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    Are we eating Pork? (OP)


    Dr. M. Amjad Khan

    In nearly all the western countries including Europe, the primary choice for meat is pig. There are a lot of farms in these countries to breed this animal. In France alone, Pig Farms account for more than 42,000. Pigs have the highest quantity of fat in their body than any other animal. The following report by a medical practitioner reveals the extent to which pig fat might be unknowingly consumed by Muslims throughout the world.


    One of my friends, Shaikh Sahib works in Pegal, France, in the Department of Food. His work is to register all makes of goods, foods and medicines. Whenever any company is putting something in the market, its ingredients have to be approved by the Department of Food, France, and as Shaikh Sahib works in the Laboratory Quality Control, he knows about the ingredients. Many of these ingredients contain scientific names, but some have mathematical names, like E-904, E-141. At first, when Shaikh Sahib came across them, he was curious and asked his Department Incharge, who was a French, and he replied, "Just do your job. Don't ask questions." This aroused suspicion in Shaikh Sahib's mind and he started looking-up for them in the files. What he found was enough to astonish any Muslim in the world. In nearly all the western countries including Europe, the primary choice for meat is pig. There are a lot of farms in these countries to breed this animal. In France alone, Pig Farms account for more than 42,000. Pigs have the highest quantity of fat in their body than any other animal. But Europeans and Americans try to avoid fats. Thus, where does the fat from these pigs go? All pigs are cut in slaughter houses under the control of the department of food and it was the headache of the department of food to dispose of the fat removed from these pigs. Formally, it was burnt (about 60 years ago). Then they thought of utilizing it. First, they experimented it in the making of soaps and it worked. Then, a full network was formed and this fat was chemically processed, packed and marketed, while the other manufacturing companies bought it. In the meantime, all European States made it a rule that every Food, Medical and Personal Hygiene product should have the ingredients listed on it's cover. So, this ingredient was listed as pig fat. Those who are living in Europe for the past 40 years know about this. But, these products came under a ban by the Islamic countries at that time, which resulted in a trade deficit. Going back in time, if you are somehow related to South East Asia, you might know about the provoking factors of the 1857 Civil War. At that time, rifle bullets were made in Europe and transported to the sub-continent through the sea. It took months to reach there and the gunpowder in it was ruined due to the exposure to sea. Then, they got the idea of coating the bullets with fat, which was pig fat. The fat layer had to be scratched by teeth before using them. when the word spread, the soldiers, mostly Muslim and some vegetarians, refused to fight. This eventually lead to the Civil War. The Europeans recognized this fact, and instead of writing 'pig fat', they started writing 'animal fat'. All those living in Europe since 1970's know this fact. When the companies were asked by authorities from the Muslim countries, what animal fat is it, they were told it was cow and sheep fat. Here again a question arose, if it was cow or sheep fat, still it is haram to Muslims, as these animal were not slaughtered as per the Islamic law. Thus, they were again banned. Now, these multinational companies were again facing a severe drought of money as 75% of their income comes from selling their goods to Muslim Countries, and these earn billions of Dollars of profit from their exports to the Muslim world.

    Finally they decided to start a coding language, so that only their Departments of Food Administration should know what they are using, and the common man is left lurking in the dark. Thus, they started E-Codes. These E-Ingredients are present in a majority of products of multinational firms including, but not limited to - tooth paste, shaving cream, chewing gum, chocolate, sweets, biscuits, corn flakes, toffees, canned foods, fruit tins, and some medications like multi-vitamins. Since these goods are being used in all Muslim countries indiscrimately, our society is facing problems like shamelessness, rudeness and sexual promiscuity.


    So I request all Muslims to check the ingredients of the items of daily use and match it with the following list of E-Codes. If any of the ingredients listed below is found, try to avoid it, as it has got pig fat.=20
    E100, E110, E120, E 140, E141, E153, E210, E213, E214, E216, E234, E252, E270, E280, E325, E326, E327, E334, E335, E336, E337, E422, E430, E431, E432, E433, E434, E435, E436, E440, E470, E471, E472, E473, E474, E475, E476, E477, E478, E481, E482, E483, E491, E492, E493, E494, E495, E542, E570, E572, E631, E635, E904.


    It is the responsibility of each and every Muslim to follow the Islamic path and also keep his fellow followers informed of anything that he comes across. May Allah help us lead a halal life.

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGu
    And I love the idea that eating pork makes the Chinese swap wives.
    Then you'll love this this even more

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    There is even a "Wife Swapping club" LOL.....

