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    Question I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

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    I want to read the Qur'an, (so I can conduct a comparrison to the Bible) but first I would appreicate it if anyone could please give me some pointers to get me started.

    Please teach me the basics. I have questions: How is the Qur'an organised?
    What is the best book/section to read to get started? I have already read the Troah/old testament (from the Bible).

    PS: What is your favourite Koranic verse?
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    That's great! the beauty of the Quran is indescribable. and the Quran in Arabic is awesome as it is the exact word of God. (The Quran was revealed in Arabic).

    In other languages, they are just translations of the Word of God but it's beauty still comes across.

    The Quran was revealed over 23 years but it's current arrangement is not in chronological order (order of Revelation). The Quran has 114 chapters, the ones at the beginning are long and the ones at the end are short.

    It would be best to start with the last Surahs (those in the end) as they are short (sometimes less than a page each) and were revealed earlier. the ones in the beginning have more islamic law (for Muslims) but the ones in the end are more appropriate for nonmuslims. They contain information about the end of the world and the Day of Judgment. Since they are short, you can read each in little time.

    For example, chapter 75:


    I swear by the Day of Resurrection

    And I swear by the reproaching soul [to the certainty of resurrection].

    Does man think that We will not assemble his bones?

    Yes. [We are] Able [even] to proportion his fingertips.

    But man desires to continue in sin.

    He asks, "When is the Day of Resurrection?"

    So when vision is dazzled

    And the moon darkens

    And the sun and the moon are joined,

    Man will say on that Day, "Where is the [place of] escape?"

    No! There is no refuge.

    To your Lord, that Day, is the [place of] permanence.

    Man will be informed that Day of what he sent ahead and kept back.

    Rather, man, against himself, will be a witness,

    Even if he presents his excuses.

    Move not your tongue with it, [O Muhammad], to hasten with recitation of the Qur'an.

    Indeed, upon Us is its collection [in your heart] and [to make possible] its recitation.

    So when We have recited it [through Gabriel], then follow its recitation.

    Then upon Us is its clarification [to you].

    No! But you love the immediate

    And leave the Hereafter.

    [Some] faces, that Day, will be radiant,

    Looking at their Lord.

    And [some] faces, that Day, will be contorted,

    Expecting that there will be done to them [something] backbreaking.

    No! When the soul has reached the collar bones

    And it is said, "Who will cure [him]?"

    And the dying one is certain that it is the [time of] separation

    And the leg is wound about the leg,

    To your Lord, that Day, will be the procession.

    And the disbeliever had not believed, nor had he prayed.

    But [instead], he denied and turned away.

    And then he went to his people, swaggering [in pride].

    Woe to you, and woe!

    Then woe to you, and woe!

    Does man think that he will be left neglected?

    Had he not been a sperm from semen emitted?

    Then he was a clinging clot, and [ Allah ] created [his form] and proportioned [him]

    And made of him two mates, the male and the female.

    Is not that [Creator] Able to give life to the dead?



    You can also read about Mary and Jesus in chapter 3 (verses 33 - 84), chapter 5 (verses that i posted before), and chapter 19. You can read the Quran online at http://www.quran.com

    As for favorite verse, it's so hard to choose. Each verse is so beautiful and amazing! indeed, each verse is a Sign, just as it is called "Ayah" , arabic for "Sign."

    try to listen to the recitation of the Quran sometime to see the beauty of the Quran. It is truly unique.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    Thank you! You were very helpful. I have decided to start my reading on Chapter 3:33
    I liked the last bit of that chapter (75).

    After reading 3:33 - 3:50 I noticed a verse that has confused me 3:45 [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].

    Why does the Quran refer to Jesus as the Messiah, if it later contradicts that Jesus is no more than a messenger? And is equal to Adam?
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    Ernest, I would suggest that you pick up a translation that you like and just get started reading.

    I have a blog where I am tracking my progress, and also putting any questions and comments as I have when I read. You can find it here if you are interested: http://yeshmayin.wordpress.com/ The comments that people have provided me are what makes the blog. There is another Christian who read through the Qur'an last year and his blog is here: http://christianreadsquran.wordpress.com/2011/01/ I would suggest that you look for the comments on his as well, because there are some Muslims who provided some good comments. There are times that the individual of that blog missed the mark in understanding about Islam, but the comments help to provide a more accurate balance.

