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    Red face Permissible to say 'Merry Christmas'? (OP)



    with due respect to all, i dont think a thread wishing merry Christmas to Christians is very appropriate

    Congratulating the kuffaar on their religious festivals is haraam to the extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or approves of their rituals of kufr, even if one would not accept those things for oneself. But the Muslim should not aceept the rituals of kufr or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allaah does not accept any of that at all, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

    "If you disbelieve, then verily, Allaah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. . ."
    [al-Zumar 39:7]

    ". . . This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion . . ."
    [al-Maa’idah 5:3]

    So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues at work or otherwise.
    http://islamqa.com/en/ref/947

    no offense to anyone
    Last edited by Hamza Asadullah; 12-26-2010 at 11:58 PM. Reason: So others reading the original post can understand the context of this post
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    Re: To our Christian members

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    Yes we don´t celebrate but we can let others do what they believe and also respect it too.

    Respect others is not same than celebrate with them.
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    Re: To our Christian members

    I have not in my post suggested we should stop them from celebrating.. if I have kindly point it out!

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    Re: To our Christian members

    What if every who post to this thread just send Happy Holiday and then depate to other thread? Isn´t that too difficult?

    I, glo and Grace Seeker would like to eat too much cookies here together with peace. You muslims disturb our tea party.

    boredsmiley - Permissible to say 'Merry Christmas'?

    p.s. we have some sweets too, welcome everyone
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    Re: To our Christian members

    format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb View Post
    What if every who post to this thread just send Happy Holiday and then depate to other thread? Isn´t that too difficult? I, glo and Grace Seeker would like to eat too much cookies here together with peace together. You muslims disturb our tea party. p.s. we have cookies too, welcome everyone

    I haven't debated with any Christians on this thread - I have clarified to a Muslim that we don't celebrate the birth of any prophets and this is no exception.
    You can have all the cookies you want..

    {قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ } [آل عمران: 31]


    وكم أسر من فؤاد؟ وكم أذهب من عقل؟ فما أجمل الحب وما أكثر مدعيه؟ جاء رجل إلى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال يا رسول الله: متى الساعة؟

    قال « وماذا أعددت لها »

    قال: لاشيء إلا أني أحب الله ورسوله

    فقال: « أنت مع من أحببت » [رواه البخاري]


    A man came to the prophet and asked when is the hour, the prophet (PBUH) said and what have you prepared for it, the man said I prepared nothing but I do love Allah and his prophet. The prophet then said then you shall be with whom you love!




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    Re: To our Christian members

    You are right; I don´t celebrate but respect others.
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    Re: To our Christian members

    format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb View Post
    You are right; I don´t celebrate but respect others.
    pointing out what is wrong with this picture hardly equates with being disrespectful..
    I have no reservation whatsoever of them celebrating or enjoying their holidays and I am not invested emotionally either way. As far as we are concerned we have our own holidays, like the Jews, Janists or Zoroastrians have their own holidays, everyone is free to rejoice and celebrate, we're not obligated even out of political correctness to jump on everyone's band wagon!

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    Re: To our Christian members

    format_quote Originally Posted by kidcanman View Post
    You claim that it is forbidden to wish a person a merry christmas based on the opinion of Mufti Ikram ul Haq. I think you need to cite the quran and/or the appropriate ahadith. Mr. Haq was right to end his statements with "Allah knows best", because those statements are just his opinions. I don't disagree with his advice, but I think that he himself admits with the statement "Allah knows best" that this advice is not a commandment from Allah or the prophet. Therefore, I do not see how you can command muslims not to say merry christmas and state that it is Haram for them to do so when the prophet and the most high have not made such a commandment.
    Hello Kidcanman, firstly it is not my claim but the claim of a very learned scholar of Islam and secondly there is NO scholar of Islam that will dispute the fact that as Muslims we must not greet a Non Muslim specifying their celebration. This is unanymous and the consensus. Also with regards to Allah knows best this is something we should all say at the end of our posts because we are not infallible and as humans we are prone to mistakes whereas Allah is most perfect.

