Islam/Allahs who on mediumship/Clairvoyence

It is deemed evil, in Islam we believe in a parellell world that runs along side ours, it's called the world of the jinn, what people often think of as dead spirits or ghosts is actually jinn. A medium just uses the help of these jinns and has no real knowledge of the future.

Carl, why does mediumship come before any religion to you?

Jinns can be Muslim or non-Muslim. The non-Muslim jinns help the mediums, and mix their information with lies. Humans are forbidden from contacting the jinns, and a Muslim jinn will never allow themselves to be contacted in this manner.

This is what some jinns said when they heard the Qur'an: "Verily we have heard a marvellous Qur'an. It guides unto righteousness, so we believed in it. And we will never make partners with our Lord." (Qur'an 72:1-2)

These Muslim jinns don't let themselves be contacted by humans, and they obey their Lord, the same way human Muslims should. Wouldn't you like to have the same belief as the righteous jinns?

format_quote Originally Posted by Scorpian

Becuase it`s real,it has helped me alot,i`ve had prove that it`s real, and everybody deem it evil but it`s not,just like islam,it`s just what people think without actually going to it.
I`m lost now,dunno where to go or turn,or what to belive in now.

Nobody is saying it's not real.

Islam is the only religion, where we must acknowledge and believe in the existence of the jinns. They are mentioned many times in the Qur'an.

The disbelievers amongst the jinns try to misguide humans in various ways. Some of the information they tell humans is true, but not all, as they mix lies in as well.

They can also inform their human contact of personal details about a person. We all have a personal jinn assigned to us, and they get information from him as to what the person's details. Thus fortunetellers can learn about a complete stranger's past in vivid detail, right upto where he was born, parents names, what he did in his childhood etc. Because the jinn are able to traverse huge distances instantaneously, they can gather information about hidden things, lost articles, and unobserved events etc. Proof of this ability is found in the Qur'an (27:39-40).

We have to believe in the existence of the jinn, but they are a separate world to us, and we are not allowed to make contact with them, nor visit someone who contacts them on our behalf. Because, as you are feeling now, once you get involved with them, they get a hold on you, and you feel you can't do without them. Not only that, people believe the medium can tell the future, and have knowledge of the unseen, whereas knowledge of the unseen and the future belongs to Allah only.

format_quote Originally Posted by Scorpian

I`m lost now,dunno where to go or turn,or what to belive in now.

Allah has guided you thus far, please don't let it go for the sake of this, when you are required to believe in the jinn as part of your faith. You say it's more important than any religion to you because it's helped you a lot. What you perceive to be help, actually isn't. Religion (Islam) is going to help you much more than that. This mediumship is already preventing you from accepting what you know in your heart is the truth. That sounds like more of a hindrance than a help.

As to where to turn, turn to Allah, ask Him sincerely to open your heart to the truth, without hindrance. And think about things carefully. When you become a Muslim, you become as free from sin as the day you were born, with a completely clean slate. All prior sins are forgiven, and you start afresh. And when you become a Muslim, that doesn't mean that you believe that such things are unreal. On the contrary, we believe they are real, but do not get involved in them. The jinns live side by side with us, we can't see them, and we leave them in peace to live their own lives, as we would like to live. Surely that's the best way to live?

it is real, but i dont think (if any proof has come to you) that there was anything good in it. if you understood the proof of islam youll see it is truth and more powerful than these evil spirits.

what kind of proof do you have anyway?

greetings Scorpion,

i've just noticed your many posts with your assortment of questions. i'm not the most scholarly person here, maybe Hamza could assist you. i can give you a few quick answers that you could research.

regarding "mediums," my understanding is that you need to learn about the Jinn, that is "spirits."every person has an Angel and a Jinn assigned to them. when you die, the angles, who only do what Allah assigns them to do, return to what ever Allah has set for them. the Jinn, who have more free will, do what they want. the reason that a medium can tell you things that only you would know is as such: the human medium is the one in contact with a Jinn, which Jinn, Allah knows best. HIS Jinn can converse with your jinn. THAT is how he, the human medium, can trick into thinking that he is communicating with your father.

