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    being a Christian!

    Hitler's Christmas party: Rare photographs capture leading Nazis celebrating in 1941


    Daily Mail.


    By Alan Hall.
    Last updated at 10:30 PM on 23rd December 2010

    A less festive bunch it’s hard to imagine.
    This is Hitler and his henchmen celebrating Christmas in 1941 – not that you’d know it from their glum expressions.
    These probably had something to do with the recent dispiriting failure of Nazi attempts to seize Moscow and take control of Russia.

    High command: Adolf Hitler and other Nazi officials celebrate Christmas at the Lowenbraukeller restaurant in Munich on December 18, 1941


    Sons of the swastika: Cadets at the feast



    The pictures from December 18, which have only just come to light, show Hitler and his generals at a party for SS officer cadets in Munich.

    But the Nazi Christmas was far from traditional.

    Hitler believed religion had no place in his 1,000-year Reich, so he replaced the Christian figure of Saint Nicholas with the Norse god Odin and urged Germans to celebrate the season as a holiday of the ‘winter solstice’, rather than Christmas.

    Out of sight at the top of the tree behind Hitler was a swastika instead of an angel, and many of the baubles carried runic symbols and iron cross motifs. The remarkable pictures were captured by Hugo Jaeger, one of the Fuhrer’s personal photographers.
    He buried the images in glass jars on the outskirts of Munich towards the end of the war, fearing that they would be taken away from him.
    Later he sold them to Life Magazine in America which published many of them this week.
    Other photographs show brownshirt thugs drinking beer.


    In 1944-1945, the Nazis tried to reinvent Christmas once again as a day to commemorate the dead, in particular fallen soldiers – by that time Germany had lost almost four million men in the war.
    But while many Germans baked biscuits and cakes in the shape of swastikas and adorned their trees with the symbols of the Nazi regime, most still called the festival Christmas.

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    Re: So much for hitler

    whats with the obsession with Hitler? who cares what he did in christmas.
    So much for hitler

    Do you think the pious don't sin?

    They merely:
    Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
    Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
    And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim

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    Re: So much for hitler

    WHERE ARE THE PICTURES?! I want to see 'em?

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    Re: So much for hitler

    Asalaamu Alaikum,

    Just wondering... does Christian teachings mean he will go to Heavan if he believed in Jesus Christ as his saviour?
    So much for hitler

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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by Perseveranze View Post
    Asalaamu Alaikum,

    Just wondering... does Christian teachings mean he will go to Heavan if he believed in Jesus Christ as his saviour?
    and to add to that, will he go to heaven unpunished as Jesus (peace be upon him) according to christians died for his sins?
    So much for hitler

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    Re: So much for hitler



    Good for Hitler. I wanted to see Hitler dressed as Santa.
    So much for hitler

    I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.

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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    whats with the obsession with Hitler? who cares what he did in christmas.
    No obsession whatsoever from me!

    I posted this to counter the claim that is put about, that hitler was a Christian!

    This claim is very often used as propaganda!

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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by Perseveranze View Post
    Asalaamu Alaikum,

    Just wondering... does Christian teachings mean he will go to Heavan if he believed in Jesus Christ as his saviour?
    Do you have information that hitler repented and put faith in the sacrifice of Jesus before he topped himself in his bunker!

    And do you seriously think that hitler's attempted genocide of the Jews, and many others who did not fit in with the 'master race' philosophy, are the actions of a Christian or are Christianity in action!

    These a rhetorical questions by the way!




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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by View Post
    And do you seriously think that hitler's attempted genocide of the Jews, and many others who did not fit in with the 'master race' philosophy, are the actions of a Christian or are Christianity in action!

    Well, who are you to judge that Hitler was not a christian?

    Remember those christian priests and pastors and nuns in rwanda who actually directly killed and/or helped killing a million of people?
    Surely they are christians through and through, even though you do not think that their actions are "christianity"

    Remember the countless christian priests and pastors who enjoy the company of really young boys?
    Surely they are christians through and through, even though you do not think that their actions are "christianity"

    Remember George Bush who lied through his teeth and invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and in the process killing a million of innocents?
    He is a very devout baptist and claimed the invasions were "just" (in the name of God) wars.
    unless you do not think baptists are christians?

