Muslim "terrorism" Vs. Western "social culture" (OP)
This was an interesting debate brought up on the other thread and unfortunately, it could not be elaborated since the thread went off topic.
Alright, now the thing is, ALL of us Muslims here DO mind when the western world calls us "terrorists" right? Be it because of their propaganda, or because of our acts (which is not the case) us Muslims HAVE had our reputation go down due to the actions done by the groups such the Taliban who perform sins in the name of OUR religion. Their actions DID make our religion come across as wrong and ever since then, the Western world never stopped calling us terrorists and till today we fight against this injustice as what they say is wrong and we are NOT terrorists although in the modern times (immediate present) only Muslims have had an "islamic group" who performed terror in the name of our religion (Taliban). In this aspect, the other religions come off as clean as they DO have terrorists, but hardly do they perform crime in the name of religion.
But look at us. Everytime we talk about the west, we ALWAYS go on like how shallow they are, how they are like public property, they have no shame and freely go to bed with anyone, they do drugs, etc.
How can we expect them to stop calling us terrorists, if we dont stop calling them these? Fact is, MANY of the muslim population (even the ones who arent living in the west) perform the same act as them sitting here in our "Muslim countries".
What the most of their population does, is not right. But what we do, is not right either. If they do the wrong thing, we must try to correct them, but you can NEVER correct someone if you constantly criticize them without any will to show them the right path. Thats what we do all the time.
So we feel bad when they wrongfully call us terrorists right? What about the people in the west, the ones who DO stay away from these activities, how do they feel when we talk about them in this way?
Islam has taught us to be kind to everyone and to be nice. Not to go about flaming people like that. So why are we still doing this? Instead of badmouthing the western people, we should instead try to make them understand that what they are doing is wrong.
Think of it this way, suppose there are political parties. Now one party is democratic while the other is communist. Now, obvious the democratic party has the advantage due to its features so the democratic party and the communist party, CONSTANTLY badmouths each other but it is the democratic party who wants the communist party to stop bad mouthing about them.
Do you ACTUALLY believe the communist party will stop? No, the communists arent asking the democrats to stop bad mouthing them either so they have no obligations to keep going. But since the democrats want the communists to stop bad mouthing, the democrats should be the FIRST people to stop, and show the communists that they can be good people in order for the communists to stop their wrong doing.
In this case, we are the democrats, they are the communists. Our ideology and form of Government is greatly superior, but we are stooping down in the same level as them in order to badmouth. WE SHOULD STOP.
As long as we associate the western people with things like shallowness, sinful adultery, drugs, etc. The western people are not obligated to call us Muslims - terrorists.
If we want THEM to change, WE OURSELVES have to change first.
Truth stands out from error. Thats why I am trying to make him realize which way is right and which way is wrong through the PROPER WAY! The WAY Islam wants us to do things. Muhammad (pbuh) wanted us to be kind and respectful to people right? THATS WHAT I AM DOING!! A SUNNAH!
Actually you are not, you are passing wrong fatwas based on his wrong assumptions on Islam.. he didn't bother read a consensus on all schools of thoughts, and you make the error to water down his interpretation in lieu of giving him the correct ones.
You on the other hand are being blatantly disrespectful, to me AND him. I have no shown you any disrespect but you went ahead and flamed me too.. nice! tells me A LOT to me about your beautiful character.
Again, inconsequential, he especially earned his disrespect with direct insults toward Islam and slandering the prophet, if you find that acceptable, then perhaps Islam isn't for you all together...
oh rly?
then whats this you said earlier to kawai??
It is indeed an Islamic forum that caters to Muslims for which I believe any Muslim member is allowed to write/correct where they deem appropriate!.
Your entitled to your opinion, im entitled to mine. If you think being violent towards ANYONE who does something wrong and criticizing them WITHOUT the will to make them understand will ACTUALLY help spread the word of Islam to the non believers, then be my guest and bask in your own ignorance.
Perhaps you should define simple terms for yourself, before you go off on tirades logical fallacies and other blahs?
all the best
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Re: Muslim "terrorism" Vs. Western "social culture"
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Actually you are not, you are passing wrong fatwas based on his wrong assumptions on Islam.. he didn't bother read a consensus on all schools of thoughts, and you make the error to water down his interpretation in lieu of giving him the correct ones.
Again, inconsequential, he especially earned his disrespect with direct insults toward Islam and slandering the prophet, if you find that acceptable, then perhaps Islam isn't for you all together...
It is indeed an Islamic forum that caters to Muslims for which I believe any Muslim member is allowed to write/correct where they deem appropriate!.
Perhaps you should define simple terms for yourself, before you go off on tirades logical fallacies and other blahs?
all the best
Then please skye, if you keep criticizing me for my mistakes, HOW will I learn? Why dont you just take the time to show me my mistakes instead of insulting me like this? What are you trying to achieve with this?
And no, I dont find him showing disrespect to our religion acceptable, THATS WHY im correcting him in the first place.
Unless you want to help, please, stop pouring salt over your own religion.
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