many of your questions can be answered here. you can download either audio or video:

http://www.bilalphilips.com/index.php

another of your questions, why doesn't Allah kill shaytan? this is addressed mostly in the Qur'an. here's a search-able one:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html

and one you can compare translations:

http://quran.com/

[7.1] Alif Lam Mim Suad.
[7.2] A Book revealed to you-- so let there be no straitness in your breast on account of it-- that you may warn thereby, and a reminder close to the believers.
[7.3] Follow what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow guardians besides Him, how little do you mind.
[7.4] And how many a town that We destroyed, so Our punishment came to it by night or while they slept at midday.
[7.5] Yet their cry, when Our punishment came to them, was nothing but that they said: Surely we were unjust.
[7.6] Most certainly then We will question those to whom (the apostles) were sent, and most certainly We will also question the apostles;
[7.7] Then most certainly We will relate to them with knowledge, and We were not absent.
[7.8] And the measuring out on that day will be just; then as for him whose measure (of good deeds) is heavy, those are they who shall be successful;
[7.9] And as for him whose measure (of good deeds) is light those are they who have made their souls suffer loss because they disbelieved in Our communications.
[7.10] And certainly We have established you in the earth and made in it means of livelihood for you; little it is that you give thanks.
[7.11] And certainly We created you, then We fashioned you, then We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam. So they did obeisance except Iblis; he was not of those who did obeisance.
[7.12] He said: What hindered you so that you did not make obeisance when I commanded you? He said: I am better than he: Thou hast created me of fire, while him Thou didst create of dust.
[7.13] He said: Then get forth from this (state), for it does not befit you to behave proudly therein. Go forth, therefore, surely you are of the abject ones.
[7.14] He said: Respite me until the day when they are raised up.
[7.15] He said: Surely you are of the respited ones.
[7.16] He said: As Thou hast caused me to remain disappointed I will certainly lie in wait for them in Thy straight path.
[7.17] Then I will certainly come to them from before them and from behind them, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and Thou shalt not find most of them thankful.
[7.18] He said: Get out of this (state), despised, driven away; whoever of them will follow you, I will certainly fill hell with you all.
[7.19] And (We said): O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the garden; so eat from where you desire, but do not go near this tree, for then you will be of the unjust.
[7.20] But the Shaitan made an evil suggestion to them that he might make manifest to them what had been hidden from them of their evil inclinations, and he said: Your Lord has not forbidden you this tree except that you may not both become two angels or that you may (not) become of the immortals.
[7.21] And he swore to them both: Most surely I am a sincere adviser to you.
[7.22] Then he caused them to fall by deceit; so when they tasted of the tree, their evil inclinations became manifest to them, and they both began to cover themselves with the leaves of the garden; and their Lord called out to them: Did I not forbid you both from that tree and say to you that the Shaitan is your open enemy?
[7.23] They said: Our Lord! We have been unjust to ourselves, and if Thou forgive us not, and have (not) mercy on us, we shall certainly be of the losers.
[7.24] He said: Get forth, some of you, the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time.
[7.25] He (also) said: Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die, and from it shall you be raised.
[7.26] O children of Adam! We have indeed sent down to you clothing to cover your shame, and (clothing) for beauty and clothing that guards (against evil), that is the best. This is of the communications of Allah that they may be mindful.
[7.27] O children of Adam! let not the Shaitan cause you to fall into affliction as he expelled your parents from the garden, pulling off from them both their clothing that he might show them their evil inclinations, he surely sees you, he as well as his host, from whence you cannot see them; surely We have made the Shaitans to be the guardians of those who do not believe.
[7.28] And when they commit an indecency they say: We found our fathers doing this, and Allah has enjoined it on us. Say: Surely Allah does not enjoin indecency; do you say against Allah what you do not know?
[7.29] Say: My Lord has enjoined justice, and set upright your faces at every time of prayer and call on Him, being sincere to Him in obedience; as He brought you forth in the beginning, so shall you also return.
[7.30] A part has He guided aright and (as for another) part, error is justly their due, surely they took the Shaitans for guardians beside Allah, and they think that they are followers of the right
[7.31] O children of Adam! attend to your embellishments at every time of prayer, and eat and drink and be not extravagant; surely He does not love the extravagant.
[7.32] Say: Who has prohibited the embellishment of Allah which He has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions? Say: These are for the believers in the life of this world, purely (theirs) on the resurrection day; thus do We make the communications clear for a people who know.

