By your definition are Christians, Mormons, Hindus Muslims ? They all submit to God.
Errrr... but we don't think they do. While christians and jews are closer to us in our faith (as they were given a book and a messenger by Allah, and they still hold onto part of this message), we still believe that they are not holding onto the true message. We believe that Islam is the message that all prophets came with, but only the laws were different for the people and their times. Over time, each of these messages were altered or changed some how. As the time came for the final message, Allah sent prophet Mohammed (SAW) with the final message the Qur'an. Allah vowed to keep the Qur'an safe and He promised that it would never be changed. To this day, not even one letter has been changed. Shakespeare's play written about 300 years ago have not even managed to stay untainted. We also believe that as the final prophet and messenger, Muhammad (SAW) was sent for all people. We believe that all the other Prophet's (peace be upon them all) were sent for their people, and were limited to one location. It is against our religion to praise one prophet above another, we love them all. I hope I haven't offended anyone.
I am not going to discuss in details in this thread the definition of God according to Christians.
They think that one God takes three different aspects (who dares limiting God?). That's their definition owing to which they are classified among the monotheist religions.
I forgot the Jews.
Anyway the definition of the word "muslim" as "someone who submits" holds for any person who submits to whatever deity.
But of course that word has other significations. Basically it means in Arabic "someone who submits", then it becomes "someone who submits to one God", then it becomes "someone who submits to Allah and the Prophet of Islam".
So I think "Muslim" should be limited to the followers of Islam out of clearness.
There is a reason for that.
At first Everyone is a Muslim.
Then a Muslim is a Person who Believe in One God.
If a Person has heard of Muhammad [PBUH] and the message he [pbuh] confirmed - and (that person) fails to accept him as a Prophet, then that person is not a Muslim. However, if a person has not heard of Muhammad [pbuh] but Believes in One God, then that person is a Muslim.
Ofcourse: As long as he is not commiting sins...to the best of his knowledge....
"What can my enemies do to me? My paradise is in my heart, it goes with me wherever I go. To put me in prison is to allow me to have a private devotion to Allah. To execute me is to give me martyrdom. And to kick me out of my land is for me to journey in the path of Allah." -Sheikh ibnu Taymiyyah
By your definition are Christians, Mormons, Hindus Muslims ? They all submit to God.
No as we don't believe they all truly submitt to God, if they did they would follow his way, which at present is Islam. Early Christians and Jews ie the first generation when Jesus PBUH and Moses PBUH and other Judaic Prophets PBUT were here, their followers were following unaltered messages, ie they werte either straight from the prophets of their time, or follwing as of yet unaltered parts of the OT, so they were submitting to God according to the way he wanted. However now that is no longer the case, so they are no longer submitting to God since they are following teachings other than God has prescribed
Make Dua for your Brothers and the Angels will make Dua for You!
Happy moments, Praise Allah
Difficult moments, Seek Allah
Quiet moments, Worship Allah
Painful moments, Trust Allah
Every moment, Thank Allah
If Allah brings you to it, He will bring you through it
You and other Muslims do not believe that people from other faiths truly submit to God. That is your opinion and it is not the opinion of those people.
As to the messages from God being "altered", that is also your opinion and not the Jews and Christians' opinion.
Proofs of those "alterations" have been asked for on every religion forum and, as far as I know, never provided.
Yes sorry i was meant to say this is of course our opinion, our belief
Anyway, proof has been provided, but people have chosen not to look at it
I'll quote Br. Azim from the word repititions discussion
Like Br. azim says you have to look. I believe in God to be someone absolutely perfect and infallible. I can't imagine him ever making any error at all. God can't contradict himself, he would know how to count, and also he would know simple scientific facts like the moon reflects the suns light, since God created all these things. If you look in the Bible the God there makes many of these kinds of errors, and i refuse to believe a God can do any of these.