    With regards to what you said about this advice not being in the Qur'an then it is hardly unlikely that the Qur'an will order us not to say "Merry Christmas" to Christians on Christmas. If the Qur'an contained EVERYTHING then it would be too big to even carry. As Muslims we have two main sources and they the Qur'an and Sunnah and the best people to interpret the Qur'an and Sunnah are scholars of Islam. We are also ordered by Allah in the Qur'an to refer to scholars:

    "....If a contingent from every expedition remained behind in order to understand religion (Deen), and so that they could admonish their people when they return to them (from war) that thus they (may learn to) guard themselves (against
    evil)."
    (Surah Al-Taubah : 122)

    The verse supports that not all Muslims should go out and become preoccupied in jihad. There should be a group who devote themselves exclusively to learning and understand Deen so that they can teach Islamic rules and regulations to those who are not able to dedicate themselves to learning. This verse has ordered those who learn and understand, to impart knowledge of Islamic law to others and it has also instructed others to act upon the instructions to avoid the disobedience of Allah.

    "And We have not sent anyone before you except that they are men (humans) to whom We revealed. So, if you do not know ask those of remembrance." (Qur'an, Surah Nahl : 43)

    The command to '...ask those of remembrance' implies the principle that `every unlearned person (or non-expert) should refer to the one who knows.'

    Khatib Al-Baghdadi writes: "As for the question; who is allowed to follow (and make Taqleed)? It is the lay person who does not have the tools to understand the laws of Islam. The lay person is allowed to follow a scholar and act upon his advice.

    Those truly fear Allaah, among His servants, who have knowledge - - - - - . Part aayah 28, surah 35.

    Allaah will elevate to (suitable) ranks, those of you who believe and have been granted Knowledge. Part aayah 58, surah 11.

    Say (O Muhammad ): Are those equal, those who know and those who do not? Aayah 9 surah 39

    According to a hadith: .....Without doubt scholars are the successors of the Prophets. (Abu Dawood)


    With regards to non Muslim celebrations:

    “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood). This is a serious warning. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-‘Aas said: Whoever lives in the land of the mushrikeen and celebrates their Nawrooz (New Year) and their Mahrajaan (festivals), and imitates them until he dies, he will be a loser on the Day of Resurrection

    Therefore it is clear that we should not take part in nor acknowledge the celebrations of any non Muslim festival. But as mentioned it is sufficient to say "Happy holidays".


    And Allah knows best in all matters
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    Re: To our Christian members

    format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A. View Post
    on the pagan thing,

    we all know how the nazis took the swastika from the hindus right? (The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. )
    i dont know how or why but i guess the stigma attached makes it very hard for people to accept again.
    although brown people and the swastica are not thought to mix when you actually see both together then the idea of the nazi arien race simply vanishes right?

    the same should be done with christmas, even after all the innovation in the event to the point where only the event was real... it can be taken back as a form of rememberence of a prophet of islam saw.

    the last time i went jumma namaz i know that many names are/were mentioned by the imam.
    Asalaamu Alaikum, the fact is brother that this festival is not the birthdate of Isa (As). We as Muslims do not celebrate the brothdates of any Prophet but we do read about their lives and try to emulate them as best we can because they were the best of people chosen by Allah to establish monotheism (The oneness of God) but unfortunatley many a time the message of monotheism was twisted after the death of these Prophets and none so as much as Prophet Isa (As).

    Therefore we must never acknowledge events such as these which promote polytheism in that they believe that Jesus is God and therefore this festival celebrates what they believe to be the birth of God on earth. So why should we acknowledge such a lie? We will always establish the truth and that is the fact that Allah is one and has no partners and there is no worthy of worship except him.
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    Re: To our Christian members

    format_quote Originally Posted by Yahya Sulaiman View Post
    Of course they teach us that, but human beings are not capable of sustaining that kind of effort at their utmost all the time. It's good to have special occasions specifically dedicated to it.
    Asalaamu Alaikum, if we establish the characteristics, manners and ettiquettes of the Prophet Muhammed (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) into our lives then no doubt we will be the best towards others and examples for mankind to follow just like the Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was an example for the whole of mankind to follow. He was the best towards everyone especially non Muslims.