here's a search on shaitan:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kora...size=First+100

and one on Iblis[shaytan]:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kora...size=First+100

when Adam sinned, he repented. when Iblis sinned, he told Allah that HE was wrong, nowuthubillah. THAT is shaytans kufr. he thinks that he is smarter than God! but lisen to what he'll say on Judgment day:

[14.22] And the Shaitan shall say after the affair is decided: Surely Allah promised you the promise of truth, and I gave you promises, then failed to keep them to you, and I had no authority over you, except that I called you and you obeyed me, therefore do not blame me but blame yourselves: I cannot be your aider (now) nor can you be my aiders; surely I disbelieved in your associating me with Allah before; surely it is the unjust that shall have the painful punishment.

you see, mankind and Jinn have free will, Angels don't. if Allah wanted only obedient servants, He has them in the Angels. we are not Angels, we sin... BUT we have been taught to repent and return to Allah! THIS is the greatest act of worship! Islam teaches you this.

May Allah guide you to the amazing Truth!

format_quote Originally Posted by Scorpian

let me see if i`ve got this right,what u are saying is,you do belive in spirits

No, we don't believe in spirits.

We believe in jinns, which are invisible beings that live alongside us even though we can't see them.

On top of that, each of us has our own personal jinn that we can't see that stays with us our whole life, called Qareen. On their own, jinns have no particular connection with the dead.

format_quote Originally Posted by Scorpian

The way it has helped me,is that my dad passed when i was 17, and i`ve had messages from him to say he`s alive and ok,i know it to be him because he has told me personal things only he could know, i`ve also had messages from my grandads,nans,and one of my brothers all of who expect one nan,passed over before i was born.

However the mediums contact the non-Muslim jinns (Muslim jinns will never let themselves be contacted by humans). The non-Muslim jinns get personal info about the person you want to communicate with, say your father, from your father's qareen. That is how the medium will be able to give you startlingly accurate information that you know to be true about your father.

But you will believe that your father is sending you messages, when he isn't. It is the info they get from his qareen. Dead people are dead. They have no way of communicating with the living.

I can see where you're coming from, because you get great comfort from these messages you think you are getting from your loved ones. But your loved ones are in their graves, completely unaware of what is going on. They have no idea that you're getting any messages from them.

As I said before, then you begin to think that you can't do without these messages, until it prevents you from choosing the right path for your life and for yourself. Look what it's doing to you now. Also you believe that the medium is contacting the dead, when they are not, and that you believe that the medium somehow has knowledge of the unseen, when the only One that knows the unseen is Allah. It is disallowed because it involves deception (you think the dead are communicating with you), and there is no room for deception in Islam. Because it gets a hold on you. But mainly because it involves giving others the attributes of Allah, namely knowledge of the unseen, and that is a big sin known as shirk, and also disobeying His command, which is not to get involved in such things. Regardless of whether you think it's harmless, Allah has not allowed it, for all these reasons and more. So, if you become a Muslim, no you will not be able to go to a medium or spiritualist church.

