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    Salaam 3alekum.

    I have always wondered if the none muslims agreed upon that the quran is in a perfect state, free from any contradicts, accurate scientific proofs etc... since this forum has a very large number of none muslims so i though this is the place to ask..
    thanks alot.
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    hmm this been approved late? anyway i would like some answers, keep this as peacefull as possible , i just want to know if u think a yes and why, or a no and why thanks
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    If a non-muslim thought the Qu'ran was in a "perfect state" then they would probably not still be a non-muslim (maybe an aethiest though :P)
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    format_quote Originally Posted by minaz View Post
    If a non-muslim thought the Qu'ran was in a "perfect state" then they would probably not still be a non-muslim (maybe an aethiest though :P)
    salam bro, yep that is very rightly said, but i find it hard to understand because it is CLEARLY in a none contradicting state

    who ever gets a quran and reads it?? will agree... no rocket science or nothing
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    To be honest I have never came across a non-muslim who has read any part of the Qu'ran- infact I rarely hear Muslim friends ever randomly go "yeh played a bit of Playstation last night then read some of surah Yasin". The first Qu'ranic word given to the Prophet (PBUH) was infact "read". And I guess many of us prefer our, T.V.'s Laptops Palystations over reading.

    But I do hope this thread does find a non-muslim who has read something of the Qu'ran!
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    yea thats rightly said agian, if (most) of the none muslims actually decided to read bits of the quran they go online, and type in the quran, and prob end up in a website that present the quran wrongly(sooo many of these website nowadays)
    and they just give up....
    but inshallah this thread will encourage people to go out and read some of it
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    well, i've read it twice and didn't see any contradictions, but then, i wasn't searching for them either.
    as far as accurate scientific proofs etc, i don't expect a holy book to be a science book. as far as i'm concerned, science and religion are 2 different systems.
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    I agree with the first person who responded to this thread. Don't expect non-muslims to see the quran as anything more than folklore. To expect us to see it any other way is to set yourself up for disapointment. We see the Quran just as you see Homer's Odessy or the native american story of "how the eagle got its wings".
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis View Post
    I agree with the first person who responded to this thread. Don't expect non-muslims to see the quran as anything more than folklore. To expect us to see it any other way is to set yourself up for disapointment. We see the Quran just as you see Homer's Odessy or the native american story of "how the eagle got its wings".
    Not to go off topic or anything, but it's just amazing how the Qur'an takes the words right out from their mouths:

    {When Our Verses are recited to him, he says: "Tales of the men of old!"} [al-Qalam; 15]

    {And of them there are some who listen to you; but We have set veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they see every one of the Signs they will not believe therein; to the point that when they come to you to argue with you, the disbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the men of old."} [al-An'aam; 25]
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Ubaydullah View Post
    Not to go off topic or anything, but it's just amazing how the Qur'an takes the words right out from their mouths:

    {When Our Verses are recited to him, he says: "Tales of the men of old!"} [al-Qalam; 15]

    {And of them there are some who listen to you; but We have set veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they see every one of the Signs they will not believe therein; to the point that when they come to you to argue with you, the disbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the men of old."} [al-An'aam; 25]
    Sob7an Allah, I was going to quote similar verses but figured what a great waste of my time..



