man by religion: "na koi Hindu, na koi Musalmaan" in the eyes of God, says Nanak). But Sikkhism was created in an effort to stop people from worshipping stones and acting in a barbaric manner (to deviate from the idol worshipping of Hindus and the Kafir-hating Muslims).

    Guru Gobind Singh ji discussed this with Muslim emperor Mohammad Azam (third son of Aurangzeb), he told him there may be three gods. Emperor replied in anger "What three gods!"

    Guru ji smiled and said " Your father hindered the Hindus from worshipping Rama and instead asked them to utter the name of another God, Allah Pak or Khuda. He proclaimed that heaven is made for Muslims and hell for Hindus. Hindus on the other hand do not worship Khuda and claim that the Muslims will go to hell. I believe in a God whom neither of these acknowledge. He is the merciful father of all, and loves the Hindus and Muslims alike, and sends them to heaven or hell on the basis of their actions".

    My hope is that this now makes good sense.
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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    format_quote Originally Posted by ISDhillon View Post
    ...if youre not baptised then you opted not to live as god intended.
    No matter which religion you are from - Islam, Sikkhism, Christianity, etc - the idea that somehow there is a form that God intends is ridiculous...moreso in Sikkhism than perhaps in any other religion I am aware of.

    Why?

    Because this assumes that every soul that has lived before the time that religion X was initiated is somehow un-Godly.

    This makes no sense...especially not in Sikkhism.

    The fact that God has "intent" has no correlation with the Mool Mantra (the first passage of the Granth that outlines God's nature as being as further removed from human constructs than one could possibly imagine).

    God sees no man by his religion. God sees no man by the mortal words he uses to say his name. We all exist within God, and God exists within us.

    We are all one.

    Hence the opening line in the Granth being dedicated to one fundamental line from which everything else in the Granth (much like the universe itself) is spawned:

    Ek Onkar

    "There Is One"
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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    format_quote Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi View Post
    salaam

    in 6 form Allah (swt) showed d lite 2 1 of me sikh mateys n she converted

    bcos she sed dat guru nanak sed islamic tins lik such as Allah has no father, son or bros, also in a book var majh, guru nanak tlks bout d islamic prayers & how dey r d rite 1s, n she dint agree wit certain stuf in d religion, but neway lol she converted 2 islam

    i tink 1 can ask a sikh d position of guru nanak, cos he did "apparently" go 4 hajj, n he sed quite a lot of islamic stuff, anyway Allah (swt) knows best

    Hey there.

    You talk of conversion (as do some Sikkh members here), but Guru Nanak clearly stated that religions do not exist. They are delusions. Fabrications of mankind.

    So whether you 'are a Muslim' or 'are a Sikkh', it really does not matter.

    Essentially, when we 'defend' what we perceive to be 'our religion', it is merely a matter of pride...something that God has no use for.

    Everything must have some kind of a name to be identified. It just so happens that Guru Nanak's philosophy of secularism, democracy, acceptance, tolerance, humility and virtue has been labelled 'Sikkhism'...but those principles have no name. You might as well call is 'humanism' or something. Whatever float your boat kay:
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    QUOTE=max314;333037]No matter which religion you are from - Islam, Sikkhism, Christianity, etc - the idea that somehow there is a form that God intends is ridiculous...moreso in Sikkhism than perhaps in any other religion I am aware of.
    i disagree it is gods hukum that sikhs live according to the baptismal ceremony, this does not mean that god requires non-sikhs to be baptised, but for a sikh baptism is indeed a godly requirement but it must start as an ideal it must not be rigidly imposed - that i would agree with.

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    Re: Da'wah to a Sikh

    format_quote Originally Posted by max314 View Post
    You make a very valid enquiry.

    The thing about Nanakian philosophy is that there is no requirement for religion when it comes to 'reaching' God.

    God is attainable by all and everyone regardless of which path they choose.
    I agree with this, as it's the whole concept of Sikhism.

    Guru Gobind Singh Ji did the Amrit sanchar as advised by Waheguru/Allah/Ram, it matters not by what name one refers to God in, as in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji these names come-up over and over again.

    Guru Nanak Ji only did as was the hukam of the Almighty, nothing different.
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    Last Post: 09-13-2006, 08:54 PM

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