    Why don't you make a thread on the forum or a blog where you can track your progress, ask questions as you read, or write notes about what you find since you want to compare the Qur'an with the Bible?
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    The Qur'an was not revealed in the same order of as it's written form. Verses were revealed in relation to different situations at different times, so in a chapter you find verses which speak of different things and of different times. However, that is not a problem nor will it cause you any difficulty in reading/understanding.

    I have a few favourite verses, 3 of them are 255, 285 and 286 of chapter 2.

    As for the poll, I have read verses here and there from the Bible, and did read a few pages of a small copy of the NT.

    If during your reading of the Qur'an you come to a difficulty, please post here and we'd all be happy to help you.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    What does 'messiah' mean to you? because I don't see any contradiction.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    by Ahmad Deedat

    The word CHRIST is derived from the Hebrew word Messiah, Arabic-Masih. Root word m-a-s-a-h-a, meaning to rub, to massage, to anoint. Priests and kings were anointed when being consecrated to their offices. But in its translated, Grecian form "CHRIST", it seems unique:befitting Jesus only. The Christian has a knack of transmuting baser metals into shining gold. What he is wont to do is to translate names into his own language like "cephas" to Peter, "messiah" to Christ. How does he do that? Very easily MESSIAH in Hebrew means anointed. The Greek word for anointed is "christos". Just lop off the 'os' from christos and you are left with christ. Now change the little 'c' to a capital 'C', and "hey, presto!" he has created a unique (?) name! Christos means ANOINTED, and anointed means APPOINTED in its religious connotation. Jesus (pbuh) was appointed (anointed) at his baptism by John the Baptist, as God's Messenger.Every Prophet of God is so anointed or appointed. The Holy Bible is replete with the "anointed" ones. In the original Hebrew - made a "messiah". Let us keep to the English translation - "anointed." Not only were prophets and priests and kings anointed (christos-ed), but borns, and cherubs and lamp-posts also.
    I am the God of Beth-el, where you ANOINTED a pillar.....
    Genesis 31:13
    If the priest that is ANOINTED do sin....
    Leviticus 4:3
    And Moses....ANOINTED the tabernacle and all things that was therein...
    Leviticus 8:10
    ...THE LORD SHALL....EXALT THE HORN OF HIS ANOINTED
    1 Samuel 2:10
    Thus saith the Lord to his ANOINTED to Cyrus....
    Isaiah 45:1
    Thou art the ANOINTED cherub....
    Ezekiel 28:14

    There are a hundred more such references in the Holy Bible. Everytime you come across the word ANOINTED in your English Bible, you can take it that that word would be christos in the Greek translations, and if you take the same liberty with the word that the Christians have done, you will have - Christ Cherub, Christ Cyrus, Christ Priest and Christ Pillar, etc.
    SOME TITLES EXCLUSIVE

    Although, every prophet of God is an ANOINTED one of God - a Messiah, the title "Masih" or "Messiah" or its translation "CHRIST" is exclusively reserved for Jesus, the son of Mary, in both Islam and in Christianity. This is not unusual in religion. There are certain other honorific title which may be applied to more than one prophet, yet being made exclusive to one by usage: like "Rasul-lullah", meaning Messenger of God, which title is applied to both Moses (19:51) and Jesus (61:6) in the Holy Quran. Yet "Rasul-lullah" has become synonymous only with the Prophet of Islam among Muslims.
    Every prophet is indeed a FRIEND OF GOD, but its Arabic equivalent "Kha- lil-lullah" is exclusively associated with Father Abraham. This does not mean that the others are not God's friends. "Kalimul-lah" (One who spoke with God) is never used for anyone other than Moses, yet we believe that God spoke with all His Messengers, including Jesus and Muhummed (May the Peace and Blessings of God be upon all His servants). Associating certain titles with certain personages only, does not make them exclusive or unique in any way. We honour all in varying terms.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    Check out this link http://ibnayyub.wordpress.com/2007/0...mani-complete/

    For an extensive read that would most likely answer the questions you had and will have. Also regarding my favourite verse from the Quran, it's hard to say as there are many. I remember reading one of the english translations and I copied down whatever I found to touch me at the heart, near the end I noticed I pretty much copied every verse..
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    Thank you! You were very helpful. I have decided to start my reading on Chapter 3:33
    I liked the last bit of that chapter (75).

    After reading 3:33 - 3:50 I noticed a verse that has confused me 3:45 [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].

    Why does the Quran refer to Jesus as the Messiah, if it later contradicts that Jesus is no more than a messenger? And is equal to Adam?
    In Islam, Jesus is viewed as the messiah. You may also be surprised to find that Islam believes Jesus will return again (just as you believe he is coming back).

