a sister on this forum who made a comment very recently saying that she feels more comfortable interacting with non Muslim men simply because in front of a Muslim guy she feels that she has to keep some sort of level of respect. I have seen this happen a lot over the years in so clearly it applies both ways
Salaam brother Hamza i think i know who you are talking about but i also think that it is not very nice mentioning this. very sorry but it wouldnt be in anyones favor to accuse her of hypocrisy. i hope i didnt not offend you
Salaam
Hey, not all Muslim men wear Arab, Persian, or Indian clothes. Even very devout ones wear western clothing, so can't that be a temptation too? Some don't even have a beard.
Salaam brother Hamza i think i know who you are talking about but i also think that it is not very nice mentioning this. very sorry but it wouldnt be in anyones favor to accuse her of hypocrisy. i hope i didnt not offend you
Salaam
Asalaamu Alaikum, just to clarify sister i did not accuse her of saying anything wrong for i actually agree with her statement. I mentioned her statement in context because of the fact that many of us may naturally act differently in front of other respectable Muslims and that is a good thing but my point in mentioning it was that it applies to both men and women.
But i do not agree with a person who mess around with those of the opposite sex whether they are Muslim or non Muslim and at the same time think they have a right to critisice Muslims of the opposite sex. This is hypocrisy and again it applies to both men and women.
If a person is practising and they see a member of the same sex acting, behaving and dressing innappropriatley then they should approach them and give them dawah inviting them towards good and forbidding evil in a gentle manner using wisdom and tact but we should not approach members of the opposite sex for dawah except that those of the same sex should do that.
And Allah knows best in all matters
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Asalaamu Alaikum, just to clarify sister i did not accuse her of anything. I simply mentioned her statement in context because of the fact that many of us may naturally act differently in front of other respectable Muslims and that is a good thing and that applies to both men and women. But i do not agree with a person who mess around with those of the opposite sex whether they are Muslim or non Muslim and at the same time think they have a right to critisice Muslims of the opposite sex. This is hypocrisy. Bu it applies to both men and women. And Allah knows best in all matters
Salaam
I am sorry , i take back what i said
Salaam
Funny how we are overprotective when it comes to brothers but if this thread was about sisters! Very few will say it is brothers too!
Yeah it wrong to generalise but this forum does it a lot towards the sisters especially the ones that work or about clothing, non Muslims and young people in general! So apply the same rule to everyone or don’t apply it at all! Otherwise the thread starter is entitled to generalise!
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The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
Hey, not all Muslim men wear Arab, Persian, or Indian clothes. Even very devout ones wear western clothing, so can't that be a temptation too? Some don't even have a beard.
It depends on the clothing, as long as it is not too tight or see-through or too revealing. As for the beard, some scholars argue that keeping a beard is not required but shaving is still strongly discouraged. I think small things can lead to temptation. I know some Muslim men that were attracted to some Muslim women wearing the Hijab.
The purpose behind the Islamic dress code is to reduce the risk of looking attractive, it will not eliminate it. I would like to add, to look attractive and to look smart are two different things...
EDIT:
Being devout is purely subjective...you can grow a beard, pray namaz 5 times a day, fast and perform hajj and still commit major sins like backbiting.
Last edited by GuestFellow; 06-08-2011 at 07:10 PM.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Hypocrites people exist in all dimensions, men or women.
The most striking view I saw was a month ago in a shopping mall in Jakarta:
There was a man and woman walking together, I guess they were both arabs, or at least the man was, as the woman was wearing complete niqab, so she can be anything lol. It was striking because while the woman was wearing fully covered black niqab that you almost couldnt see the eyes, the man was wearing very tight sleeveless t-shirt with some trendy images and wearing very tight knee length skinny jeans. He was in his 20s I think.
I had a non-practicing muslim work colleague ("non practicing" is a kind word to describe him actually) who was walking with me and he said "This is what I don't like about Islam. Women are subjugated and forced to wear that (niqab) while men can wear and do anything".
So I had to explain to him that the tight shirt-wearing man was not observing Islamic rules on dressing and clothing and modesty and that he shouldn't judge Islam on what some muslims are doing or wearing, even if they are arabs.
My intention starting this thread was not to point the finger at anyone (I'm sorry if I came across that way). I just wanted to know why people act like this? I think it's kinda two-faced when people people like to preach but they are far from practicing that same thing themselves.
Learn Patience from Asiyah, Loyalty from Khadijah, Sincerity from Aisha and Steadfastness from Fatima.
very interesting topic. I wouldn't know why they would act that way but the best thing to do, if a brother is acting like that, is for another brother to calmly speak to him about it. If there is a problem in talking to him, i mean he doesn't take kindly to advice, all you can do then is make dua that Allah guides him.
There is always a tendency among men and women alike to forget that Allah (swt) is watching our every move.
In my opinion I think some people just like to get their own way for everything, ignoring the fact that they could be sinning.
If you begin to live life relating to the God who is all around you, every moment becomes a prayer.
2 or 3 days back i was passing and i saw a girl. she has hijab on head but wearing a short sleeves shirt and her whole arms are naked... alhumdullaih i am too shy person and i always lower my gaze, but when i passed her, i was shocked and hurt... one one hand she was wearing hijab and on other ???
There is always a tendency among men and women alike to forget that Allah (swt) is watching our every move.
In my opinion I think some people just like to get their own way for everything, ignoring the fact that they could be sinning.
The best explanation so far.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
^Yes I agree. That is a good way of explaining it.
I don't wear a hijab at this point, but I do cover up everything else. I don't wear makeup and all I do is brush my hair and pull it back. Usually I have become safe from inappropriate guys, but when they still make comments or look in gross ways I feel blecky. I am thankful though that I have not noticed this from any Muslim men because I think I would be very sad for them.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." --Martin Luther King Jr.
^Yes I agree. That is a good way of explaining it.
I don't wear a hijab at this point, but I do cover up everything else. I don't wear makeup and all I do is brush my hair and pull it back. Usually I have become safe from inappropriate guys, but when they still make comments or look in gross ways I feel blecky. I am thankful though that I have not noticed this from any Muslim men because I think I would be very sad for them.
Sister, jerks are always going to be jerks no matter what you look like or what you do to prevent that. Don't let it bother you too much.
It happens around the world,not every person does this nor do only brothers.Perhaps the change in attitude comes from the Shaitaan whispering things into the minds...
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