    The mercy of the Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) even extended to those who brutally killed and then mutilated the body of his uncle Hamzah (RA), one of the most beloved of people to the Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). Hamzah (RA) was one of the earliest to accept Islam and, through his power and position in the Quraish hierarchy, diverted much harm from the Muslims. An Abyssinian slave of the wife of Abu Sufyan, Hind, sought out and killed Hamzah in the battle of Uhud. The night before the victory of Mecca, Abu Sufyan accepted Islam, fearing the vengeance of the Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him. The latter forgave him and sought no retribution for his years of enmity.

    After Hind had killed Hamzah she mutilated his body by cutting his chest and tearing his liver and heart into pieces. When she quietly came to the Prophet(Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and accepted Islam, he recognized her but did not say anything. She was so impressed by his magnanimity and stature that she said, “O Messenger of God, no tent was more deserted in my eyes than yours; but today no tent is more lovely in my eyes than yours.”

    This is just one of countless examples in the time of our beloved Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) of his mercy, geneoristy and superior character. One just needs to look into the life of Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to realise that he was the perfect example for the whole of mankind.

    Mahatma Gandhi said about Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him):

    I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind ... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life. "

    George Bernard Shaw said about him:

    I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today

    So let us all look more into the life of this amazing man and establish why he had so much influence then until this very day and no doubt until the end of time. Before anyone comes to their own conclusions about Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) then at least look into his life for yourself and then make up your mind about him.

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    http://www.freewebs.com/islamic-site...ammad_saw.html
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    Re: To our Christian members

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza81 View Post
    Asalaamu Alaikum, if we establish the characteristics, manners and ettiquettes of the Prophet Muhammed (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) into our lives then no doubt we will be the best towards others and examples for mankind to follow just like the Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was an example for the whole of mankind to follow. He was the best towards everyone especially non Muslims.
    سئل الوالد العلامة محمد بن صالح العثيمين رحمه الله: ما حكم تهنئة الكفّار بعيد (الكريسمس) ؟ وكيف نرد عليهم إذا هنؤنا به؟ وهل يجوز الذهاب إلى أماكن الحفلات التي يقيمونها بهذه المناسبة؟ وهل يأثم الإنسان إذا فعل شيئاً مما ذُكر بغير قصد؟ وإنما فعله إما مجاملة، أو حياءً، أو إحراجاً، أو غير ذلك من الأسباب؟ وهل يجوز التشبه بهم في ذلك؟ الجواب: تهنئة الكفار بعيد الكريسمس أو غيره من أعيادهم الدينية حرام بالاتفاق. كما نقل ذلك ابن القيم – رحمه الله – في كتابه "أحكام أهل الذمة" حيث قال: "وأما التهنئة بشعائر الكفر المختصة به فحرام بالاتفاق، مثل أن يهنئهم بأعيادهم وصومهم، فيقول: عيد مبارك عليك، أو تهنأ بهذا العيد ونحوه، فَهَذَا إِنْ سَلِمَ قَائِلُهُ مِنَ الكُفْرِ فَهُوَ مِنَ المُحَرَّمَاتِ. وَهُوَ بِمَنْـزِلَةِ أَنْ تُهَنِّئَهُ بِسُجُودِهِ لِلصَلِيبِ، بل ذلك أعظم إثماً عند الله، وأشد مقتاً من التهنئة بشرب الخمر وقتل النفس، وارتكاب الفرج الحرام ونحوه. وكثير ممن لا قدر للدين عنده يقع في ذلك، ولا يدري قبح ما فعل، فمن هنأ عبداً بمعصية، أو بدعة، أو كفر فقد تعرض لمقت الله وسخطه". وللفتوى بقية، اضغط هنا لقراءة الفتوى كاملة.
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    Re: To our Christian members

    You cited two quranic verses that address the issue of how much authority scholars have.

    The first verse said people should stay behind and learn so that they can "admonish" their people, and thus their people can "guard themselves" against evil.

    The second verse says "if you don't know" ask those of remembrance.

    Nowhere in the quran does it state that the scholars have the authority to proclaim that their opinions are the same as a commandment from Allah.

    The scholars have learned much and so they can give their opinion and admonish. But they cannot form an opinion and say that it is a commandment from Allah.