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    format_quote Originally Posted by primitivefuture View Post
    Then you'll love this this even more

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/...ent_262427.htm

    There is even a "Wife Swapping club" LOL.....
    Do you know the pig is clean.ffended: The people making them unclean.If i will lock you up in a close space without to come and clean it ,how clean will become yourself? Every animal is clean.
    The fact is forbidden it must be related to the pig meat which everyone knows is fat. Another issue, in that times where they could keep the pig meat?without fridge everyone knows the pig meat, due to his fat, can be threw in few hours.I heard are over 40 degrees in the afternoon and only 10 degress in the night over there.
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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    no offense to the christian . they change their bible whenever they feel like it for example eating pork and many other example's (which i dont want to say).this my opinion. no offense my questions why do u have many different books of the bible and how come u dont follow everything that says in the bible. and if yall dont follow it ,how come u call ur self christian

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    I eat pork because i dont live my life by some book and i like to make my own decisions. I eat pork because it tastes good and there is nothing wrong with it. I eat pork because i also eat chicken, beef and squirrel. you should really try it islam dudes, you might just like it!

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    no i dont think so .thats why we left it for u ppl. lol
    peace

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    format_quote Originally Posted by primitivefuture View Post
    I dont get it.

    Jesus, being Jewish, never ate pork. Jews dont eat pork, neither do Muslims. Since Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are Semitic faiths, why is there a drastic change with Christains? Under what historical context did they end up eating pork?

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    Jesus was not a Jew, it is an established fact that all the Prophets and Messengers of God were sent as light bearers to humanity; they all came with the purpose of upholding the truth, maintaining justice and bringing man closer to his Lord. In accomplishing this task, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), as well as other Prophets of God, had to undergo a series of difficulties, hardships and torment to make people grasp and believe in the message brought to them. As members of the human family, we should show all forms of respect to Allah's Prophets and Messengers. We should in anyway project any of Allah's Prophets or Messengers in a bad way. Rather, we should follow their guidance and stick to their footsteps in order to achieve steadfastness and uprightness in our lives.


    Delving deeper in this issue,Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, President of the Fiqh Council of North America, stated in his Khutbah at the Islamic Society of Orange County (California, USA) on Shawwal 15, 1423/December 20, 2002:


    Almighty Allah says: [Say ye: we believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: we make no difference between one and another of them: and we bow to Allah (in Islam).] (Al-Baqarah 2: 136)

    [Behold! the angels said: ‘O Mary! Allah giveth Thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.] (Aal `Imran 3: 45)

    We believe in all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah. We respect and honor all of them without any discrimination. We believe that all Prophets preached the message of tawhid (monotheism) and all of them invited human beings to worship Allah alone and live a righteous life. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was not the only Prophet of God, but he was the last and final Prophet of God. Prophet Muhammad is not the founder of Islam; all Prophets were Muslims and they followed the way of Islam.


    It may be a surprise to many people in America that we Muslims also believe in Jesus. Although we do not celebrate Christmas, but we do respect and honor the person in whose name this festival is observed. We believe that Jesus was one of the great Prophets of God. In the Qur’an he is called ‘Isa. He is also known as al-Masih (the Christ) and Ibn Maryam (Son of Mary). He has many other beautiful names and titles in the Qur’an. He is a highly respected religious figure. Every Muslim honors him, respects him and loves him. His mother is also highly respected, loved and honored. There are hundreds of thousands of Muslim men all over the world who feel proud and blessed to have the name `Isa; as there are thousands of Muslim women who feel honored and blessed to be called Maryam.

    Unlike the Gospels or the New Testament in general, the subject matter of the Qur’an is not Jesus. The Qur’an speaks in detail about God, God’s will for human beings and about many of God’s Prophets and Messengers. Yet, all the basic facts about Jesus’ life are mentioned in the Qur’an. The Qur’an says in several places that Mary was a pious virgin who devoted her life in prayer and divine service. The angel of God one day visited her and gave her the good news of the birth of a blessed child. This was a miraculous birth as Mary was not a married woman. The virgin birth is clearly mentioned in the Qur’an and no recognized Muslim authority has ever disputed this claim. However, Muslim and Christian interpretations differ on the meaning of virgin birth. For Christians it was the sign of incarnation, the coming to earth of the Son of God. For Muslims it was a special miracle. For every Prophet a particular miracle was given according to the needs and challenges of his time. Since Jesus’ contemporaries used to deny the existence of spirit, they were shown the presence and the power of divine spirit by this unique birth. Jesus also performed many other miracles, such as raising of the dead to life, healing the blind and lepers, speaking about the hidden things. All these miracles show that material is not the only thing; there is something beyond the material that must be recognized. Jesus reminds us about the power of Divine Spirit. The Qur’an emphasizes that Jesus performed all his miracles only by the permission of God.

