I guess westerners can never really get away from the porn and sadistic-exhibitionistic roots that they love so much (the sort we have seen at abu gharib) how far erased from memory?.. not only are these scanners in violation of child-pornography laws (just search google) but they are really basically aimed at Muslims and I am pretty sure they'll restrict it to profiled people (Muslims) or those they wish to see naked!
If you want to go make pilgrimage or whatnot, be prepared to nullify your efforts to the gawking eyes of dog ****s at the airports!
7asbona Allah wa'ni3ma alwakeel!
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you don't need color to see anatomy.. you can google the images for body scans to see what they'll see, I'll not post them here personally for failure to do a simple google search! as for how it can be in violation of child porn, again, not a law or a statement of my own making:
Maybe it depends on your threshold for such things. With the media constantly bombarding images which are close to nude on adverts etc. I don't find an outline of a body in one colour all that concerning. It doesn't even make me look twice. That maybe a side effect for most people living in the west
Yes, I read the child porn thing in the guardian too before I posted my comment. I only meant that its taken a bit far because I would judge an airport scan like a biology textbook or journal. The intention is to gain knowledge; not sexual stimulus.
except there is no knowledge to be gained from subjecting your 70 year old grandmother or grandfather to full frontal and back anatomy with someone with a two week certificate if at all!
It isn't a matter of nudity on TV or in a clinical setting, rather individual harassment and singularly of Muslims!
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except there is no knowledge to be gained from subjecting your 70 year old grandmother or grandfather to full frontal and back anatomy with someone with a two week certificate if at all!
It isn't a matter of nudity on TV or in a clinical setting, rather individual harassment and singularly of Muslims!
Depends if they want to blow up a plane or not! Until its widespread you can probably just ask for a traditional patdown.
Its not just for Muslims though, its for all passengers.
^^ They have a list of countries they specifically wish to use this for and they're all Muslim countries. That's at least what I heard. Outlining the shape of the body is just as BAD. Think of your fellow Muslim sisters who have to go through it. The shape of their bodies being seen, shape of their chest and other areas? How is that not of concern??
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
I think were desensitized to an extent and that's why some are not concerned but as a Muslim we all should reject these scanners because it violates our awrah
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Depends if they want to blow up a plane or not! Until its widespread you can probably just ask for a traditional patdown.
Its not just for Muslims though, its for all passengers.
well Muslims naturally want to blow planes, so it is settled!
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^^ They have a list of countries they specifically wish to use this for and they're all Muslim countries.
Where did you read this? As far as I know its based on whichever terminal the scanner is at and not your destination. Didn't the Somalian bomber actually come in from a connecting flight out of Amsterdam?
You can see example images on google. They aren't colour and you can only make out outlines. It might be amusing for the guy watching the first few times but there's only so much amusement to be derived from blue outlines; it'll be boring for them after the first 10 or so people.
If its a necessity in order to stop planes getting blown up then you have to just accept it. The pictures are not kept and are not taken in a sexual context. As for child porn... well how can it be child porn if there is no porn? So kids playing naked on the beach is ok but whoa don't you dare take a blue-ish outline of their bodies for a few seconds to potentially save a plane full of people :s
I would have thought a strip search or pat down was more intrusive. At least this way nobody has their hands all over you... or "the glove".
i 100% agree. i was going through the airport once and had the FEMALE gaurd doing the pat down grab me in inappropriate ways. i would much rather show a blue blob on the screen then get felt up by some freak at the airport and what can you say to them not a dang thing because they cacn hold you up and make you miss your plane if you try to report them.
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Spare a thought for the muslim women that want to keep there modesty. Haveing our body shape being seen by a none muslim.
I understand that but at the same time i want to keep my body period. i would rather show a blue blob on the screen then get dead. and i would rather the scan praying i dont get a pervert...
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Maybe it depends on your threshold for such things. With the media constantly bombarding images which are close to nude on adverts etc. I don't find an outline of a body in one colour all that concerning. It doesn't even make me look twice. That maybe a side effect for most people living in the west
Yes, I read the child porn thing in the guardian too before I posted my comment. I only meant that its taken a bit far because I would judge an airport scan like a biology textbook or journal. The intention is to gain knowledge; not sexual stimulus.
but they are going to do with these just like they do the xray machines not every jack jill and harry will be able to see them walking by it will be up aginst a wall for some privacy and its not showing DETAILS... just shadows. modesty is a great thing but so is being alive and safe.