    Where is the evidence from the quran that affirms that the scholars have the "Authority" to proclaim that something is against islam, i.e. definately not permisible by Allah, i.e. doing it is equivalent to breaking a commandment of Allah.

    That is a problem with many muslims. They take the proclamation of humans to be equivalent to a commandment from Allah. And they feel that if somebody goes against the proclamation of a scholar it is as if they are committing shirk.

    Are you putting the commandments of scholars on equal footing of the commandment of Allah? if so then I would like for you to present to me the quranic verse on which to base this point of view.

    Have you ever heard somebody quote a commandment or verse from the quran and then say "And Allah Knows Best"?

    So first you have presented evidence that we should listen to scholars but no evidence that the scholars have the authority to make divine commandments. And then the only evidence you presented to support your claim that wishing christians a merry christmas is haram did not come from the quran or from a saying of the prophet. It came from a proclamation from a scholar.

    But in this proclamation it does not speak of well wishing, it speaks of imitating a people and celebrating their festivals. Is it haram to do anything that imitates a christian?

    Did Allah say that?

    I'm not asking if it is advisble. I'm asking is it going against a commandment of allah to do "anything" that imitates a non-beliver? Is this a limit set by Allah? Or should we take it as such?

    Sitting in a chair? Driving a car? Building a house in the same manner as them?...haram? not Makrooh...haram? does Ibn Al-aas have the authority to say this? And in any event Al-aas talks about celebrating the festivals of non-believers.

    Wishing somebody a merry christmas is not celebrating their festival. According to ahadith actions are judged according to intentions. Our intentions are not to celebrate the birthday of jesus christ or his divinity when we wish christians a merry christmas.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza81 View Post
    firstly it is not my claim but the claim of a very learned scholar of Islam and secondly there is NO scholar of Islam that will dispute the fact that as Muslims we must not greet a Non Muslim specifying their celebration. This is unanymous and the consensus.
    from http://theiau.com/blog/q-and-a/merry...mas-greetings/

    " It is permissible to wish Christians a merry Christmas as long as the intention is to interact with them in the best way possible without supporting their belief. This opinion was held by scholars like Yusuf al-Qaraḍāwī, Abdullah bin Bayyah, and Muṣṭafā Zarqā. It is also the opinion that was adopted by the European Council for Fatwa and Research as well as many scholars throughout the Muslim world."

    Therefore all muslims scholars do not believe that it is haram to wish Christians a merry Christmas.

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    Re: To our Christian members

    format_quote Originally Posted by kidcanman View Post
    You cited two quranic verses that address the issue of how much authority scholars have.
    May i ask are you a Muslim because i cannot tell from your responses and also you have not disclosed your religion in your profile. I ask because i want to know if you are a Muslim then if there is any matter which you are unsure about then do you actually refer to scholars or are you of those who think they can derive their own rulings from Qur'an and hadith?

    Firstly knowhere in any of my responses have i said that scholars opinions have the same weight as the commands of Allah. What is fard is fard and what is haraam is haraam but there are many matters where it is not always plain and simple if a matter is permissable or not and that is where scholars will come to their conclusions using their knolwedge or Qur'an and hadith.

    We as lay people are obligated to refer to those who can derive these rulings because we ourselves cannot derive any rulings from the Qur'an or hadith ourselves simply because we do not have sufficient knowldge to do so. There maybe a matter where there is a hadith forbidding a certain act and we do not know of it and we think that matter is permissable when in fact it is not.

    A lay person attempting to derive any ruling from the Qur'an or hadith themselves will certainly not be able to in context and will certainly mistranslate and misinterpret a verse or hadith. The work of scholars has not just started recently but has been built upon ever since Qur'an and hadith came into existance. Therefore we are obligated to refer to scholars because we ourselves do not have the sufficient knowledge to come to our own conclusions and therefore we refer to those that have the knowledge to derive rulings and give fatwas that we as lay people can understand and act upon.

    You quoted a few scholars who take the other view there but the vast majority of scholars still hold the view that it is not permissable to wish any non Muslim referring to their celebration rather it is sufficient just to say "Happy holidays". Whilst it may be acceptable to be inclined towards another view even if it is a minority one, it is always best to take precaution when it comes to a matter especially taking into account a majority opinion on any matter.