    The problem that I think you are having, is because you believe that messiah = God.

    If you look back at the original belief about the messiah in Judaism, you will find that the messiah does not equal God. The Jewish moshiach is not God, and will not be God incarnate. I could speak more on this topic, but I don't want to confuse you. I am trying to make things simple.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    Ernest - Asalaamu Alaikum! Thank you for having an open mind, brother in humanity! When you read the Qur'aan for the first time, try to read the tafsir as well. Tafsir is essentially arabic for "Commentary." A free, abridged tafsir known as "Tafsir ibn Kathir" is easy to find online and is translated to English. Ibn Kathir does a great job of reconciling verses with hadith and explaining meanings of certain things that I never even thought to ponder upon.

    Yusuf Ali also has his own commentary which I find useful for a revert, because it is essentially "Islam 101." He gives commentary to an audience as if the audience has no idea what Islam is. So, that's another good commentary for starters.

    Hope this helps!
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    Peace with you

    as question was Muslims: Have you read the Bible (for whatever purpose) yes I have - to educate myself to understand other people whose believe different than I.

    I advice start to read Quran from end.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    Greetings Ernest,

    Thanks for your question which I can appreciate because approaching the Qur'an is very different to the Bible. I found the following information, which might be useful to you:


    When first reading the Qur'an, some people are initially confused by the seemingly random order. They may have expected to read a history book in chronological order, with chapters organized around certain themes or time periods. The Qur'an sometimes repeats particular points and recounts particular scenes in different ways throughout the different chapters. Historical accounts are interspersed with the lessons that can be learned from them. Exhortations to be kind and just are intertwined with reminders of the rewards of Paradise for those who are righteous.

    Major Themes of the Qur'an

    Muslims believe the Qur'an, together with the Hadith, contain all the knowledge and wisdom God gave us to live good lives on earth and to worship Him in the proper way: “And We have sent down to you the Book explaining all things — a guide, a mercy, and glad tidings” (Qur'an 16:89). Muslims believe that the Qur'an is the final revelation to human beings, and as such contains a universal message.

    Meccan and Madinian Chapters

    During the first ten years of his mission, Muhammad and his small group of followers faced the opposition of the powerful, polytheistic Meccan tribes. The verses of revelation that came to Muhammad during this time mainly focus on matters of faith: they stress the unity of God, denounce idol worship, remind us of the messages of previous prophets, and encourage the believers to persevere in patience and constancy. These chapters of the Qur'an are called the Meccan Chapters.

    After the Muslim community migrated to Madinah, the needs of the community changed. For the first time, the Muslims were able to organize a social system based in Islam. Thus, the focus of the revelation also began to shift. The chapters are longer, and they go into more detail about moral and ethical codes, criminal law, economic and state policy, and guidelines for relations with other communities. These chapters of the Qur'an are called the Madinian Chapters.

    The Qur'an is composed of 114 chapters of varying lengths. The longest is 286 verses long; the shortest is merely three verses. The Qur'an is also divided into thirty equal sections, called juz (Arabic for “division” or “fraction”). These divisions make it easier for a person to read equal portions during each night of the month of Ramadan.

    Overall Message

    Throughout the text, the Qur'an tells stories and parables about previous prophets and peoples and the lessons that can be learned from them. It provides clear instructions about what is permitted and forbidden in our daily lives. It gives encouragement, calling upon believers to put their faith and trust in Allah and to be patient. It describes the character of righteous people as opposed to evildoers. It warns of the punishment to come for those who reject faith and wreak havoc on earth and sends messages of glad tidings for “believers, who do deeds of righteousness.” It calls upon people to ponder on the natural world and to wonder about the signs of Allah's creation. Above all, the Qur'an heralds Allah's mercy and perfect justice.

    The Qur'an contains stories of past prophets, including many that have been mentioned in the Bible. Rather than focus on genealogies or long narratives, the Qur'an cites examples of righteousness and elaborates on the people's reactions to God's message. The fate of past nations is given as a warning to the believers not to make the same mistakes.

    Style

    There are various techniques used in the Qur'an to spark interest in the reader and drive points home. One common method is the use of parables. For example, when describing the great reward for people who spend money in charity, the Qur'an uses the corn seed as an example. Each seed of corn grows a plant with several ears, each of which has a hundred more grains (Qur'an 2:261).

