Hi everyone! I've never posted here before, but I'm looking to settle a debate with some friends of mine. Do Muslims believe that Christians and Jews worship the same God you do? My friends say that Allah is not the same God we Christians worship, I say that he is. Who do you think is right?
Ok thanks for answer, but don't you see the danger of sayings that we all worship the same God? Isn't this close to saying that all people worship the same God, but in different ways? For example, buddhists, hindus,sikhs etc etc. Isnt this watering the christian belief? One could ask , if muslims believe in the same God as christians so why should i stay with christian faith??? If praying in mosque is as allright as praying in church, isn't this crossing the line too much? We know well that those two faiths contradicts each other completely.If islam is true, our faith is wrong, and vice versa.Maybe sometimes it's better to show the differences than to show how we are all the same.
I understand your point. To be honest I'm so tired of the bickering and arguments over our faiths that I latch on to anything that doesn't require an argument.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Have you ever read the KJV in Arabic? Word god is not used in it once. Allah(swt) is called Allah(swt) in it. there are Arabic Christians and many of them do use the KJV in Arabic.
Christians did not use the word god until about the 14th Century. It is an interesting word with some interesting roots. How and why the English changed Allah(swt) to God(swt) I do not understand.
It seems that if Allah(swt) was good enough for Jesus(as) it should have remained good enough for English speakers.
My country was baptized in 966 and christians here used word "God" from the beggining, they didnt use "Allah" word .By the way why should i use arabic words for describing God, while i have good word in my own language
My country was baptized in 966 and christians here used word "God" from the beggining, they didnt use "Allah" word .By the way why should i use arabic words for describing God, while i have good word in my own language
"Allah" was also an Aramaic word. Jesus more than likely used it. Or the word "Mara" for Lord.
I agree that it doesn't really matter in the end.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Absolutely. The early Christian church used the word "Allah" for God long before Muslims did. The word "God" is a fairly recent addition to the lexicon. Of course by "recent" I mean in historical terms.
True the word God(swt) is a brand new baby in the world of lexicons. Then again English is a brand new language and is still in its formation state. the English alphabet in it's present form did not even exist until about 1600.
Actually the word Allah(swt) has existed since prior to the writing of the Jewish Torah. To understand that takes a little understanding of Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic. Allah(swt) writen in Hebrew Charecters would be transliterated into the English pronunciation Elahom or the Aramaic Ali or Eli
To a non semetic speaker to hear them pronounced by a native speaker, they would all sound very similar.
Yes, it was only with the advent of the English Language that Christianity stopped using Allah(swt) but it is still used by Christians in languages that are of mid easter origin.
as an outsider, i find it sad that a religion must validate its truth by proving another false.
I think in this instance it stems from that fact that we, Christians and Muslims, worship the same God. However we differ greatly on the messengers and certain aspects of the message. This obviously leads to each branch trying to prove to the other one that their particular messenger is wrong. I agree that it is sad, but it is sort of hard to avoid in this case.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
I think in this instance it stems from that fact that we, Christians and Muslims, worship the same God. However we differ greatly on the messengers and certain aspects of the message. This obviously leads to each branch trying to prove to the other one that their particular messenger is wrong. I agree that it is sad, but it is sort of hard to avoid in this case.
it is more than that - you both believe that your religion has a monopoly on truth so you both depend on the other one being wrong. sometimes i even wonder if ultimately co-existence will prove impossible.
it may not look this way from the inside, but that's how it appears from the outside.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
it is more than that - you both believe that your religion has a monopoly on truth so you both depend on the other one being wrong. sometimes i even wonder if ultimately co-existence will prove impossible.
it may not look this way from the inside, but that's how it appears from the outside.
The reality is if all of us practiced what we we believe, all disagreements would be very peacefull. But,we are human. i know that it is pointless to try to prove that another person is wrong. That is a waste of time. even if it were possible for me to prove anybody wrong, that does not prove I am right.
That you for reminding me that my goal is to prove Islam is the truth. I am limited just to express why I believe that to be true and if others accept what I say, Inshallah.
I can understand why a person wants to defend their own belief so strongly. I would have very little respect for any person who failed to defend what he/she believes to be true.
We all just need to know that when we start trying to show that the other guy is wrong we are just reinforcing the belief that we can not prove what we say.
I will be the first to admit, I do not always listen to my own words. but, I really do know that I should and do need to stop feeling I need to reply to every statement.