    The message of Jesus was basically the same as the message of other prophets of God. He was sent to invite people to the worship of One God, to do the righteous deed and be kind and loving to others. He reminded his people to pay attention not only to the letter of the laws but also to the spirit of the laws.

    The Qur’an says that Jesus was mistreated, denied and rejected by his people just as other prophets were also mistreated. Some of his contemporaries opposed him and tried to crucify him. It is also reported in the Christian Bible that Jesus prayed to God to save him from his enemies and remove the “cup of death” from him. (“If thou art willing, remove this cup from me; nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” Mark 14:36 and Luke 22:42) God accepted Jesus’ prayer and saved him from crucifixion or death on the cross. He was lifted up to heaven (Al-Nisa’: 157-158). Jesus is yet to fulfill his Messianic role. Muslims believe that Jesus will come back to earth before the end of time and will restore peace and order, struggle against the Anti-Christ (Dajjal) or demonic forces, and bring victory for truth and righteousness. The true followers of Jesus will prevail over those who deny him, misrepresent him and reject him.

    Muslims and Christians differ in their Theology (views about God) and their Christology (views about Christ), but they both believe in the same God and in the same Jesus. There should be better understanding and better relations among them.


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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    Bismillah

    Salaam,

    It is true that Swine flesh is forbidden to all; however, Paulianity Christianity has promoted the teaching that the Christians do not have to follow the law any more. The Jewish Bible is superceded by the New Testament (Christian Bible). It is confusing to the unlearned, solely because the debate between the Christians on how much of the law should be followed is still being debated. Even in the many Epistles of Paul, circumcision is negated. Circumcision of the heart is promoted. The laws that Isa ibn Maryam (as) kept ferventy suddenly are of no meaning because of the blood atonement that the Christians say he so readily provided. However, there is a deeper question that needs to be answered honestly, the law that Isa(as) kept is now abrogated, however, Paul comes and makes new laws in place of Isa(as). The Muslims are more Christian than the Christian themselves and we actually tread the footsteps of Isa (as).

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    thats wat iam sayin ... isnt weird to have more than one and changing where ever they feel like it or as they say god told them ...
    no one ever answer my questions im guessing they dont have answers. peace

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    Bismillah


    The point is: It's a pick and choose situation. You can follow the law, but it amounts to nothing with God they say because our good deeds are like filthy rags.

    There are indeed many Christian sects which dont eat swine and celebrate the sabbath on Saturday, etc. So some sects are more in line with the truth than others.

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    format_quote Originally Posted by mas View Post
    thats wat iam sayin ... isnt weird to have more than one and changing where ever they feel like it or as they say god told them ...
    no one ever answer my questions im guessing they dont have answers. peace
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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Isa Abdullah View Post
    Bismillah

    Salaam,

    It is true that Swine flesh is forbidden to all; however, Paulianity Christianity has promoted the teaching that the Christians do not have to follow the law any more. The Jewish Bible is superceded by the New Testament (Christian Bible). It is confusing to the unlearned, solely because the debate between the Christians on how much of the law should be followed is still being debated. Even in the many Epistles of Paul, circumcision is negated. Circumcision of the heart is promoted. The laws that Isa ibn Maryam (as) kept ferventy suddenly are of no meaning because of the blood atonement that the Christians say he so readily provided. However, there is a deeper question that needs to be answered honestly, the law that Isa(as) kept is now abrogated, however, Paul comes and makes new laws in place of Isa(as). The Muslims are more Christian than the Christian themselves and we actually tread the footsteps of Isa (as).
    Quoting from above:

    "The Muslims are more Christian than the Christian themselves and we actually tread the footsteps of Isa (as)."

    I can only add, I loved Christ(swt) as a Christian, but I became a true Christian as a Muslim. It is as a Muslim I truly got to know Christ.
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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    format_quote Originally Posted by woodworm View Post
    I eat pork because i dont live my life by some book and i like to make my own decisions. I eat pork because it tastes good and there is nothing wrong with it. I eat pork because i also eat chicken, beef and squirrel. you should really try it islam dudes, you might just like it!
    Lol... you make your own decisions??? Just be lucky that you were the 1 out of the 1,0000000000000000000000 sperm to get to the egg first, lol. Basically, you wouldn't have been here if God didn't want you too.