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except there is no knowledge to be gained from subjecting your 70 year old grandmother or grandfather to full frontal and back anatomy with someone with a two week certificate if at all!
It isn't a matter of nudity on TV or in a clinical setting, rather individual harassment and singularly of Muslims!
its not just of muslims its about EVERY wacko in the world there are just as many crazy every religion people.
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^^ They have a list of countries they specifically wish to use this for and they're all Muslim countries. That's at least what I heard. Outlining the shape of the body is just as BAD. Think of your fellow Muslim sisters who have to go through it. The shape of their bodies being seen, shape of their chest and other areas? How is that not of concern??
one... there is no way you can she her whatever whatever. i have seen the pics on google and they arent some nasty pictures it looks about as sexy as a snow man or woman.... and they are not supposed to have memory and if the airports show a little descretion with what we have in our bags then i am sure they will do the same with this and place it so the whole world is not viewing. i mean some people are acting like its going to be televised on football size screen.
personally... whatever they can do to make flying safer and faster and quicker through the airports rock on... make me safe. i want to make it to where ever i am going.
black white blue christain muslim earthling plutonian martian i dont care who the people are just make sure my plane gets to where its supposed to go in 1 peice and without crashing.
one... there is no way you can she her whatever whatever. i have seen the pics on google and they arent some nasty pictures it looks about as sexy as a snow man or woman.... and they are not supposed to have memory and if the airports show a little descretion with what we have in our bags then i am sure they will do the same with this and place it so the whole world is not viewing. i mean some people are acting like its going to be televised on football size screen.
Yea you can SEE it. Why da heck do u think we're meant to wear loose clothing? I've seen the pictures on google. In the one picture of an old woman, you can see the shape of her breast, her private part and her rear! I didnt wna blunt but now I think I have too. I'm not forsaking my modesty for the safety of my life. It's just the same as when you don't compromise your religion for the safety of your life. Same with modesty, it's part of Islam.
You don't like it, thats your perogative, but i sure as hell wouldn't like some freako behind the screen looking at me like that and knowing he can see the shape of all my parts.
If I have to travel, then itll be when I want to leave this country for good..
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*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
i 100% agree. i was going through the airport once and had the FEMALE gaurd doing the pat down grab me in inappropriate ways. i would much rather show a blue blob on the screen then get felt up by some freak at the airport and what can you say to them not a dang thing because they cacn hold you up and make you miss your plane if you try to report them.
Since when did the coca cola bottle shape just become a blue blob of nothing you're thinking like this naturally because ur a woman but an old security guy is gonna analyze and scrutinize your hardware making the past years of boring security work suddenly turn into an exciting striptease show
Last edited by Cabdullahi; 01-07-2010 at 01:22 AM.
Yea you can SEE it. Why da heck do u think we're meant to wear loose clothing? I've seen the pictures on google. In the one picture of an old woman, you can see the shape of her breast, her private part and her rear! I didnt wna blunt but now I think I have too. I'm not forsaking my modesty for the safety of my life. It's just the same as when you don't compromise your religion for the safety of your life. Same with modesty, it's part of Islam.
You don't like it, thats your perogative, but i sure as hell wouldn't like some freako behind the screen looking at me like that and knowing he can see the shape of all my parts.
If I have to travel, then itll be when I want to leave this country for good..
i never said you couldnt see the shape of the breast and tush. but its a shadow and the face isnt identifyable either. im saying its just different shades of blue. its like a giant blue blob. and its better then someone grabbing at private bits and peices.
this isnt much different then getting a scan from the doctors office
and there are still plenty of ways to travel that dont use the screening. car, boat, train, horse, biking, walking...
(not trying to be rude with the horse and walking comment just a lot of people still use horses where i was born.)
Indeed, but as you can see clearly that (outside of Cuba) every country targeted on the list is an Islamic one!
ok i can see where that would be a little upsetting but at the same time a lot of those countries have the money to just go out and buy a couple like its nothing...
that lady needs some hair on her head otherwise she looks like a convict with milk bladders
Sometimes I want to take the thread with utmost and then you or br. yusuf have to make me ROFL
She has hair, it just doesn't show..
I have no more comments I am quite upset about this since I really want to make pilgrimage insha'Allah, and I can just see a knuckle sandwich coming their way if I am angered by one of those skanks with a scan and I anger so easily .........
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