Just suppose for a moment that there is only one religion in the world and we all believe in the same God, would that be a recipe for peace and harmony?
Just suppose for a moment that there is only one religion in the world and we all believe in the same God, would that be a recipe for peace and harmony?
In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth
Eric
I believe their would be an improvement. but, unless human values become universal there would not be the change to the degree it should be.
People will always make their own choices. there would be peace and harmony if all people were willing to serve God(swt) but sadly some people do not make that choice. I think the main difference would be is that everybody would know when they were going against God(swt) and it would be easier for us all to accept the fact that they have signed their own doom and it was truly their own choice.
Remember. Cain and Abel believed in the same God(swt) and were of one religion.
Just suppose for a moment that there is only one religion in the world and we all believe in the same God, would that be a recipe for peace and harmony?
Difficult to accept from a personal perspective as my own religion (and I'm more than happy to take on those who claim it isn't one) does not believe in any God at all, at least in that sense. Buddhists could certainly co-exist with such universal believers in peace and harmony, though, given the opportunity.
Other than that, the answer is probably, and sadly, no. There have been more than enough Christian v. Christian and muslim v. muslim wars, even when there was no significant religious differences between those involved. However devout they may be everybody always thinks God is on their 'side', whatever may define a side, and not on that of the enemy.
Hi August i think if you are a christian so far as my knowledge i think you believe in Jesus(which is a prophet in islam pbuh) but if you want to embace islam than you are certainly welcome just ask a member a senior one not a limited best thing is ask Alpha dude cuz his teachings (copying stuff about islam) made someone a muslim already i think forgive me if not ask anyone you want if you want to become a muslim
Hi everyone! I've never posted here before, but I'm looking to settle a debate with some friends of mine. Do Muslims believe that Christians and Jews worship the same God you do? My friends say that Allah is not the same God we Christians worship, I say that he is. Who do you think is right?
hola,
i think this question is like asking (muslims and christians) "do we honour the same Jesus?" there was only one historic Jesus... so naturally we could not be talking about different people, but we believe very different things about how he was... so much so that from a certain perspective they might be considered completely separate people...
and then there is the question of whether one is really honouring Christ, or if they are actually committing blasphemy.
Do Muslims believe that Christians and Jews worship the same God you do? My friends say that Allah is not the same God we Christians worship, I say that he is. Who do you think is right?
When you ask a christian: "Who is God?", they will say: "It is Jesus".
When you ask a muslim: "Is Jesus God?", they will say: "NO he is not!"
Obviosly WE DON'T worship the same God, I mean WE muslims and TODAYS christians that as it is prooven, follow the Pauline christianity.
Now, if you look for what God did Jesus worshiped .. you will see that he is crying on the cross: "Elah Elah Lama Sabahtani" meaning "My God My God why have you forsaken me!".
I ask a Christian, does that sounds to you like: "JESUS JESUS why have you forsaken me?" does it?
I ask a Christian, does that sound to you like: "Yehova Yehova why have you forsaken me?" does it?
I ask a Christian, does that sound to you like: "AbBA AbBA why have you forsaken me?" does it?
the answer is NO, NO, NO!
The arabic and hebrew languages are sister languages and they are very similar. So, I ask a christian again, does it sound like :"ALLAH ALLAH?".
Please, try to say this ELAH ELAH and ALLAH ALLAH. Sound similar?
So, Jesus worshiped ALLAh, WE muslims worship ALLAH, and when you ask a christian whom do they worship, they will say: "JESUS"!
God forbide. In the Judgement day, there will be many who will say to Jesus: "Lord, Lord, doesn't we pray in your name, and in your name we cast out devils?". What Jesus will replay? he will say: "BE AWAY you adultres generation, I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU!".
Who is calling Jesus Lord? do muslims call Jesus lord? Do jews call Jesus Lord? NO! YOU call Jesus Lord, and because of that, because of worshiping him .. Jesus will cast you AWAY!
When you ask a christian: "Who is God?", they will say: "It is Jesus".
When you ask a muslim: "Is Jesus God?", they will say: "NO he is not!"
Obviosly WE DON'T worship the same God, I mean WE muslims and TODAYS christians that as it is prooven, follow the Pauline christianity.
Now, if you look for what God did Jesus worshiped .. you will see that he is crying on the cross: "Elah Elah Lama Sabahtani" meaning "My God My God why have you forsaken me!".