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    Re: To our Christian members

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza81 View Post
    I ask because i want to know if you are a Muslim then if there is any matter which you are unsure about then do you actually refer to scholars or are you of those who think they can derive their own rulings from Qur'an and hadith?
    I refer to scholars but i don't take their rulings to be a commandment from Allah unless they cite where Allah commanded it. But more importantly I don't tell other people that Allah commanded this or that, when in fact it is a ruling from a scholar.

    Firstly knowhere in any of my responses have i said that scholars opinions have the same weight as the commands of Allah. What is fard is fard and what is haraam is haraam but there are many matters where it is not always plain and simple if a matter is permissable or not and that is where scholars will come to their conclusions using their knolwedge or Qur'an and hadith.
    You cited a scholar that answered yes to the question "is it haram to say merry christmas" (post #21). Then you made the statement that we should not acknowledge the celebrations of any non-muslim festivals (#59).
    Instead of indicating that it is advisable for muslims not to do it. You indicated that muslims should not do it. And you based that commandment on the judgement of scholars. It is your position that scholars can make an absolute commandment like that and say that it is according to islam (submitting to the will of Allah). Or in other words you think that their commandments are according to the will of Allah.

    Therefore you have taken the commandment of a scholar to be an absolutely true commandment.

    In other words, you are taking a scholar's commandment to be the commandment of islam. And you think that it is haram not to follow this commandment.

    In other words, you are taking a scholar's commandment to be the commandment of Allah.

    We as lay people are obligated to refer to those who can derive these rulings because we ourselves cannot derive any rulings from the Qur'an or hadith ourselves simply because we do not have sufficient knowldge to do so. There maybe a matter where there is a hadith forbidding a certain act and we do not know of it and we think that matter is permissable when in fact it is not.
    What I'm trying to tell you is that no man can derive a new ruling and say that this is a commandment of islam or Allah. What the scholars can do is relate their opinions. They can't "forbid" a certain act. They can just say, "i think it would be better if...".

    Allah says in the quran to say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah. - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail."6:114

    You quoted a few scholars who take the other view there but the vast majority of scholars still hold the view that it is not permissable to wish any non Muslim referring to their celebration rather it is sufficient just to say "Happy holidays". Whilst it may be acceptable to be inclined towards another view even if it is a minority one, it is always best to take precaution when it comes to a matter especially taking into account a majority opinion on any matter.
    In post #59 you adamantly asserted that NO scholar (and you capitalized no) will say that you can greet christians with merry christmas. And you said that your view is unanimous and the consensus. I proved to you that that is not true.

    Now you claim that the "vast majority" of scholars support your point of view. In light of your earlier mistake, how can I believe this claim? I do believe that the majority of scholars agree with your point of view. But I first need proof before I can accept that it is a "vast" majority or that only a "few" scholars are of a differing opinion.

    And you say that it "may be acceptable" to be inclined towards another point of view.

    Is it acceptable or not? If the lay man is too ignorant to make his own judgements about what is right or wrong without scholars what is he to do when the scholars differ? What do the scholar's commandments come to then? Is the action haram according to islam or halal? I gues it is as you said. Scholars are human and they make mistakes.

    So is it againts islam to wish christians a merry christmas? Is it against the "will of Allah"? or is it simply something that many scholars advise not to do and therefore a muslim can choose to take that advise or leave it?
    Last edited by kidcanman; 12-26-2010 at 11:01 AM.

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    Re: Permissible to say 'Merry Christmas'?

    kidcanman, it is so good to know I'm not the last sane man left in this religion. If I could have given you reputation points ten times instead of just once with this system, I would have.
    Permissible to say 'Merry Christmas'?

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    Re: Permissible to say 'Merry Christmas'?

    Maybe you can say Happy Holidays...