    1 الأنعام 6 25 وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ يَسْتَمِعُ إِلَيْكَ وَجَعَلْنَا عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَنْ يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِي آذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًا وَإِنْ يَرَوْا كُلَّ آيَةٍ لا يُؤْمِنُوا بِهَا حَتَّى إِذَا جَاءُوكَ يُجَادِلُونَكَ يَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِنْ هَذَا إِلا أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ
    2 الأنفال 8 31 وَإِذَا تُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتُنَا قَالُوا قَدْ سَمِعْنَا لَوْ نَشَاءُ لَقُلْنَا مِثْلَ هَذَا إِنْ هَذَا إِلا أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ
    3 النحل 16 24 وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ مَاذَا أَنْـزَلَ رَبُّكُمْ قَالُوا أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ
    4 المؤمنون 23 83 لَقَدْ وُعِدْنَا نَحْنُ وَآبَاؤُنَا هَذَا مِنْ قَبْلُ إِنْ هَذَا إِلا أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ
    5 الفرقان 25 5 وَقَالُوا أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ اكْتَتَبَهَا فَهِيَ تُمْلَى عَلَيْهِ بُكْرَةً وَأَصِيلا
    6 النمل 27 68 لَقَدْ وُعِدْنَا هَذَا نَحْنُ وَآبَاؤُنَا مِنْ قَبْلُ إِنْ هَذَا إِلا أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ
    7 الأحقاف 46 17 وَالَّذِي قَالَ لِوَالِدَيْهِ أُفٍّ لَكُمَا أَتَعِدَانِنِي أَنْ أُخْرَجَ وَقَدْ خَلَتِ الْقُرُونُ مِنْ قَبْلِي وَهُمَا يَسْتَغِيثَانِ اللَّهَ وَيْلَكَ آمِنْ إِنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ فَيَقُولُ مَا هَذَا إِلا أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ
    8 القلم 68 15 إِذَا تُتْلَى عَلَيْهِ آيَاتُنَا قَالَ أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ
    9 المطففين 83 13 إِذَا تُتْلَى عَلَيْهِ آيَاتُنَا قَالَ أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ

    6.25] Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the Signs, they will not believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee; they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the ancients."


    8: 31] When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say: "We have heard this (before): if we wished, we could say (words) like these: these are nothing but tales of the ancients."

    16:24] When it is said to them, "What is it that your Lord has revealed?" They say, "Tales of the ancients!"

    23:83] "Such things have been promised to us and to our fathers before! They are nothing but tales of the ancients!"

    25:5] And they say: "Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written: And they are dictated before him morning and evening."

    27:68] "It is true we were promised this, - we and our fathers before (us) - these are nothing but tales of the ancients."

    46:17] But (there is one) who says to his parents, "Fie on you! do ye hold out the promise to me that I shall be raised up, even though generations have passed before me (without rising again)?" And they two seek Allah's aid, (and rebuke the son): "Woe to thee! have Faith! for the promise of Allah is true." but he says, "This is nothing but tales of the ancients!"

    83:13] When Our Signs are rehearsed to him, he says, "Tales of the Ancients!"

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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    I have read the Qu'ran quite a few times in English and French. I tried reading it in Spanish but my spanish was a bit rusty, so it got complicated lol

    If by contradictions, you mean like one place says "X was 2 years old" and another says "X was 14 years old" then no, I do not see those in Qu'ran. But then again, I do not see those in many books.

    As for errors.. Denying evolution. And I think some historical errors (like the Exodus, Jews out of Egypt, etc.) So yeah, I see some errors!
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    You'll need some minimal understanding of science first in order to prove error in the Quran on a theological, textual and scientific levels.. as for the latter of historical errors of the Jews.. pls do elaborate, I am sure it will prove amusing!


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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    To the OP.. your thread is some what of an analogue to this one
    http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...afiroon-2.html

    perhaps therein might lie the answers you are looking for.. I thought Br. Ansar had done a very good job with it from a historical point of view.. that is if people would read it and forgo the usual platitudes!

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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamada View Post
    Salaam 3alekum.

    I have always wondered if the none muslims agreed upon that the quran is in a perfect state, free from any contradicts, accurate scientific proofs etc... since this forum has a very large number of none muslims so i though this is the place to ask..
    thanks alot.
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    no. of course there have been plenty of threads discussing the "miracle, science, problems ectt" in the quran.
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    The fact that a person is non-Muslim is verification the person either has not read the Qur'an or has read it, but does not believe it is the true word of Allaah(swt).

    I know several Christian Ministers who are well versed in the Qur'an. Yet, they choose to remain Christian, so I can only assume they do not believe it to be the word of Allaah(swt). One in particular has pointed out to me several times that parts of it disagree with the Bible and they called that a contradiction. I gave up any further theological discussions with her. we have no common agreement on points of reference.
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    Honestly, no. The quaran has also a lot of contradictions same like the bible. Muslims, neither Christians, of course like to hear it, and of course both claim to have the perfect book. Muslims just spend more time to refute them. There comes a good example to my mind: My father once told me: Never buy a car from a brand, who have huge sparepart shops, as they tend to wreck fast and spend more time in the repair shop than on the street. Well, in Islam, some people spend more time to refute than to pray. Get the similarity?

