Sikhism

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

Ya brother, I agree with U, we will be held accountable how we lived ur life. Here I differ with Islam, coz Islam grants highest place in paradise to ppls who killed innocents in the name of ALLAH, but gifts hellfire to those non- muslims who devoted their entire life in service to humankind.

Lets see whose beliefs are true, urs or mine. Best of luck mate.

I officially declare u lost

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

Lets see whether ALLAH is more concerned about himself or his beloved creations. We have some undoubtedly pious muslims who didnt fail to give away their lives to become martyrs for so called cause of ALLAH, on the other hand we have a Mushrik lady like Mother Teresa who devoted her entire life in serving those who were down trodden.

Personally I will love to live in company of Mother rather than pious muslims, hereafter. May ALLAH grant me what I wish, Ameen.

Mother teresa and the like has been discussed before Mother Teresa- Heaven or Hell?

I read somewhere that mother teresa would give money to poor and at the same time preach them christianity, almost blackmailing them. Dont know if its true. Have also heard that she would put money back into the churches in sri lanka or something. We dont knw her true intentions, and we dont know whether she died in state of islam or not, so we dont know if she is going to heaven or hell. plz read thread for more info

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

Ya brother, I agree with U, we will be held accountable how we lived ur life. Here I differ with Islam, coz Islam grants highest place in paradise to ppls who killed innocents in the name of ALLAH, but gifts hellfire to those non- muslims who devoted their entire life in service to humankind.

Lets see whose beliefs are true, urs or mine. Best of luck mate.

Where does islam say that muslims who kill innocent ppl will be in heaven, let alone the highest level???

i laff at that post, cuz he totally switched it round...
good job "mate."

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanif_Revert

It is sickening to see how religion can become so twisted and misinterpretted.

Such as Bhangra at weddings with alcohol.

Darhoo (Alchohol) is fermented in many Punjabi households. - And they call it tradition!!
Its sad that the real traditions are never kept. the deveil has his way of infiltrating all paths of good.

This once again results down to 'culture'. People stick to the panjabi culture. And try to merge it with Sikhi, as Gursikhs know drinking/dancing is not permitted in Sikhi. - More education is required here!

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanif_Revert

Another misinterpretation many people (including Sikh's themselves) have is when the Guru's are described as being 'One with God' or having 'the Divine Spirit' (Harjot) they assume this means that they were 'God'. Hence some worship them (Mutha Tek) bow to their image.

This is forbidden in Sikhi.

But they do bow to the Holy book (Guru Granth Sahib) as the Harjot passed into it after Guru Gobind Singh's death.

Correct me if im wrong

The first point you make is correct. Nowhere is Gurbani can you find a quote which would lead one to claim any of the Guru's were God - Neither did they ever claim to be so. They said they were servants of God, nothing more. - Guru Gobind Singh Ji, even declared anyone who referred to him as God, would perish in the couldrons (sp) of hell. (You'd think that alone would work as a deterrent)

But you'll find the illiterates still think images are of Guru's which is ridiculous

The Sikhs do bow to the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but here is why.....

Guru Granth Sahib does not narrate the life story of Guru Nanak, but each and every word is dedicated to the Glory of the Almighty God only. It is not a reproduction of earlier religions, but the Divine Word (Gurbani) came to the Gurus direct from God. Guru Nanak stated that it was not his philosophy, it was not his understanding and it was not his thinking, but the Word was coming to him direct from God and he was simply delivering His message to the world. As he confirms:

'O Lalo, as comes the Divine Word from Lord to me, So do I narrate it.' (Tilang Mohalla 1, p-722) 'I have said what Thou commandeth me to say.' (Wadhans Mohalla 1,p-566)
This was repeatedly confirmed and emphasized by all the Gurus in their Bani such as:

'From God springs ambrosial Gurbani The exalted Guru narrates and preaches the same to world.' (Majh Mohalla 3, p-125) 'This Word comes from Him, Who hath created the World.' (Mohalla 4, p-306) 'This Word that hath come from God, It dispelleth all woes and worries.' (Sorath Mohalla 5, p-628) 'I speak but the Will of the Lord, For, the Lord's devotee narrateth the Word of the Lord.'(Sorath Mohalla 5, p-629) 'Whatever the Lord hath instructed me, Hear, O my brother.' (Tilang Mohalla 9, p-727)


The tenth Master, Guru Gobind Singh established the same truth that it was God's Word that was being revealed through the Gurus:

'Whatever the Lord sayeth to me I say the same to the world.' (Guru Gobind Singh)
The Janamsakhi (biography) reveals that Guru Nanak many times said to his minstrel Mardana, "Mardana, start playing the rebec, Gurbani (Divine Word) is coming." And the Divine Word was then recorded. That Divine Word is GURBANI- Guru Granth Sahib.