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    Re: Permissible to say 'Merry Christmas'?

    no offence but in terms of orgonised religion what is islam?

    some will say islam is the quran and sunna... but we cant interpret them correctly.

    lol its a funny way of looking at things.

    judgement will be done on an individual basis and nobody can wronge you but yourself, scholership is just putting constrainst on a path that the scholer cannot be 100% sure of.

    why narrow a path that allah has made easy for you?

    islam is a set of rules for each and every person, but each and every person is not the same.
    knowledge and wisdom are not the same, and one does not bring the other.. application of knowledge and a willingness to learn and accept may improve the chances though.

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    Re: Permissible to say 'Merry Christmas'?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Rashad View Post
    Maybe you can say Happy Holidays...

    if pressed and someone says it first to me I only say ''enjoy your holidays'' but I'd not instigate it-- I am not even given time off during Eid why should I go out of my ways to congratulate these people on their paganistic practices?
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    Re: Permissible to say 'Merry Christmas'?

    Like it or not Dec 25 is pretty much a worldwide holiday. I suspect more non-Christians celebrate it then the number of Christians, However, it is not a religious celebration for most of the world. For most people it is a day to reflect upon Peace and putting out a thought of good will towards others.

    For those of us who are not Christian let us simply keep it as a day of freely offering our willingness of peaceful co-existence to all of mankind.

    If we put forth an attempt to end aggression towards others. If every human honestly could spend one day without an aggressive word towards any other person, there may be hope for the human race after all.
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    Re: To our Christian members

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza81 View Post
    Asalaamu Alaikum, the fact is brother that this festival is not the birthdate of Isa (As). We as Muslims do not celebrate the brothdates of any Prophet but we do read about their lives and try to emulate them as best we can because they were the best of people chosen by Allah to establish monotheism (The oneness of God) but unfortunatley many a time the message of monotheism was twisted after the death of these Prophets and none so as much as Prophet Isa (As).

    Therefore we must never acknowledge events such as these which promote polytheism in that they believe that Jesus is God and therefore this festival celebrates what they believe to be the birth of God on earth. So why should we acknowledge such a lie? We will always establish the truth and that is the fact that Allah is one and has no partners and there is no worthy of worship except him.
    im being very harsh with you here but,
    i trust in my god moreso than any other thing in this world or out of it. if you believe that it is your prescribed duty to fight and that every stratagy available should be employed then i welcome you to the pacafist muslim that lays claim to all the prophets saw.

    i celebrate the birth of the prophet saw without knowledge when they were born... what a very strange thing to do. for what reason would i do this and how would i do this?

    i saw in another thread about a hadeeth saying the prophet muhammad* said to the jews that we have more right over moses saw than they did... i guess that would have been true back in the day.
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    Re: To our Christian members

    What should a Muslim do when someone says "merry christmas"?

    If a Muslim is greeted by someone with "merry christmas", he should return the greeting by saying "Happy holiday"

    Is it Haram to say "merry christmas to a christian?

    Yes, it is impermissible for a Muslim to say "merry christmas" to anyone. Instead, one may say to a non-Muslim "Happy holiday".
    even this is not permissable for the reason that you are wishing them a happy hoilday means that you are ok with it or in other words it is as thou one will say go ahead and do your celebration and greeting them with it as have a happy it is best not to reply and say i am a muslim


    Asalaamu Alaikum, if we establish the characteristics, manners and ettiquettes of the Prophet Muhammed (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) into our lives then no doubt we will be the best towards others and examples for mankind to follow just like the Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was an example for the whole of mankind to follow. He was the best towards everyone especially non Muslims.
    naam akhi very true but this doesnt mean that he ever prasied them or was pleased with there shirky acts and the prophet was Just with them as we should be this has nothing to do with this tread akhi

    " It is permissible to wish Christians a merry Christmas as long as the intention is to interact with them in the best way possible without supporting their belief. This opinion was held by scholars like Yusuf al-Qaraḍāwī, Abdullah bin Bayyah, and Muṣṭafā Zarqā. It is also the opinion that was adopted by the European Council for Fatwa and Research as well as many scholars throughout the Muslim world."
    this fatwah are rejected for he who see a munkar should hate it in his heart and this is the least of eman and how can i hate somthing in my heart and show other wise with my tonuge ...
    As Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said in Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah: "Congratulating the kuffaar on the rituals that belong only to them is haraam by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or bid’ah or kufr exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah
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