Are you implying that the mass muslim populous has a hidden missionary agenda to rise up, join forces and take over Europe? It doesn't matter if there are non muslims on LI. We have nothing to hide from them. I hope that the nonmuslims on here have enough reader discretion to not take this silly 'overtaking' business seriously.
I don't know much about this issue, but I think it would be good to have a muslim presence in the Eu, no?
Even if Turkey is secular, and even if they can't make a huge difference.. It's always good to have good relations with other countries..isn't it?
See how I put 'islamise' in inverted commas? I did that because I was using the brothers' own terms against him. I don't know what he means by it and I certainly don't think it is a good word to use.
What I took from it is a political 'islamisation'. Turkey is not an Islamic state so...why would they want to 'islamise' Europe?
Well when I was away lot of things have been said.Sevgi, the last thing you should laugh at in the world is my sentence about islamization of Europe.Turkey has a very important number of educated and educating muslim people.If these people would gain free travel and right to settle in European countries they would do a great job for the benefit of Islam.I am talking about Risale-i Nur students.I dont know if you know about them.I tell you think twice before laughing.
The only thing makes you think that Turkey should make itself Islamized is the secular government.No one knows if it will go on like this forever.If the government were like most of the people everything would be different.I believe it will change soon.
I say 'Watch Turkey for the rise of Islam again Inshaallah' Because the fallen flag of Islam , will rise from where it fallen down.
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Well when I was away lot of things have been said.Sevgi, the last thing you should laugh at in the world is my sentence about islamization of Europe.Turkey has a very important number of educated and educating muslim people.If these people would gain free travel and right to settle in European countries they would do a great job for the benefit of Islam.I am talking about Risale-i Nur students.I dont know if you know about them.I tell you think twice before laughing.
The only thing makes you think that Turkey should make itself Islamized is the secular government.No one knows if it will go on like this forever.If the government were like most of the people everything would be different.I believe it will change soon.
I say 'Watch Turkey for the rise of Islam again Inshaallah' Because the fallen flag of Islam , will rise from where it fallen down.
Ok, can we define "secular govt" and "rise of Islam" and again i ask you to define "Islamized". I find some people have different meaning for those terms.
O my Lord,
if I worship you
from fear of hell, burn me in hell.
If I worship you
from hope of Paradise, bar me from its gates.
But if I worship you
for yourself alone, grant me then the beauty of your Face.
Well when I was away lot of things have been said.Sevgi, the last thing you should laugh at in the world is my sentence about islamization of Europe.Turkey has a very important number of educated and educating muslim people.If these people would gain free travel and right to settle in European countries they would do a great job for the benefit of Islam.I am talking about Risale-i Nur students.I dont know if you know about them.I tell you think twice before laughing.
The only thing makes you think that Turkey should make itself Islamized is the secular government.No one knows if it will go on like this forever.If the government were like most of the people everything would be different.I believe it will change soon.
I say 'Watch Turkey for the rise of Islam again Inshaallah' Because the fallen flag of Islam , will rise from where it fallen down.
9 sene Fethullah hocanin okuluna gittim ve ordan mezun oldum. 7 yil nur evlerine gidip geldim ve bu 7 yilin 5 yilini orda yasamakla gecirdim. Ev ablaligi, belletmenlik, diyalog...hepsini yaptim.
Allah askina...yillardir Avustralyadalar ve henuz burdaki turklere bile faydali olamadilar. When do you expect them to 'islamise' Australia, let alone Europe?
Nur cemaatinin insanlari islamiyeti kisiler arasinda yayma cabasinda...politikaya asla karismazlar. Ulkeleri islamiyete cevirme gibi bir amaclari yok. Kisilerin kalplerine Allah sevgisi ve Iman nuru koymak, islami bir ulke yaratmakla ayni sey deyil.
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
*Pomak opens up a Turkish dictionary and tries to translate*
I wrote some personal things about myself which I don't want revealed to the whole forum. I had to tell Brother Yasin these things so that he does not judge me of being ignorant of what he was talking about.
In the end I argued that the people he is talking about do not mix with politics and that making individuals love God and Islam is their real mission, not to islamise states.
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
3- Reason: Most of Turkey is in Asia, so if Turkey accepted in EU, it means that the Europeans encroached Asian continent.. countries like Russia, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan should never enter EU too...
3- Reason: Most of Turkey is in Asia, so if Turkey accepted in EU, it means that the Europeans encroached Asian continent.. countries like Russia, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan should never enter EU too...
Whats wrong with EU "encroaching" Asian continent and whats wrong with Russia and Caucasian countries joining EU? Depending which arbitrary border you look at they are (mostly) in Europe. Personally I would really love to see Russia joining EU (with all the associated reforms).
Besides it never bothered anyone that most of Denmark is in North America.
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‘Say: If the ocean were ink wherewith to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted, even if We added another ocean like it.’~Al Qu'raan (18:109)
‘Say: If the ocean were ink wherewith to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted, even if We added another ocean like it.’~Al Qu'raan (18:109)
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
I will recall a hadith which says that before the Day of Judgment, Constantinople (present day Istanbul) will go back to Romans (i.e Europe). I see this coming true.
Moreover all the other EU nations are industrialized, but Turkey is still based on its agricultural sector.
Firstly the EU is still primarily an economic organization and I think economically, in the medium to long-term anyway, Turkish membership would benefit both Turkey and the other EU states.
Secondly, on the off chance the EU does ever really get it together as a political organization Turkish membership would be hugely beneficial in achieving a balanced foreign policy and friendly relations with other Islamic countries.
I will recall a hadith which says that before the Day of Judgment, Constantinople (present day Istanbul) will go back to Romans (i.e Europe). I see this coming true.
Moreover all the other EU nations are industrialized, but Turkey is still based on its agricultural sector.
Really? Can you provide a source for this Hadith bro? Is it in Bukhari? Because I really want to read this... Interesting... I didn't know that.
‘Say: If the ocean were ink wherewith to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted, even if We added another ocean like it.’~Al Qu'raan (18:109)
I dont think that Turkey will join EU in near future. Since Turks chose islamists and Erdogan, they also chose some way of thinking which is far from being euro-friendly. In Europe, for our liberals Erdogan is unaccaptable because he wants to ban divorces and supports religious fundamentalism. For european conservatives he is not to accept because he flirts with Hamas and often he and all Turks show fierce anti european and anti western attitude.Besides, majority of the european citizens would be against joining of Turkey to EU.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
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