The bowing is a form of respect to the divine word. Just like a Muslim would prostrate towards the Kaaba in Mecca at the time of prayer(point of focus).

Although the worship of God alone is done, and some silly people take it to the point of putting Guru Granth Sahib to 'Sleep' lol that's a farce too. - Luckily only a few people do that, due to the lack of knowledge on Sikhi.


Here is a little about it by someone who's not a Sikh....

Max Arthur Macauliffe, an English writer, delivered a speech in Punjabi language at Akal Bunga, Amritsar in 1899, the translation of which is:

"There is another point to the merit of the Sikh religion that the founders of other religions in this world never wrote even one line with their own hands. You might have heard that there was a very famous Greek philosopher called Pythagoras who had many followers, but he never left behind anything written by him from which we could have known about the principles of his sect. After him came the second Greek philosopher named Socrates who was born in 500 B.C. He became a very famous religious leader who claimed that he was receiving Divine instructions from God within himself, which persuaded him to do good and prohibited from doing any evil deeds. But he too never left anything behind written by him which could have shed light on his philosophy and its principles. Whatever we know about him, has only come through the writings of his follower, Plato. Besides there came Mahatma Buddh in India and he never wrote anything with his hands. After that came Christ who did not write anything himself. His teachings are only known through Bible. However the Sikh Gurus acted quite opposite to all these religious leaders that they themselves dictated their message of Truth and compiled Guru Granth Sahib. In that respect the Sikh religion is far ahead than others." (Translation Sri Guru Granth Sahib- pothi 1,p-gaga, by Bhai Vir Singh)

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

Ya brother, I agree with U, we will be held accountable how we lived ur life. Here I differ with Islam, coz Islam grants highest place in paradise to ppls who killed innocents in the name of ALLAH, but gifts hellfire to those non- muslims who devoted their entire life in service to humankind.

Lets see whose beliefs are true, urs or mine. Best of luck mate.

I don't believe that's true brother. I have knowledge of the Quran, but i think people use certain parts of a verse to benefit themselves.

format_quote Originally Posted by Mohsin

Mother teresa and the like has been discussed before Mother Teresa- Heaven or Hell?

I read somewhere that mother teresa would give money to poor and at the same time preach them christianity, almost blackmailing them. Dont know if its true. Have also heard that she would put money back into the churches in sri lanka or something. We dont knw her true intentions, and we dont know whether she died in state of islam or not, so we dont know if she is going to heaven or hell. plz read thread for more info

I know she was a missionary Christian, but she did a very good service to humanity. That alone would speak voulumes about her goodness. To me it isn't a big issue if she was a Hindu/Jew/Muslim. - You'll find many people wear the garbs of religious people but are not worth mentioning in the same breath as Mother Teresa because they do not live up to the religion they follow (Not talking about any religion in-particular btw)

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanif_Revert

Shall we talk about what happens after death?

Can you explain to us how your god descide's what creature or plant you will come back as?

What's all this 'Your God' business??

Only God know's what the process is, not the mortal!

The Sikhs believe that the Soul has to transmigrate from one body to another as part of an evolution process of the Soul. This evolution of the Soul will eventually results in a union with God upon the proper purification of the spirit. If one does not perform righteous deeds, ones soul will continue to cycle in reincarnation forever. A being who has performed good deeds and actions in their lives is transmigrated to a better and higher life form in the next life until the soul of the being becomes Godlike. From a human life form, if one performs the proper functions of a Gurmukh, the person can achieve salvation with God. One must cleanse the soul by reciting Naam, by remembrance of Waheguru and by following the path of Gurmat.

SGGS Page 306 Full Shabad
Those who meditate on You, O True Lord - they are very rare.

Those who worship and adore the One Lord in their conscious minds
- through their generosity, countless millions are fed.
All meditate on You, but they alone are accepted, who are pleasing to their Lord and Master.
Those who eat and dress without serving the True Lord die; after death,
those wretched lepers are consigned to reincarnation.
In His Sublime Presence, they talk sweetly, but behind His back, they exude poison from their mouths.
The evil-minded are consigned to separation from the Lord. 11