    Here are a few examples which look like they are contradictions. But I'm pretty sure, some will now become upset and curse me and immediately start to refute them:

    1. What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
      1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
      2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
      3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
      4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
      5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
    2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
      1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
      2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
      3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
      4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
    3. The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
      1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
      2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
      3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).
    4. Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
      1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
      2. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
      3. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
    5. Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
      1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
      2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
      3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
      4. When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
    6. Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
      1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
      2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).
    7. Is wine consumption good or bad?
      1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
      2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
      3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).


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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    you have answered with a cut and paste.. and we can only offer the same...
    all alleged contradictions answered here, for more protracted version visit previous link(s)

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    Ansar Al-'Adl
    REFUTATION OF THE ALLEGED INTERNAL CONTRADICTIONS IN THE QUR'AN

    These responses have all been uploaded onto the main site here:
    http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttal...contradictions

    Update
    I am now keeping a Table of Contents, so people can easily find their answers.

    Introduction (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    1. The Inheritance Laws in the Qur'an (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    2. The Number of Angels Speaking to Mary pbuh (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    3. On The Length of God's Days (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    4. The Number of Gardens in Paradise (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    5. The Number of Groups on the Day of Resurrection (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    6. Who Takes the Soul at the Time of Death (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    7. The Number of Wings on Angels (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    8. The Number of Days Taken to Create the Universe (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    9. Was Creation Quick or Slow? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    10. Which was Created first, the Heavens or the Earth? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    11. Were the Heavens and the Earth called together, or ripped apart for Creation? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    12. The Time Taken to Destroy the Aad (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    13. What Was Man Created From? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    14. Where is Allah? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    15. On The Origin of Calamity (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    16. The Mercy and Guidance of Allah (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    17. Will there be Inquiry in Paradise? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    18. Are Angels Protectors? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    19. Is Everything Devoutly Obedient to Allah? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    20. Does Allah forgive Shirk? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    21. Did Abraham commit Shirk? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    22. Worshipping the Same or a Different God? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    23. The Sequence of Events in the Children of Israel Worshipping the Calf (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    24. The Guilt of Aaron in the Children of Israel Worshipping the Calf (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    25. Was Jonah cast on the Desert Shore? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    26. The Reference to the Injeel and the Time of Moses (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    27. Concerning the Food for the Inhabitants of Hell (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    28. Forgiveness for Slander of Chaste Women (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    29. How the Disbelievers will recieve their record on Judgement Day (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    30. Can Angels Disobey? - The case of Iblis (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    31. Can Angels Disobey? - The case of Harut and Marut (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    32. Angel Gabriel and the 'Holy Spirit' (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    33. Confirming the Old Revelation or Substituting it (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    34. The Qur'an's Pure Arabic and the Presence of Foreign Words (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    35. The Qur'an being contained in the Earlier Revelations (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    36. Lot's Wife being called "An Old Woman" (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    37. The Response of Lot's Nation to His Call (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    38. Is the Punishment and Mercy of Allah Arbitrary? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    39. Did Abraham Smash The Idols? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    40. The Fate of Noah's Family (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)
    41. Was Noah Driven Out? (Alleged Contradictions in the Qur'an)

    The Above are responses to a list raised by Anti-Islamists:
    (We will be adding more responses as time progresses, insha'Allah)

    _____________________________________

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    Will Christians enter Paradise or go to Hell? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses later) and 3:85 say "No".


    God alone or also men? Clear or incomprehensible? The Qur'an is "clear Arabic speech." [16:103] Yet "NONE knows its interpretation, save only Allah." [3:7]. Actually, "men of understanding do grasp it." [3:7]


    When Commanded Pharaoh the Killing of the Sons? When Moses was a Prophet and spoke God's truth to Pharaoh [40:23-25] or when he was still an infant [20:38-39]?


