Discussion about the Qur'an and the Bible

Greetings

if you can live a sin free life doesn't that make you God?

Not necessarily, God is PERFECT in every aspect. This is something that can never be imagined from what we see in this lifetime.

Having a sin-free life is close to IMPOSSIBLE actually it is impossible. Allah made it for us so that we do sin, so that we may continue to fear Him and strive to become righteous.

Angels and Prophet's are what are considered to be sinless.

now your saying that a spanish book means different since well the Bible has been translated the same way... I don't get it please explain why you can put trust in a spanish book ( learning how to speak spanish but you can't trust the Bible.. ) and kjv words meant different back then.. the Bible changes versions to make it easier for the newer people to read... you should use a dictionary.. nowadays..

i am not trying to get off topic, but in whatever language when an original source has been translated, some information is lost and when it is translated again from the second translation into a third the information can become false. In the Quran we must recite it through Arabic, in which way it was relevated, and if needed the translation is present, but always the Arabic text is next to it since some arabic words may have multiple meanings and the translation can help the reader with most of the understanding.

I dont understand where u got the spanish statement from but anywayz in spanish god is dios 4 letters not 3 also i believe that the bible was in latin was it not?? im not sure

peace

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*

Greetings



Not necessarily, God is PERFECT in every aspect. This is something that can never be imagined from what we see in this lifetime.

Having a sin-free life is close to IMPOSSIBLE actually it is impossible. Allah made it for us so that we do sin, so that we may continue to fear Him and strive to become righteous.

Angels and Prophet's are what are considered to be sinless.



i am not trying to get off topic, but in whatever language when an original source has been translated, some information is lost and when it is translated again from the second translation into a third the information can become false. In the Quran we must recite it through Arabic, in which way it was relevated, and if needed the translation is present, but always the Arabic text is next to it since some arabic words may have multiple meanings and the translation can help the reader with most of the understanding.

I dont understand where u got the spanish statement from but anywayz in spanish god is dios 4 letters not 3 also i believe that the bible was in latin was it not?? im not sure

peace

well in english dios means God .... sooo yeah... to God there is only one language..

we also certainly wouldn't be learning spanish in schools if that were so... I never heard of it.. but if you were to try translating it off the computer then yes it does definately lose its meaning as I tried it once...
and don't you think the Bible has already been put to the test?

Greetings

well in english dios means God .... sooo yeah... to God there is only one language..

ummmm no, thats in spanish...
I think i would know, i take classes

and im sure there are many Languages that are created for a reason, and there is one true language in which all muslims are striving to learn, arabic..

Also, unlike english or any other languages the reason we refrain from using the word god is because it can be pluralized e.g. gods feminized e.g. godess
and it can be belittled or made superior e.g. using lowercase g instead of uppercase g

so that is why we us the word Allah, Al meaning The and Illah meaning God..together not just any god but THE GOD and nothing can be compared to Him.

peace

its not continuous tampering....they arent modifying whats already modified every translation comes from the original



so is Jesus a prophet? yes or no?

so your telling me that the BIBLE that as already been test so many times is corrupted with mistakes? don't you think that the archeologicsist already thought of that.. the ones who were against the Bible already read the first writes of the Bible... yes the Bible has been put to the test it has came out.

Zechariah 1:1

1 In the eighth month of the second year of Darius, the word of the LORD came to the prophet Zechariah son of Berekiah, the son of Iddo:


זכריה 1:1

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1 בַּחֹ֙דֶשׁ֙ הַשְּׁמִינִ֔י בִּשְׁנַ֥ת שְׁתַּ֖יִם לְדָרְיָ֑וֶשׁ הָיָ֣ה דְבַר־יְהוָ֗ה אֶל־זְכַרְיָה֙ בֶּן־בֶּ֣רֶכְיָ֔ה בֶּן־עִדֹּ֥ו הַנָּבִ֖יא לֵאמֹֽר׃


here are the sites
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0;&version=28; ---------arabic version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...r=1&version=31 --- english version

Greetings,

format_quote Originally Posted by PRISONERofJOY12

so your telling me that the BIBLE that as already been test so many times is corrupted with mistakes? don't you think that the archeologicsist already thought of that.. the ones who were against the Bible already read the first writes of the Bible... yes the Bible has been put to the test it has came out.

In the Bible there are indeed many mistakes:

You have for example at 2nd Samuel 10:18 a description of a war fought by David saying that he killed 7000 men and that he also killed 40000 men on horsebacks. In 1st Chronicles 19 it mentions the same episode saying that he killed 70000 men and the 40000 men were not on horsebacks, they were on foot. The point be what is the difference between the pedestrian and not is very fundamental.

Matthew 27:5 says that Judas Iscariot when he died he hung himself. Acts 1 says that no he jumped off a cliff head first. If you study Logic very soon you will come in your course to what they call an “undecidable propositions” or “meaningless sentences” or statements that can not be decided because there is no contextual false. One of the classic examples sited is something called the Effeminites paradox. This man was Cretan and he said “Cretans always lie”, now was that statement true or false? If he was a Cretan and he says that they always lie is he lying? If he is not lying then he is telling the truth then the Cretans don’t always lie ! You see it can not be true and it can not be false, the statement turns back on itself. It is like saying “What I am telling you right now is a lie” would you believe that or not? You see the statement has no true content. It can not be true and it can not be false. If it is true it is always false. If it is false it is also true.