    Do you want me to list names through history of "famous" christians?

    Just because you think they are not christian enough does not mean they are not.

    Last edited by Ramadhan; 12-28-2010 at 11:38 AM.

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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    Well, who are you to judge that Hitler was not a christian?

    Remember those christian priests and pastors and nuns in rwanda who actually directly killed and/or helped killing a million of people?
    Surely they are christians through and through, even though you do not think that their actions are "christianity"

    Remember the countless christian priests and pastors who enjoy the company of really young boys?
    Surely they are christians through and through, even though you do not think that their actions are "christianity"

    Remember George Bush who lied through his teeth and invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and in the process killing a million of innocents?
    He is a very devout baptist and claimed the invasions were "just" (in the name of God) wars.
    unless you do not think baptists are christians?

    Do you want me to list names through history of "famous" christians?

    Just because you think they are not christian enough does not mean they are not.

    I think you will find that your examples are of 'religious hypocrites' who are just christians in name!
    And are false and deluded!

    Show me an example of such things in the New Testament, any teaching or doctrine?

    Just because you think they are not christian enough does not mean they are not.


    The bible says of such people:


    • Revelation 21:8
      But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
    • Revelation 22:15
      Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.




    Galatians 5:13-25 (New International Version, ©2010)

    Life by the Spirit

    13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. 16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
    19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.

    Matthew 7:21-23 (New International Version, ©2010)

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    21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    Well, who are you to judge that Hitler was not a christian?

    Remember those christian priests and pastors and nuns in rwanda who actually directly killed and/or helped killing a million of people?
    Surely they are christians through and through, even though you do not think that their actions are "christianity"

    Remember the countless christian priests and pastors who enjoy the company of really young boys?
    Surely they are christians through and through, even though you do not think that their actions are "christianity"

    Remember George Bush who lied through his teeth and invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and in the process killing a million of innocents?
    He is a very devout baptist and claimed the invasions were "just" (in the name of God) wars.
    unless you do not think baptists are christians?

    Do you want me to list names through history of "famous" christians?

    Just because you think they are not christian enough does not mean they are not.

    we should also remember those that are hijacking islam.. let us not make them as powerful as the bushes eh.. although there paths have crossed already.

    anyway those christians you remembered are just christian in name.. doubt any turned the other cheek much.. doubt anybody has in 2000 odd years.

    anyway this is why i am not with the majority in any of my views,
    these days when they are written in history should not be of militants, insurgance and terrorists. when they write them they should be of the slaughter of the innocent and we do not act as though we are innocent.
    when we truly give up on everything and leave it to god, then we will know exactly what our god was and on that day the wronge doers own hands will be there undoing.

    whats the worst that could happen?
    Last edited by M.I.A.; 12-28-2010 at 02:27 PM.

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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by Watcher888 View Post
    Do you have information that hitler repented and put faith in the sacrifice of Jesus before he topped himself in his bunker!



    Why does he need to repent, surely prophet Jesus died for his sins so he goes to heaven regardless of what he's done cause he's already forgiven?

    Justice can't get any better
    So much for hitler

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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by Watcher888 View Post
    Do you have information that hitler repented and put faith in the sacrifice of Jesus before he topped himself in his bunker!

    And do you seriously think that hitler's attempted genocide of the Jews, and many others who did not fit in with the 'master race' philosophy, are the actions of a Christian or are Christianity in action!

    These a rhetorical questions by the way!



    Asalaamu Alaikum(peace be with you),

    Firstly, calm down. Re-read what I said;

    Just wondering... does Christian teachings mean he will go to Heavan if he believed in Jesus Christ as his saviour?
    But I've already asked other Christians, they said if he repented and took Christ as his "saviour" then by that logic he would go to Heaven.