    When/how are the fates determined? "The night of power is better than a thousand months. The angels and spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees." [97:3,4] "Lo! We revealed it on a blessed night." [44:3] To Muslims, the "Night of Power" is a blessed night on which fates are settled and on which everything relating to life, death, etc., which occurs throughout the year is decreed. It is said to be the night on which Allah's decrees for the year are brought down to the earthly plane. In other words, matters of creation are decreed a year at a time. Contradicting this, Sura 57:22 says, "No affliction befalls in the earth or in your selves, but it is in a Book before we create it." This means it is written in the Preserved Tablet, being totally fixed in Allah's knowledge before anyone was created. All of the above is contradicted by "And every man's fate We have fastened to his own neck." This says that man alone is responsible for what he does and what happens to him. [17:13]


    Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?


    Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.


    Will Jesus burn in Hell? Jesus is raised to Allah, [Sura 4:158], near stationed with him [Sura 3:45], worshiped by millions of Christians, yet Sura Sura 21:98 says, that all that are worshiped by men besides Allah will burn in Hell together with those who worship them.


    Jinns and men created for worship or for Hell? Created only to serve God [Sura 51:56], many of them made for Hell [Sura 7:179].


    Who is the father of Jesus? A more involved argument that is difficult to summarize in one sentence.


    Begetting and Self-sufficiency. A self-contradiction on account of confused terminology.


    Could Allah have a son? Sura 39:4 affirms and Sura 6:101 denies this possibility.


    Did Jesus Die already? Surah 3:144 states that all messengers died before Muhammad. But 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?).


    One Creator or many? The Qur'an uses twice the phrase that Allah is "the best of creators" [23:14, 37:125]. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is "the creator of all things" [e.g. 39:62]. There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.


    From among all nations or from Abraham's seed? Surah 29:27 states that all prophets came Abraham's seed. But 16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people.


    Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5].

    Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses.
    Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.

    Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?

    Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.

    How many mothers does a Muslim have? Only one [58:2, the woman who gave birth and none else], or two [4:23, including the mother who nursed him], or at least ten [33:6]?

    To Intercede or Not To Intercede? - That is the Question! The Qur'an makes contradictory statements whether on the Day of Judgment intercession will be possible. No: [2:122-123, 254; 6:51; 82:18-19; etc.]. Yes: [20:109; 34:23; 43:86; 53:26; etc.]. Each position can be further supported by ahadith.

    Does Allah command to do evil? No [7:28, 16:90]. Yes [17:16, ]. Two examples are also given, where Allah clearly commanded or permitted indecent actions [2:229-230, 2:187].

    Is the Torah like the Qur'an, or is it not? The Muslim claim of the corruption of the Bible leads to a contradiction between S. 2:24 and 17:88 on the one hand, and 28:49 and 46:10 on the other.

    Pharaoh's Magicians: Muslims or Rejectors of Faith? Did the Magicians of Pharaoh, Egyptians, become believers in the God of Moses [7:103-126; 20:56-73; S. 26:29-51] or did only Israelites believe in Moses [10:83]?

    Guiding to truth? "Say: 'God - He guides to the truth; and which is worthier to be followed ...?" [Sura 10:35] But how much is left over of this worthiness when we also read: "Allah leads astray whom he pleases, and he guides whom He pleases, ..." [Sura 14:4]. And how do we know in which of Allah's categories of pleasure we fall? How sure can a Muslim be that he is one of those guided right and not one of those led astray?

    Who suffers the consequence of sins? The Qur'an declares that everyone will be held responsible only for his own sins [S. 17:13-15, 53:38-42]. Yet, the Qur'an accuses the Jews of Muhammad's day for the sins committed some 2000 years earlier by other Jews, e.g. worshipping the Golden Calf idol.

    When Commanded Pharaoh the Killing of the Sons? When Moses was a Prophet and spoke God's truth to Pharaoh [40:23-25] or when he was still an infant [20:38-39]?

    When/how are the fates determined? "The night of power is better than a thousand months. The angels and spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees." [97:3,4] "Lo! We revealed it on a blessed night." [44:3] To Muslims, the "Night of Power" is a blessed night on which fates are settled and on which everything relating to life, death, etc., which occurs throughout the year is decreed. It is said to be the night on which Allah's decrees for the year are brought down to the earthly plane. In other words, matters of creation are decreed a year at a time. Contradicting this, Sura 57:22 says, "No affliction befalls in the earth or in your selves, but it is in a Book before we create it." This means it is written in the Preserved Tablet, being totally fixed in Allah's knowledge before anyone was created. All of the above is contradicted by "And every man's fate We have fastened to his own neck." This says that man alone is responsible for what he does and what happens to him. [17:13]

    Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?