You came into this world alone. You will depart this world alone. On the day of Judgement, you will stand up to answer for your deeds on your own, neither your parents brothers or sisters will help you, everyone will be too busy worrying about themselves. Allah says in the Qur'an: "But when the Shout comes. On the day when a man will flee from his brother. And his mother and his father. And his wife and his children. Every man that day will have enough concern to make him heedless (of others)." (Qur'an 80:33-37). So your relatives, for whom you are prepared to leave the guidance that Allah is showing you, even though they aren't telling you to, will not be able to help you on the Day of Judgement, indeed they won't even know what messages you're talking about, as they never sent you any, and also they'll be too worried about themselves. Think about it carefully.

In Islam, we respect our relatives and love them, and treat them the best we can while they're alive. After they die, we remember them and seek forgiveness for our Muslim relatives, but we leave them be. These are the best things we can do for them.

Now it's up to you, whether you want to take your life forward, start with a new and fresh beginning, and put yourself on the right path, obeying and worshipping your Creator without any associates in His Divinity, and to go to paradise, or whether you want to carry on as you are.

Take your time, read my posts again, digest them.

If you like everything you've seen about Islam so far, I wouldn't let my chance for guidance go for something like this. That would be a big loss for you indeed, both in this world and the hereafter.

Please keep reading and learning more about Islam, and don't give up now. You owe that much to yourself, at least.

format_quote Originally Posted by Scorpian

Thanks for the replies, but i totally disagree with you on the abot.If there`s no spirt and you just die like you said.Then how do we answer for what we`ve done in our lifes?
I do belive in spirits.And probably always will.I don`t belive we just die.And anyways if we just die,then why did allah make us? i mean it serves no purpose what so ever, to just be born suffer in life,then die.

And in regards to Jinn are they kinda like spirit guides
""Spirit guide" is a term used by the Western tradition of spiritualist churches to describe an entity that remains a disincarnate spirit in order to act as a guide or protector to a living incarnated human being.


P.S I found that stuff u said about my dad highly offensive.

We have a soul, not a spirit. The soul is what makes us alive. Allah puts this into us a few months before we are born, and extracts it from us at death, after which it goes to heaven or hell. On the Day of Judgement, the soul will be put back into us when we are all resurrected from our graves to answer for our deeds. Life is a test, and we get our marks on the Day of Judgement. We pass that test by obeying and worshipping Him, and following what his Prophet (peace be upon him) said.

The personal jinn are not guides. Our personal jinn (the one that stays with us our whole life, called qareen) is a servant of satan, and he tries to tempt us away from the right path,but we have been given free will to resist him. See these posts in the Satan vs Allah thread:

Satan Vs Allah
Satan Vs Allah

Sorry if I offended you with what I said, that wasn't my intention at all.

format_quote Originally Posted by Scorpian

Becuase it`s real,it has helped me alot,i`ve had prove that it`s real, and everybody deem it evil but it`s not,just like islam,it`s just what people think without actually going to it.
I`m lost now,dunno where to go or turn,or what to belive in now.

if you belive in allah, then you will recognize, realise, and acknowledge that it is Allah that is able to do everything. thats just the power of god, that no-one or no nothing can equal it. God/Allah is different from us and you really need to understand Him how He has "manifested" Himself. once that is accomplished, then you will realize why it is inconsistent to call others along side him.

when you say medium-ship, in which form do you mean? do you mean praying to the dead? can you be a little more specific? its just becuase simply in my experience of people that rely on a "medium" its usually associated with the above that i mentioned and i always deem that odd as these beings/objects dont even know that they are in existence so if this is the case, then how is it possible that they are protecting us?

at-least first get to know Allah first see things from His perspective and why He dislikes for us to take mediums.

it would be a shame for someone to turn away due to a misunderstanding.

Here the confusion comes with the many different meanings of spiritualism. In simplicity we believe we will live forever. Our soul is us and our body is just the tool to live in the physical world.The body does die but the soul does not die.

We do not believe the soul returns among the living, we do not believe people become ghosts. As for fortune telling and other things similar, we believe they are evil practices we are to to participate in.