Well in the Bible at Titus 1:12 the writer is Paul and he is talking about the Cretans. He says that one of their own men – a prophet - said “Cretans always lie” and he says that what this man says is true. It is a small mistake, but the point is that it is a human mistake, you don’t find that if you carefully examine the true content of that statement. It can not be a true statement.

This has been taken and modified from: http://www.islam101.com/religions/ch...ity/diffBQ.htm


The same site says the following:

The citation of the Bible very often takes the form of what is called in Argumentation: Special Pleading. Special Pleading is when implications are not consistent. When you take something and you say: Well that must mean this, but you don’t use the same argument to apply it to something else. To give an example, I have seen it in publications many times, stating that Jesus must have been God because he worked miracles. In other hand we know very well that there is no miracle ever worked by Jesus that is not also recorded in the Old Testament as worked by one of the prophets. You had amongst others, Elijah, who is reported to have cured the leper, raise the dead boy to life and to have multiplied bread for the people to eat - three of the most favourite miracles cited by Jesus. If the miracles worked by Jesus proved he was God, why don’t they prove Elijah was God ? This is Special Pleading, if you see what I mean. The implications are not consistent. If this implies that then in that case it must also imply the same thing. We have those who would say Jesus was God because he was taken up in the heaven. But the Bible also says the a certain Einah did not die he was taken up into the heaven by God. Whether it is true or not, who knows, but the point is if Jesus being taken up proves he is God, why does not it prove Einah was God? The same thing happened to him.

Peace.

Judas bought a field. Judas bought the field indirectly: The money he returned to the priest ( Matthew 27:3 ) was used to purchase the potter's field ( Matthew 27:7 ). fell headlong. Matthew 27:5 reports that Judas hanged himself. it appears that when the body finally fell. either because of decay or because someone cut it down, it was in a dcomposed condition and so broke open in the middle. Another possibility is that "hanged" in matthew 27:5 means " impaled " ( getting notes from Est 2:23 )and that the gruesome of results of judas's suicide are described here.

1:12
The qoutation is from the poet epimenides, a sixthcentury B.C. native of Crete, who was held in high eteem by the Cretans. He was credited with several predictions that wer fulfilled. For other uses of pagan sayings by Paul see Act 17:28; 1co 15:33 Notes---. in greek literature "to Cretanize" meant to lie.
1:13 the faith. note on 1timothy 3:9 ---The faith. Apostolic teaching ( see 4:1,6; 6:10, 12,21:2timothy 4:7 and note; Tit 1:13;cf. 1co 15:3, 2th 2:15 and notes).

unlike einah Jesus died and rosed again.. and then was taken up

format_quote Originally Posted by PRISONERofJOY12

would you rather be saved by works or by mercy?

How much do you know about Islam?

Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise." (i.e., None can enter Paradise through his good deeds.) They (the Prophet's companions) said, 'Not even you, O Allah's Apostle?' He said, "Not even myself, unless Allah bestows His favor and mercy on me." (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 70, Number 577)

The deeds are a means of earning Allah's favour and mercy.

What will happen to each of you when yall die?

http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_se...main_cat_id=18

Regards

you guys are based on doing more good deeds rather than bad deeds... yes it is understandible on why you might think so.. but agian.. it should matter.. if your god cares for you then he would forgive you.. I just read a story on this forum.. our God doesn't want you to stress out on following laws... yes He wants you to be good.. I mean He doesn't like sin of course so He kicked us out of the Garden of Eden... one of the definition in Gods eyes of us is we make mistakes.. by trying to do good deeds all the time you are just stressing out.... I remember one time I got an arguement with my dad about me moving a car or me going to gap... I chose gap ( wednesday night worship ) but I was so mad at my dad.. I just wanted to cry.. then I get this thought it says your moving to fast and to slow down... what does it mean? it simply means that I am trying to be the best Christian out.. trying to earn my way by stating attending church a lot.. does God have a role sheet? if you know what I mean?


it also doesnt matter which way you pray, god is not interested in a navigational compass, he is interested in your heart and mind. you should try talking to Him like I do it is quite relaxing..
and you guys beat yalls wifes... violence in your god..

format_quote Originally Posted by PRISONERofJOY12

it also doesnt matter which way you pray, god is not interested in a navigational compass, he is interested in your heart and mind. you should try talking to Him like I do it is quite relaxing..
and you guys beat yalls wifes... violence in your god..

It doesn't matter to God he doesn't need our prayer. The guidelines in prayer are meant for our benefit. And you also shouldn't think that because we have a said way of praying that we do not talk to God on a personal level.

As for beating wives. I don't believe that. adribu the arabic word in the qur'an has about 10 meanings. Hit, avoid, ignore, leave, isolate. There's hadiths who tell us not to hit our wives. So if you put one and one toghether.