    You may want to deny that, but then who's "Sins" did Jesus supposedly die for? A sin is a sin, unless there are some Sins that are too great that even the great God Jesus can't die for?
    Last edited by Perseveranze; 12-28-2010 at 07:12 PM.
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    Re: So much for hitler

    According to Christianity if he truly repented and believed that Jesus was his savior, then yes he would go to Heaven. Anyone want to place any wagers on if he truly repented?

    Are the teachings of Islam much different? Can someone not lead a sinful life, and at the end if they truly repent and say the Shahada and truly mean it will they not go to Heaven?

    Who knows, maybe Hitler reverted to Islam at the end..... after all, as Naidamar said, who are we to judge what religion he was not? We claim anything!

    You may want to deny that, but then who's "Sins" did Jesus supposedly die for? A sin is a sin, unless there are some Sins that are too great that even the great God Jesus can't die for?
    A nice twist on the words there, but Christians don't believe he died so that everyone could go to Heaven, but so that everyone could have the opportunity to do so. It was not a free pass for everyone.

    I am not a Christian, but anyone with even a basic understanding of Christianity understands that. But then I am sure you were being purposely obtuse anyway.

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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    According to Christianity if he truly repented and believed that Jesus was his savior, then yes he would go to Heaven. Anyone want to place any wagers on if he truly repented?

    Are the teachings of Islam much different? Can someone not lead a sinful life, and at the end if they truly repent and say the Shahada and truly mean it will they not go to Heaven?

    Who knows, maybe Hitler reverted to Islam at the end..... after all, as Naidamar said, who are we to judge what religion he was not? We claim anything!



    A nice twist on the words there, but Christians don't believe he died so that everyone could go to Heaven, but so that everyone could have the opportunity to do so. It was not a free pass for everyone.

    I am not a Christian, but anyone with even a basic understanding of Christianity understands that. But then I am sure you were being purposely obtuse anyway.
    Thats another nice twist you've come up with - trying to add a bit of sense to it, that's not what I've heard according to other christians. Why not stay out of this and let christian members answer?
    So much for hitler

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    Re: So much for hitler

    Why not stay out of this and let christian members answer?
    You are right, but they should probably answer that in the proper forum and in the proper thread. This thread concerns Hitler I believe, not the concept of Jesus dying for everyone's sins.

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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by Perseveranze View Post
    Asalaamu Alaikum(peace be with you),

    Firstly, calm down. Re-read what I said;

    But I've already asked other Christians, they said if he repented and took Christ as his "saviour" then by that logic he would go to Heaven.

    You may want to deny that, but then who's "Sins" did Jesus supposedly die for? A sin is a sin, unless there are some Sins that are too great that even the great God Jesus can't die for?
    Yes, if hitler had 'truly' repented and had been 'truly' born again of the Spirit' then he would have been forgiven!
    And there is 'no' sin too great that cannot be forgiven!
    Except for 'blasphemy' against the HOLY SPIRIT!

    BUT it's obvious from the fact that he topped himself, that he was still a pagan!
    More so, it is obvious from his life and philosophy and vile evil deeds that he was under the power of Satan!
    And that he had lost all reason, morality and ethics!

    Go back to the opening post and read what hitler said and did!






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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow View Post
    Good for Hitler. I wanted to see Hitler dressed as Santa.
    Lol I couldn't help but laugh at this

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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by Aileen View Post
    Lol I couldn't help but laugh at this
    Well, I am surprised that 2 muslims would think hitler's pagan idolatry combined with alcoholic revelry funny!

    But, may be any Jew hater, especially some fiend like the genocidal maniac hitler is a hero to some muslims and other assorted anti-semites!

    Particularly in mind of the end time islamic prophecy about the Jews!

    Of course I am just reading between the lines!





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    Re: So much for hitler

    format_quote Originally Posted by Watcher888 View Post
    I posted this to counter the claim that is put about, that hitler was a Christian!

    That is actually what he was.. a christian!.. why would we be surprised? Christians have had millenniums of warmongering, pillaging and genocides in the name of love & the self immolating man/god ..

    you're hardly apt at dispelling any myth.. in fact you seem to perpetuate the ideas folks have about bible thumping fundies!

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