Today I was talking to a sister.. She was saying that it is fardh for men and women to have educations and jobs.. I can understand if it's fardh for a man, but for women? Can someone please give me some proofs of wether or not it's fardh for women?
And it something is fardh, then you are sinning if you don't do it right? So is a man sinning if he don't have an education, eventhough he still provides for his family?
i think the sisters talking about islamic education. learning about islam is really important for the muslims and i think she means that gaining knowledge about islam is wajib (compulsary) for the muslim to do that.
it is the mans duty in the house to provide the food, clothing etc. for the family members and being the protector of the household. it is not fardh on the women to do this.
but it is important for the woman and man to gain 'islamic knowledge' which is the most important, this is because gaining knowledge is what builds up iman and strong iman is needed to become a mu'min (a believer.)
wa Allaah u a'lam. (and Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala knows best.)
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Barak Allâhu fiik for your reply akhee.. But that wasn't what she meant.. She meant like college education, so you can get a job and a career.. Not islamic education, 'cause ofcourse that's fardh for all of us to learn about our deen..
So.. What about just a "normal" education?
that isn't fardh on both people but its approved of alot in islam so its easier for them to get their income (money coming in.)
its approved of even more for the husband because its fardh on him to provide for the family, therefore its really liked alot insha Allaah.
but gaining the worldly knowledge isn't fardh, for both husband and wife. if it was fardh for everyone - some people might not have been able to afford it and therefore getting sin, but islam is an easy religion;
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his beloved family) said, "Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded; and gain strength by worshipping in the mornings, the nights." (Bukhari).
so because islam is a easy religion, it isn't fardh to gain the knowledge as long as the husband is able to bring in enough money into the household to support the family. however it is still strongly liked if they do gain knowledge because it will make it easier for the family insha Allaah, and us muslims are in need of people who have higher classed jobs such as doctors, engineers etc. to bring help for the muslim ummah insha Allaah.
wa Allaah u a'lam. (and Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala knows best.)
I personally think we should all strive to get a good education be we male, female or Minaz.
lol. yes br muezzin I agree. I would like to add, that once we have gained some knowledge....we should also pass it on.Would Allah not want us to do that? Im sure He would!:coolsis:
Allah has given BOTH men and women the opportunity to help themselves in this dunya (free will).
By the way brothers and sisters, I have heard that the word 3ilm (knowledge) is mentioned in the Quraan many times. lakin....Allahu 3alam!
Allah ma3akum
Last edited by Ameeratul Layl; 12-10-2005 at 07:31 PM.
lol. yes br muezzin I agree. I would like to add, that once we have gained some knowledge....we should also pass it on.Would Allah not want us to do that? Im sure He would!:coolsis:
Allah has given BOTH men and women the opportunity to help themselves in this dunya (free will).
By the way brothers and sisters, I have heard that the word 3ilm (knowledge) is mentioned in the Quraan many times. lakin....Allahu 3alam!
Allah ma3akum
i agree sis Ameeratul layl .....both men and women shd be given an oppurtunity in this wrld to help them selves and educate themselves!
and i personally think that a woman shd stand on her feet ....! have a good education!
ma'salamah
Last edited by Sanobar; 12-11-2005 at 01:47 PM.
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I read this thread and I had to laugh..lol...here someone is saying that it's fardh for a woman to get an education (non Islamic) and I remember some people saying that it's Haram for a woman to get an education....weird isn't it? they even went to the length to say that it is haram for a woman to have an education because, (as they say) it will cause her to go against her husband and disobey him....really, it was ridiculous.
But yes I agree with most everyone who posted here, getting an education is not fardh, but very desirable especially if it can be done in a situation where nothing haram is included insha'allah
if its islamic education..i'd say go for it...then the husband and wife know each others rights...and they argue less.......and then again anyone who sets out to seek knowledge is in the path of Allah untill they return home.......and other eduction aswell is important...because islam we need doctoors and people like that...so....its not a faradh or haraam...just persons personal choice..........
I believe that a woman can get an education but should'nt have a job.
They say in the quran,Men are maintainers and providers for woman not woman are maintainers and providers for the men.
I have a book and it talks about the dangers of woman in the work place
I think that a woman should stay home and care 4 her children but thats just my opinion!!!
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Assalamu'alaikum, we cannot say that a woman 'shouldn't' have a job, if the woman feels like she wants to work, and she has permission from her husband, and the working conditions are totally islamic with no harm for her, then there is no problem in this insha'allah, and the Ulama have all agreed on this. The income of the woman, will be, after all hers only. However if she works to help her husband when she sees him in a difficult situation and uses the money she earns to help her husband, then she is doing a very wonderful deed indeed...and will gain many rewards from it insha'allah. Because everything that a woman gives from her own wealth towards her husband is co nsidered a sadaqah from her to him . Therefor I really dont think we shouldn't say that woman "shouldn't " work......there are exceptions insha'allah
Assalamu'alaikum, we cannot say that a woman 'shouldn't' have a job, if the woman feels like she wants to work, and she has permission from her husband, and the working conditions are totally islamic with no harm for her, then there is no problem in this insha'allah, and the Ulama have all agreed on this. The income of the woman, will be, after all hers only. However if she works to help her husband when she sees him in a difficult situation and uses the money she earns to help her husband, then she is doing a very wonderful deed indeed...and will gain many rewards from it insha'allah. Because everything that a woman gives from her own wealth towards her husband is co nsidered a sadaqah from her to him . Therefor I really dont think we shouldn't say that woman "shouldn't " work......there are exceptions insha'allah
Wassalam
Yeah,well its my opinion that a woman should'nt have a job
Its just my understanding
I feel tht a woman should'nt have a job unless she goes to saudi to work and this is jus my opinion:sister:
SaLaMz
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of course everyone deserves an education....i think women and men should both have equal priveliges to education no matter what standard .......