You may argue scholars of the bible have mistranslated the teachings leading to these errors. We as muslims also often say the same thing, because translations do end up having errors. However the difference is us muslims can say look at the original language it was revealed in,the arabic text, and in it you will find no mistakes, since God himself sent that down in that way, whilst humans have made translations of these texts,and of course humans are prone to error. With the Bible you can no longer find it in its original form, its been through so many changes. I believe if God were to send down a final scripture to give us guidance, he'd make sure it wouldn't be tampered with, since no other guidance will follow after that. So why would he therefore allow such changes to take place and such errors to happen? See with the Qur'an it is still in its original form free of any mistakes, as God has given it to us as eternal guidance
Make Dua for your Brothers and the Angels will make Dua for You!
Happy moments, Praise Allah
Difficult moments, Seek Allah
Quiet moments, Worship Allah
Painful moments, Trust Allah
Every moment, Thank Allah
If Allah brings you to it, He will bring you through it
That rewriting is acknowledged by most Christians. They say it has been done under God's supervision, and they believe God is powerful enough not to have his Word corrupted.
When Jesus died on the cross...he tells us 'it is finished' his work was done here on earth, he was returning back from where he came...he also tells us that any prophet coming after him...
who preach a different message, is not from God.
This is why Christians do not except Momons, J.W. and all other Christians cults..because they do not preach what Jesus tells us and this goes for any other non-believing religions.
We must test every single spirit that comes to us with messages....saying they are from God... Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
James 2:19 (KJV)
Mt.7:15-16, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits…"
we have set rules how to test these spirits and anything not acceptable according to what Jesus said...is rejected.
That rewriting is acknowledged by most Christians. They say it has been done under God's supervision, and they believe God is powerful enough not to have his Word corrupted.
Ok fine i see your point, but that remains to me illogical and an insufficient reason, since there are still contradictions,scientific and maths errors in the Bible, and i refuse to believe these happened under God's supervision, so therefore i still think it's corrupted
Nicola
When Jesus died on the cross...he tells us 'it is finished' his work was done here on earth, he was returning back from where he came...he also tells us that any prophet coming after him...
who preach a different message, is not from God.
I didn't know this, where in the Bible does it say it i wana check it out?
But still, from what i see, Paul came after Jesus PBUH preaching something different as to what Jesus PBUH says in the Bible, and yet Christians still accept it from God
Make Dua for your Brothers and the Angels will make Dua for You!
Happy moments, Praise Allah
Difficult moments, Seek Allah
Quiet moments, Worship Allah
Painful moments, Trust Allah
Every moment, Thank Allah
If Allah brings you to it, He will bring you through it
the unitarian universalist religion is no more a christian religion then it is islam, hinduism, and so forth.
the UU's have no official doctrine.. basically it's a liberal religion, and ANYONE is welcome, and you can believe whatever you want. during their sermons, peole of different religions, some days priests, other times imams, and sikhs, baha'is, all of them, will come, and sicuss their religion.
it's a great place for people are confused about their religion or who have their own beliefs to go. it's also VERY great for people of two different religions to go together [i.e. a jew marrying a christian.. they can be UU's and believe what they want and not be oppressed or forced to convert.] it's also a place where people who have been opressed from their religions have joined.. lots of christians and muslims who are liberal go to UU congregations because they can still worship, but don't have to follow their books and laws word to word.
it's an interesting religion.. i really like it. and i wouldn't mind joining a UU congregation one day.
it's an interesting religion.. i really like it. and i wouldn't mind joining a UU congregation one day.
Neither would I.
From their website they sound like an excellent organization.
At a Unitarian Universalist worship service or meeting, you are likely to find members whose positions on faith may be derived from a variety of religious beliefs: Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, naturist, atheist, or agnostic. Members might tell you that they are religious humanists, liberal Christians, or world religionists.
All these people, and others who label their beliefs still differently, are faithful Unitarian Universalists committed to the practice of free religion. We worship, sing, play, study, teach, and work for social justice together as congregations-all the while remaining strong in our individual convictions.
as far as my knowledge UU christian, believe Jesus as a Rabbi(mortal man), believe in one God (non-trinitarian). They don't believe in the miracalouse conception, or any of the miracle e.t.c
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