    Good News of Painful Torture? Obviously, announcing torment and suffering to anyone is bad news, not good news. However, the Qur'an announces the good news of painful torment [3:21, 4:138, 9:3, 9:34, 31:7, 45:8, and 84:24].

    Jinns and men created for worship or for Hell? Created only to serve God [Sura 51:56], many of them made for Hell [Sura 7:179].

    Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.

    Will Allah disgrace Muslims? On the day of judgment Allah will not humiliate or disgrace the Prophet and those who believe in him [S. 66:8]. However, 19:71 says that everyone will enter Hell, and 3:192 states that whomsoever Allah sends to Hell, is disgraced thereby.

    Will Jesus burn in Hell? Jesus is raised to Allah, [Sura 4:158], near stationed with him [Sura 3:45], worshiped by millions of Christians, yet Sura 21:98 says, that all that are worshiped by men besides Allah will burn in Hell together with those who worship them.

    Is Jesus God or Not? In Sura 16:17, 20-21 and S. 25:3 we find a criterion to distinguish the true God from false gods. Yet, according to S. 3:49, 55, 4:157-158, 5:110, 6:2, and 38:71-72 Jesus satisfies the definition and should be considered true Deity.

    Can there be a son without a consort? Allah cannot have a son without a consort [Sura 6:101], but Mary can have a son without a consort because that is easy for Allah [Sura 19:21].
    Who is the father of Jesus? A more involved argument that is difficult to summarize in one sentence.

    Begetting and Self-sufficiency A self-contradiction on account of confused terminology.

    Could Allah have a son? Sura 39:4 affirms and Sura 6:101 denies this possibility.

    Did Jesus Die already? Sura 3:144 states that all messengers died before Muhammad. But 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?).

    One Creator or many? The Qur'an uses twice the phrase that Allah is "the best of creators" [23:14, 37:125]. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is "the creator of all things" [e.g. 39:62]. There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.

    From among all nations or from Abraham's seed? Sura 29:27 states that all prophets came Abraham's seed. But 16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people.
    Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5].

    Messengers were never sent to other than their own people? So it is claimed in Sura 14:4 and 30:47. However, the Bible and the Qur'an, and the Muslim traditions confirm that Jonah was sent to a different nation.

    Messengers Amongst the Jinns and Angels? Allah sent only men as messengers [Suras 12:109, 21:7-8, 25:20-21] but there seemingly are messengers from Jinns and Angels [6:130; 11:69,77; 22:75; etc., see article for details].

    Most of them have already been answered, and most are very silly. I'll get around to refuting them insha'Allah. Until then, I encourage other members to have a go at them.

    Good resources:
    http://www.understanding-islam.org/r...asp?sscatid=89
    http://www.answering-christianity.co...n/quranerr.htm
    http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/
    http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/
    http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

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    http://www.islamic.org.uk/internalc.html
    http://answermistakes.tripod.com/
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4796...adictions.html
    http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/f...arch/cont.html
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamada View Post
    Salaam 3alekum.

    I have always wondered if the none muslims agreed upon that the quran is in a perfect state, free from any contradicts, accurate scientific proofs etc... since this forum has a very large number of none muslims so i though this is the place to ask..
    thanks alot.
    We have had several discussions on this recently. 'Contradictions' (and there are some) can be explained away sometimes plausibly, and sometimes rather less so. It just depends who you ask which is which. The Qur'an includes no 'scientific proofs', accurate or otherwise. There are assorted claims that certain passages contain knowledge that could not have been known in 8th century Arabia (e.g. regarding 'embryology') and claims that some passages - usually totally out of context - contain knowledge that wasn't known anywhere until recently, such as relativity, etc. A few such claims remain interesting co-incidences but most simply do not stand up to serious examination. People see and believe what they want to see and believe - although that can be applied both ways, of course.:smile:
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    Re: Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

    A lot of reading, thank you. Guess what, I really read it.
    I really accept the excuse, that 'translations of the quaran' might be wrong or not always translated in the right context.
    But in that case, can people of other religions not also use this excuse?
    So which book is right? Orare they are all right or all false?
    I think, we will never find out.
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