hey.
this is exactly what islam says, but what we're trying to point out here is that knowledge is not forced upon no-one, but it is strongly liked.
if a woman has a job - she can keep all the money because it is her husbands duty to bring in the income. so even if she is richer than him - she can keep all the money herself whereas it is the husbands duty to provide for the family.
The woman’s role which befits her and is appropriate for her is for her to stay in her house and take care of the house and look after her husband and children, if Allaah blesses them with children. This is important work that is not insignificant. With regard to working outside the house, this does not suit women’s nature in principle, but if she needs to do that then she may do the kind of job that is most closely suited to her nature, whilst adhering to Allaah’s commands to cover herself, lower her gaze and not mix with men in a haraam way, etc.
Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
It is well known that for a woman to go out and work in men's fields leads to blameworthy mixing and her being alone with them. This is a very serious matter that leads to bitter consequences. It goes against the texts of Islam that command women to stay in their houses and do the work that suits the nature that Allaah has given them, which keeps them away from mixing with men.
The sound evidence clearly indicates that it is forbidden to mix with non-mahram women and to look at them, and it forbids the means that lead to falling into that which Allaah has forbidden. There is a great deal of clear evidence that definitively shows that the mixing which leads to bad consequences is forbidden. For example, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As‑Salaah (Iqamat‑as‑Salaah), and give Zakaah and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah wishes only to remove Ar‑Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet), and to purify you with a thorough purification.
And remember (O you the members of the Prophet’s family, the Graces of your Lord), that which is recited in your houses of the Verses of Allaah and Al‑Hikmah (i.e. Prophet’s Sunnah legal ways, so give your thanks to Allaah and glorify His Praises for this Qur’aan and the Sunnah). Verily, Allaah is Ever Most Courteous, Well‑Acquainted with all things”
The woman’s role which befits her and is appropriate for her is for her to stay in her house and take care of the house and look after her husband and children, if Allaah blesses them with children. This is important work that is not insignificant. With regard to working outside the house, this does not suit women’s nature in principle, but if she needs to do that then she may do the kind of job that is most closely suited to her nature, whilst adhering to Allaah’s commands to cover herself, lower her gaze and not mix with men in a haraam way, etc.
Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
It is well known that for a woman to go out and work in men's fields leads to blameworthy mixing and her being alone with them. This is a very serious matter that leads to bitter consequences. It goes against the texts of Islam that command women to stay in their houses and do the work that suits the nature that Allaah has given them, which keeps them away from mixing with men.
The sound evidence clearly indicates that it is forbidden to mix with non-mahram women and to look at them, and it forbids the means that lead to falling into that which Allaah has forbidden. There is a great deal of clear evidence that definitively shows that the mixing which leads to bad consequences is forbidden. For example, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As‑Salaah (Iqamat‑as‑Salaah), and give Zakaah and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah wishes only to remove Ar‑Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet), and to purify you with a thorough purification.
And remember (O you the members of the Prophet’s family, the Graces of your Lord), that which is recited in your houses of the Verses of Allaah and Al‑Hikmah (i.e. Prophet’s Sunnah legal ways, so give your thanks to Allaah and glorify His Praises for this Qur’aan and the Sunnah). Verily, Allaah is Ever Most Courteous, Well‑Acquainted with all things”
Yes,and i toatally agree with this.
I believe that ONLY if a woman HAS to be out in the work place like if her husband dies or something and even with this she should have a suitable job tht lets her wear her jilbab.
But rarely do woman find a job like that.
SaLaMz
~!My hijab is my crown!~
~For My past will for ever be a part of my present and my future!~
I know i look diffrent--im going through something.Make dua for me
if its islamic education..i'd say go for it...then the husband and wife know each others rights...and they argue less.......and then again anyone who sets out to seek knowledge is in the path of Allah untill they return home.......and other eduction aswell is important...because islam we need doctoors and people like that...so....its not a faradh or haraam...just persons personal choice..........
(MY OPINION!)
No arguments in a marital relationship? Where's the fun in that?
^ LOL a little argument sometimes spice up a marriage isn't it? haha.....but no, everyone wants their marriage as peaceful as possible and arguments usually just turn out for the worse if the couple dont know how to give and take and are too hardheaded so I guess no arguments are better
Jihad_spun, Saudi is not the only place where a woman can work under those conditions, I'm in the Bahamas and alhamdulillah I have an office job where I work fully covered, not mix with any men and still do my work as I am supposed to . But yes I also agree with the conditions. Like I said in my post above, if the environment is Islamic then its' no problem insha'allah.
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a little argument sometimes spice up a marriage isn't it? haha.....but no, everyone wants their marriage as peaceful as possible and arguments usually just turn out for the worse if the couple dont know how to give and take and are too hardheaded 
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