Iran-Plane-Crash
Pilot and co-pilot of Iranian F-4 Phantom which crashed on Monday in the waters off Chahbahar Bay in the Gulf of Oman attained martyrdom.
According to the Army Public Relations Department, the jet fighter crashed at 12:45 p.m.local time (09:15 GMT) while maneuvering near the provincial city of Konarak on Monday
Now the dictionary defines martyr as:
. somebody put to death: somebody who chooses to die rather than deny a strongly held belief, especially a religious belief
Any more it just seams to me that Muslims want to call everyone who dies a martyr. If someone is going to get some Ice Cream and gets killed they are a Martyr?
I just don't get it.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
to me that Muslims want to call everyone who dies a martyr.
^ Even though this is undeniably true in alot of recent cases, please do not mix things up and think that this is supposed to be a common practice amongst Muslims. The most we can do is hope for a person to be a martyr and not just say "Oh he's definitely a martyr" - as is the case with the article you posted.
I too think it is something very serious. Many seam to use the term any time anyone is killed. How do you define a Martyr?
I can't find the hadith for it, however there are many different ways a Muslim can be maryred. The most obvious is to fight and die in a legitimate war. But it includes other things such as being killed while defending yourself or others in a non-war situation. Even drowning is martydom. There are a few others but I really can't remember them at the moment.
In Islam, martyrdom is one of the great ambitions of a true believer. This is because dying as a martyr entails abundant rewards designated for such persons in the Hereafter. `Abdullah Ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying, "Martyrs are forgiven their sins, except debts”. The phrase “except debts” also relates implicitly to usurpation of people’s rights, unjustified killing, and so on.
It suffices here to quote the Divine Promise for martyrs as stated in the following Qur’anic verses: (Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision. Jubilant (are they) because of that which Allah hath bestowed upon them of His bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not joined them but are left behind: that there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. They rejoice because of favor from Allah and kindness, and that Allah wasteth not the wage of the believers.) (Aal-`Imran 3: 169-71)
In his response to the question in point, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:
There are basically two broad categories of martyrs (shuhada’) in Islam, firstly, those who have died fighting for the cause of Allah (i.e., in jihad), and secondly, those who have died being succumbed to certain types of ailments or calamities, not of their own making. The second group, although not recognized and treated as martyrs in this world, will receive rewards of martyrs in the Hereafter. As for a list of people of this category, we find a number of traditions—although not contradictory—such as the following:
1) In a report jointly reported by Imam al-Bukhari and Muslim, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned five types of martyrs: “One who dies in a plague, one who dies of intestinal ailments, one who dies of drowning, one who dies under a collapsed building, and one who dies as a martyr in jihad.”
2) Imam Ahmad, Abu Dawud, an-Nasa’i, and others stated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “There are seven martyrs”. Having said this, he added the following to the list mentioned above: “…one who dies in a fire” and “…a woman who dies during child-birth.”
3) A third report states that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever dies while defending his own possessions is a martyr; whoever dies defending his own person is a martyr; whoever dies guarding his own faith is a martyr; whoever dies fighting in order to defend his own family is also a martyr.”
4) Finally, in a report by an-Nasa’i, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever fights to protect his rights and dies in the process is a martyr.”
Imam Ibn Hajar states, “we can conclude from these traditions that martyrs are of two types: Those who are recognized as martyrs in this world, and those who are recognized as martyrs only in the Hereafter. A martyr recognized in this world is one who has died fighting in the cause of Allah without having retreated from the battle. But those who are recognized only in the Hereafter are those upon whom the laws of martyrdom are not applicable in this world, although they merit rewards of martyrdom.”
According to Imam an-Nawawi, “The second category of martyrs will receive rewards of martyrdom, and yet unlike the martyrs of jihad, they will be bathed (before burial) and prayed over.”
From the above discussion, however, one is advised not to jump to the conclusion that everyone who dies in similar circumstances as mentioned above will automatically merit rewards of martyrdom. Such an inference is not valid, since Allah’s acceptance of a person ultimately depends on his or her state of faith or iman as well as upon the way he or she has responded to the will of Allah at the time of death. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “A person is raised up in the Hereafter in the state he has passed away.”
I can't find the hadith for it, however there are many different ways a Muslim can be maryred. The most obvious is to fight and die in a legitimate war. But it includes other things such as being killed while defending yourself or others in a non-war situation. Even drowning is martydom. There are a few others but I really can't remember them at the moment.
Even drowning is martydom? If i go for a swim, get cramps and drown, I'm a Martyr?
isn't it amazing, how anything that causes the believer suffering through no will of his own (suicide) is a door to heaven?
“The affair of the believer is wonderful! All affairs of his are good and that is for none except the believer. If he is blessed with prosperity he thanks (Allaah) and that is good for him. And when he is afflicted with an adversity he perseveres and that is also good for him.” (Muslim).