    Also, I'm glad you can make your own decisions, Keep up the decision making buddy

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Isa Abdullah View Post
    Bismillah


    The point is: It's a pick and choose situation. You can follow the law, but it amounts to nothing with God they say because our good deeds are like filthy rags.
    .
    What do you mean about good deeds being like filthy rags? Are you referring to the good deeds of Muslims or Christians?
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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    I didn't read the whole tread (got tired after six pages of people saying the thing )

    Anyway, if I'm not misinformed, Pork was forbidden in christianity to. But they didn't have the rule that when in emergy (when there is nothying else available) that it becomes allowed. Some where in the dark ages , when faced with facing plague and bad harvests, the food stocks were running low. And the invalidated the pork-ban. So that would be the history of why christianity alows pork. (hear-say, so can't provide source)

    There is a fish the Japanese eat. It has a sack of poison and the fish must be prepared very, very carefully, or the poison will kill you.
    The fish does not live in the oceans around the Middle East. As a result the fish is not banned in Islam. That fish is more dangerous than pork.
    Anything poisenous would be haram (forbidden). So that fish is banned to. However the difrence with pork is that pork isn't poiseness, there's nothing wrong with the meat itself, it's just full of parasite and diseases. When comparing the number of parasites found in pork with other animals, pork stands out alone with double even triple the average number of parasites. Next to that pigs are also the only animal that can pass on virusses that use receptors to enter the cell, since pig is the only animal that shares the same receptor on their cells as humans do. Pigs o, the other hand have difrent receptors, they also carry some bird-receptors and can thus easely transform a bird-disease into a human disease.
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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    format_quote Originally Posted by searchingsoul View Post
    What do you mean about good deeds being like filthy rags? Are you referring to the good deeds of Muslims or Christians?
    My reading of that is it would apply to all of mankind. God(swt) does not need our good deeds. The greatest and most any human can do is of no value to the needs of God(swt). It is only because of His love, that they are ever accepted.
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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    format_quote Originally Posted by searchingsoul View Post
    What do you mean about good deeds being like filthy rags? Are you referring to the good deeds of Muslims or Christians?
    Peace:

    I think the reference is to the following verse in the bible: Isaiah 64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; we all fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    format_quote Originally Posted by mas View Post
    no offense to the christian . they change their bible whenever they feel like it for example eating pork and many other example's (which i dont want to say).this my opinion. no offense my questions why do u have many different books of the bible and how come u dont follow everything that says in the bible. and if yall dont follow it ,how come u call ur self christian
    Well I can't wait to see you try and offend Christians. Look, this is a poor structured string of prejudices and bigoted statements. Do you really want to spend your time talking to people that way?

    Christians do not change their Bible whenever they feel like it. Jesus made it very clear that eating pork was acceptable. It is true that the modern Churches, as they decline, have become much more liberal and so verge on changing the Bible as they go along - but not all of them. There is only one Bible in each Church. Different Churches often have different views on what parts of the Bible ought to be included, but there is agreement on a lot of other things. There is some argument about translations admittedly. The Christian Churches have never been big on following the letter of the law because, as Jesus said, it is not as important as being good people.
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    Re: Eating pork is linked to Atheism.

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    Well I don't think I do argue for the sake of it. Look at all the threads I steer clear of. But you have to admit it is ironic that a Muslim ought to be telling an crypto-atheist about what the Bible really means.

    The context is clear and is clearly part of Jesus' larger message - the actually specifically letter of the law does not matter compared to what is meant and felt. See the Good Samaritan.
    What's a crypto-atheist?
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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

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    The point is: It's a pick and choose situation. You can follow the law, but it amounts to nothing with God they say because our good deeds are like filthy rags.

    There are indeed many Christian sects which dont eat swine and celebrate the sabbath on Saturday, etc. So some sects are more in line with the truth than others.
    Yes there are many Christians who do not eat meat..and the Sabbath is a day of rest.

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    Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

    format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGu
    Christians do not change their Bible whenever they feel like it. Jesus made it very clear that eating pork was acceptable. It is true that the modern Churches, as they decline, have become much more liberal and so verge on changing the Bible as they go along - but not all of them. There is only one Bible in each Church. Different Churches often have different views on what parts of the Bible ought to be included, but there is agreement on a lot of other things. There is some argument about translations admittedly. The Christian Churches have never been big on following the letter of the law because, as Jesus said, it is not as important as being good people.
    Do you have proof that Jesus made it clear to eat pork? Did he ever eat pork?

    The Bible was initiated by Paul, not Jesus. So it was Paul's direction.


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