    More than 200 passages of the Qur'an begin with the Arabic word Qul (Say!), a direct command to the Prophet Muhammad. What follows is usually a legal ruling, a reply to a question, or an explanation of some matter of faith. The word is used to grab attention and highlight the importance of what is to follow.

    Finally, the Qur'an uses repetition, one of the most powerful rhetorical techniques of the Arabic language. Repetition also allows the various themes of the Qur'an to wrap back to the common thread: that God is One and that in order for us to succeed in this life and the hereafter, we must follow His guidance. No topic is mentioned without relating it back to this central message.


    Another site with similar information:
    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/335/
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    Welcome to the forum! As others have said, read it from the end to the beginning. I still on occasion will pick it up at different chapters.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ernest View Post
    I want to read the Qur'an, (so I can conduct a comparrison to the Bible) but first I would appreicate it if anyone could please give me some pointers to get me started.
    I highly suggest that you be selective in the translation you read. I recommend in order of my preference translations by: Saheeh International, Maududi (Towards Understanding the Quran), Hammad (Gracious Quran), Yusuf Ali, and Marmaduke Pickthall.
    What is the best book/section to read to get started?
    I highly suggest starting with the last juz - Surahs 78 to end as these are more about beliefs.
    I have already read the Troah/old testament (from the Bible).
    I haven't read the whole Bible, just the NT except for Revelations.
    PS: What is your favourite Koranic verse?
    Surah 2:255 is known as Ayat Al Kursi and is my favorite singe verse, but Surah Al-Ikhlas (112) is my favorite surah with 4 short ayat.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    Wow! There are so much replies! Thank you all. I would like go give a special thanks to PouringRain for "Thank you--starting a Quran reading blog is a great idea! I am subscribing to yours.

    Thank you Kyle I will find that Quran commentary) and Muhammed for the basics I needed.
    Thank you hulk for the link.

    Thank you, MustafaMC and for your recommending some translations--if I find one of them online I will use it. Thank you and Imaduddin for sharing your favourite verses--I will look them up.

    Thank you to those who participated in the poll in conjuction with your replies--I appreciate that.
    God bless you all for your good deeds. Please pray for me -- this is a big goal I am undertaking.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    All Prophets were human beings and no more than that. However, some have special titles, for example Prophet Moses (Musa Alaihi asalaam - peace be upon him) was called "Kaleem Ullah" because he spoke directly to God. But a title doesn't change the fact that they were all just Prophets/Messengers and were human beings.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    It was recommended to me by a Muslim friend to read the Qu'ran from back to front. Would you all agree with that?
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    Ernest, I hope our comments were helpful to you.

    Regarding your poll a few thoughts came to mind. In reading the Bible again over 10 years ago a few things stuck out to me. Acts 1:21-22 lists the criteria that the disciples put forward to choose a replacement for Judas. I ask you, "Why were those requirements important?" The next consideration is the first chapter of Galatians, particularly 1:11-12. Is there evidence that Saul (aka Paul) ever met Jesus, or listened to him speak, or observed any of his miracles? Is there any evidence that he went to the disciples of Jesus, including Peter, John and James prior to 3 years after his vision? Where did Paul get the 'gospel' that he preached and defended so vehemently in Galatians 1:6-9? Paul claims to have recieved a revelation directly from Jesus in Galatians 1:12 or from God in 1:16 in the same manner that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) claimed to have received a message from God through the angel Jibrael (Gabriel). Perhaps, these 2 passages from the Bible don't speak to you in the same way, but your poll brought these things to my mind.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    format_quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    It was recommended to me by a Muslim friend to read the Qu'ran from back to front. Would you all agree with that?
    Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that also. I found it interesting and had never heard that suggestion before. I think it could be a good suggestion, as the surah near the end are shorter, read faster, etc. One of my favorite surah is near the end. I can see where someone starting out might get too bogged down with the front matter and give up too easily if not motivated.
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    Re: I want to start reading Qur'an--as a Christian.

    format_quote Originally Posted by PouringRain View Post
    I can see where someone starting out might get too bogged down with the front matter and give up too easily if not motivated.
    You are exactly correct. For example Surah Al-Baqara talks a good bit about inheritance laws. The latter surahs are more about beliefs. The Quran is structured very differently from western books with no obvious introduction, body and conclusion. Going in with a normal mindset may set a person up for confusion and little getting read. Another alternative is to use a Quran such as Yusuf Ali that has a good index and just look up topics one is interested in.
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