It is an amazing thing indeed to hand your affairs to God...
on the last day of Ramadan I was very ill... right after I made fajr prayer, I got very sick and didn't know how I was going to manage the day.. unfortunately I don't believe much in miracles in the 'super natural' sense as I tend to think all that we are already given speaks for itself.. so I went to recline, I can feel on the very of retching, all the acid just erroding me, plus a horrible migraine that I just wished I could go back in time and take something, as it so happened, I asked God to make the day easy for me, just over and over, I said pls let me complete this last day, make this day easy for me and pls forgive me if I have to break my fast to take some meds....then I felt so drowsy and drifted off.. woke up feeling better than ever.. there I was about to not complete the day and voila... and it really was nothing short of a miracle, as I get migraines that send me to the ER on occasion with partial loss of vision...
Anyhow moral of the story, is everything that causes you any minor injury expiates you and uplifts you and very much humanizes you should you make it through it, and if you don't then you get the ultimate prize martyrdom... I don't see how it can be a bad thing being a Muslim.. if you are happy and thankful you are blessed if you are miserable and patient you are blessed... and people wonder if Allah is merciful....
peace!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
oh by the way, you should read this... Never forget that God knows your intention
Suicide is not a new phenomenon. Al-Bukhaaree reported in his Saheeh on the authority of Sahl Ibn Sa‘d As-Saa‘idee ra that: The Prophet saws looked at a man who was fighting the unbelievers and he was of the wealthy Muslims who are in the least in need of idolators. The Prophet saws said: ‘Who ever wishes to know a man among the dwellers of Hell-fire should look at this man.’ So, a man followed him. The man kept on fighting until he was injured. He could not wait to die of that wound so he took the tip of his sword, put it in between his breasts and press his body against it until it pierced through his shoulders. Then, the Prophet saws said: “A man may be doing what people might perceive as a deed of people of Paradise while he is indeed, among the dwellers of Hell. And he may be doing what will seem in people’s perception a deed of dwellers of Hell, while in actual sense, he is among the dwellers of Paradise. Verily, all deeds are judged according to its ending.”
I know. That's one of the things I have never understood about religion.
The desire to be killed. Amazing.
I find it hard to believe that god wants us to be killed.
Why give us like if he just wants us to be killed?
Why does god need us to defend him?
I guess logic just doesn't make any sense.
that is a deliberate distortion if i ever saw one.
I did not see any such rubbish in the post you quoted from. all it meant was that had one a choice between dying like a sewer rat and dying during a good deed, one should not choose to die like a rat.
".... none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah."
Sahi Bukhari Volume 007, Book 070, Hadith Number 577.
that is a deliberate distortion if i ever saw one.
I did not see any such rubbish in the post you quoted from. all it meant was that had one a choice between dying like a sewer rat and dying during a good deed, one should not choose to die like a rat.
".... none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah."
Sahi Bukhari Volume 007, Book 070, Hadith Number 577.
I was having some nice PM's with someone. In one PM the told me what a beautiful religion Islam is. Later the told me he wanted to be a Martyr.
Not the first time I have heard such statements.
I don't see how rats got into, but I guess you understand.
I was having some nice PM's with someone. In one PM the told me what a beautiful religion Islam is. Later the told me he wanted to be a Martyr.
Not the first time I have heard such statements.
I don't see how rats got into, but I guess you understand.
But [mad]Back on topic.[/mad]
Are the Pilots martyrs?
how on earth you expect us to explain Shiite concept of martyrdom to you? why not go and ask one of them?
I don't see how rats got into, but I guess you understand.
indeed I do. for example If you came to my house with intent to rob and murder, It would be my duty to wring your neck before you can complete your task but if I let you do what you came to do, I died like a rat but if during my attempt to snap your robbing neck you kill me I'll hope to be granted status of a martyr.
how on earth you expect us to explain Shiite concept of martyrdom to you? why not go and ask one of them?
indeed I do. for example If you came to my house with intent to rob and murder, It would be my duty to wring your neck before you can complete your task but if I let you do what you came to do, I died like a rat but if during my attempt to snap your robbing neck you kill me I'll hope to be granted status of a martyr.
Christian martyrdom was more along the traditional definition of the word. To die rather than to repent one's faith. There were some radical Christians during the Roman Empire period who actively sought out crucifixion and death because they believed martyrdom to be the ultimate act of faith.
During the Council of Nicea, there were a large group of "Confessors" who were invited, people who had been tortured, blinded, disfigured, etc for not repenting their faith.
So martrydom is a universal concept in religion. The difference is what "rewards" are promised for doing so. As far as I know, martyrdom is not considered to be a one way ticket to Heaven in the Christian faith. Actually, I know that it isn't. From the Christian standpoint, it is easier to die than to live. It is the goal of a Christian to live and praise God, no matter what life throws at you.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
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