I ask a Christian, does that sounds to you like: "JESUS JESUS why have you forsaken me?" does it?
I ask a Christian, does that sound to you like: "Yehova Yehova why have you forsaken me?" does it?
I ask a Christian, does that sound to you like: "AbBA AbBA why have you forsaken me?" does it?
the answer is NO, NO, NO!
The arabic and hebrew languages are sister languages and they are very similar. So, I ask a christian again, does it sound like :"ALLAH ALLAH?".
Please, try to say this ELAH ELAH and ALLAH ALLAH. Sound similar?
So, Jesus worshiped ALLAh, WE muslims worship ALLAH, and when you ask a christian whom do they worship, they will say: "JESUS"!
God forbide. In the Judgement day, there will be many who will say to Jesus: "Lord, Lord, doesn't we pray in your name, and in your name we cast out devils?". What Jesus will replay? he will say: "BE AWAY you adultres generation, I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU!".
Who is calling Jesus Lord? do muslims call Jesus lord? Do jews call Jesus Lord? NO! YOU call Jesus Lord, and because of that, because of worshiping him .. Jesus will cast you AWAY!
Nice little sermon. However, when you ask a Christian Who they worship, they will say God. The God of Moses. I don't expect Muslims or Jews to accept the Christian understanding of Jesus Christ as God Among Us. Back to the original question though, Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same God. If we didn't worship the same God we wouldn't have much to say to each other in the context of faith. As this forum shows, Jews, Christians, and Muslims can talk, argue, criticize, threaten, etc, amongst each other for eternity if given the time. We can't change each other, but our beliefs are so closely linked that the smallest difference can lead to endless argument.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Hi everyone! I've never posted here before, but I'm looking to settle a debate with some friends of mine. Do Muslims believe that Christians and Jews worship the same God you do? My friends say that Allah is not the same God we Christians worship, I say that he is. Who do you think is right?
I agree with you August!!
The people of the Book worship the same God, the Most Exalted.
It is sad to hear that many Muslims confuse non-Muslims and say we have different God. But believe me and visit www.beconvinced.com and you will see that we worship the same Almighty God.
In fact arabic speaking Jews and Christians use the word Allah for God.
Allah means God in Arabic. The only difference is that the word God in English can be plural i.e you can say gods. But you can't say Allaahs (there is no plural form for the word Allah, it's a special word), you got me?
Muslims don't believe that Jesus is God, and Muslims don't believe in Trinity. Muslims do believe in the absolute monotheistic God, The Creator, The Sustainer, The Provider, The Exalted, The Most Beneficient, The One who has power of all things.
Among our people are some who only confuse and say that Islam forbids this Islam forbids that, God and Allah are different, we (i.e. Muslims) have a totally different view on life and the hereafter and etc.
Frankly, you would be amazed how much we have in common !!
We (Muslims, Jews and Christians) have so much things in common, and it would probably take dozens of years to summarize. Really.
The people of the Book worship the same God, the Most Exalted.
It is sad to hear that many Muslims confuse non-Muslims and say we have different God. But believe me and visit www.beconvinced.com and you will see that we worship the same Almighty God.
In fact arabic speaking Jews and Christians use the word Allah for God.
Allah means God in Arabic. The only difference is that the word God in English can be plural i.e you can say gods. But you can't say Allaahs (there is no plural form for the word Allah, it's a special word), you got me?
Muslims don't believe that Jesus is God, and Muslims don't believe in Trinity. Muslims do believe in the absolute monotheistic God, The Creator, The Sustainer, The Provider, The Exalted, The Most Beneficient, The One who has power of all things.
Among our people are some who only confuse and say that Islam forbids this Islam forbids that, God and Allah are different, we (i.e. Muslims) have a totally different view on life and the hereafter and etc.
Frankly, you would be amazed how much we have in common !!
We (Muslims, Jews and Christians) have so much things in common, and it would probably take dozens of years to summarize. Really.
And listen to Yusuf Estes, he's really good in comparing the thre great religions, and there is a video he explains this matter.
Regards
do the following 2 statements look the same?
" The people of the Book worship the same God"
" Muslims don't believe that Jesus is God, and Muslims don't believe in Trinity."
Christians worship a god who can walk around on earth, eat food, deficate, get hurt, can be arrested by his creation and can get killed to see how being human feels.
Jews and Muslims worship a God who is above all that!
you should take your own advice and read more of Br. Estes works esp. most recent ones
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