Is it wrong for a kafir to perform salat? I still wish to perform salah as I do not denounce the Abrahamic god and I honestly feel that is the only god.
I can see ur religion is still Islam . Then what could be the problem with u in performing daily salat ?
If u still believe that God is one and Muhammed pbuh is His messenger , then InshaAllah ur prayer will be accepted. Hope u did not commit blasphemy.
Also I read in some convert stories that before accepting Islam , they went to mosque and offer salat with Muslims.
And Allah Knows Best.
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You need to stop migrating from one thing to another and sort your brain out. If you don't want to be Muslim then sort yourself out and don't be Muslim. Stop taking Islam as a joke.
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FreakOffALeash,
I know what happened to you because the same thing almost happened with me. I can understand coming into a new religion and having everything be so different and new. All of a sudden you're trying to pray 5 times a day and stay away from this and that and it becomes tiring. I think the first mistake you made with Islam was trying to do too much too fast and you also should have at least read all of the Quran with commentary to make sure you were sure about Islam. I remember before you said that you had been studying it for "months" now and that you only were upset that the Kabba wasn't actually a giant cube with a cloth over it but you had no other problems with Islam. Now, all of a sudden you seem to be repulsed by the religion. Sounds to me like you have a bad case of burn out and frustration from trying to do too much too fast and you should have taken the advice of the other members here and slowed down like they said.
I'm also a revert to Islam. It'll be 1 year for me in a few days. The problem that you have with Islam is not in the core of its teaching but the interpretations of people. I said this before and I will say it again. If you accepted Islam for the sake of other people they are always going to let you down. If you accepted Islam because you believe in your heart that Allah is the one true God and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is His last and final messenger then you would know that Allah will never let you down.
Unfortunately, you went into this while being an "Internet Muslim". And what I mean by internet Muslim is that you went on Google searches to get all of your information about Islam which isn't the right thing to do. There is a lot of sectarian garbage out there, a lot of anti-Islamic filth out there that is presented as "legit" and in terms of hadith, I have also found incorrect translations of them from Arabic out there. Secondly, you've probably been on some social networking websites or other Islamic internet forums where people might have been rude, said things that seemed backwards and wrong to you, that whole back home culture mentality and told you that everything about you, the fact that you are an American and everything else is just haraam. Everything being haraam. I've come across people like this on the internet too and it is annoying. I fear sometimes that Muslims on the internet do more to turn people away from Islam than non-Muslims do astaghfirullah!
But my point is that I feel that you went into this too fast and tried to change too much about yourself at once and it all ended up frustrating you. You didn't like what you learned about your dog so that upset you. I have a dog too and I also live in a non-Muslim family but my dog is still here in the house. Just keep the dog out of the area where you go to pray. Keep the dog out of your room. You did a Google internet search of your name and then all of a sudden you want to go and change your name to something Arabic. Just because a name means different things in different cultures doesn't necessarily mean that your name has to be changed based on some internet Google search that you did. You should have probably looked into that further than from going off a Wikipedia or internet Google search but if you did want to change your name than alhamdulillah that is fine too.
Next, you should have taken the advice of other members here when they told you to get OUT of the house and go and interact with other Muslims in the community to have good people around you. Patience is something that we should all strive for as Muslims but you want instant gratification and that's why you ended up burning yourself out with Islam. The Muslims here in my community often go out in nature, help out the community by feeding the homeless, having bbq's at the park, and even going on rollercoaster rides as a group for a day of fun. It's not all black and white as it might have been presented to you from being an internet Muslim. It is a shame that you weren't able to slow down, ask more questions from knowledgeable Muslims who could help you understand better, or even try to reach out to other brothers who could help you make sense of everything. So instead of taking the time to do that, you kept doing internet searches, seeing explanations of things that didn't make sense to you or you didn't like and instead of asking for clarification from a knowledgeable Muslim in your community or with us here online, you came to your own conclusions and decided that you wanted something new. The waswas came to you bad and unfortunately it seems like it was successful. Anything that is worth having isn't going to be easy. I'm sure you've heard that before but instead of running away from it, you as an academic should have made sure you had all of the information put together before you made any decisions like that. This is why you are sad now and confused. But as people have said to you before, there is no compulsion in religion in Islam.
I pray that Allah (swt) helps you make sense of everything and guides you to happiness in this life and protects you from all harm and evil in this world.
My dear, dear, Sister Haafizah, *hug from me to you* I don't think he is, Sister Haafizah.format_quote Originally Posted by Haafizah
I believe he is absolutely confused and overwhelmed with it all. He believes in 1 God. He wants to offer Salaah. But he is a Hindu now...Or a Dharmist (Is that right?)
He's just looking for confirmation on that one thing. Plus, he's only young, so be supportive and understanding, my dear Sister Haafizah!!! I know you're upset over the whole him becoming Muslim and now all of a sudden he isn't and I am too. He is still learning as we all are. Remember whatever happens, Allaah does it for the best and we shall all return to Him.
*BIG LUNG-SQUEEZING HUG TO YOU, MY DEAR SISTER HAAFIZAH*
And to your question, Brother FreakOffALeash, I shall research into it and God-willing bring up some answers...
Peace to y'all
format_quote Originally Posted by Haafizahyou hurt my feeling so badly with those words
I actually haven't had previous experiences with Muslim before. I am a semi successful person regarding religious conversions, and I know how to convert and brainwash people VERY well, I do it for a hobby out of boredom. I have looked at Islamic negativity and I went about researching and disproving it, confirming Islam basically. No negative words of others have swayed me from Islam trust me. I should really do a post about why I left Islam but I fear it is controversial for this forum and I wish not to upset anyone.format_quote Originally Posted by Aprender
FreakOffALeash,
I know what happened to you because the same thing almost happened with me. I can understand coming into a new religion and having everything be so different and new. All of a sudden you're trying to pray 5 times a day and stay away from this and that and it becomes tiring. I think the first mistake you made with Islam was trying to do too much too fast and you also should have at least read all of the Quran with commentary to make sure you were sure about Islam. I remember before you said that you had been studying it for "months" now and that you only were upset that the Kabba wasn't actually a giant cube with a cloth over it but you had no other problems with Islam. Now, all of a sudden you seem to be repulsed by the religion. Sounds to me like you have a bad case of burn out and frustration from trying to do too much too fast and you should have taken the advice of the other members here and slowed down like they said.
I'm also a revert to Islam. It'll be 1 year for me in a few days. The problem that you have with Islam is not in the core of its teaching but the interpretations of people. I said this before and I will say it again. If you accepted Islam for the sake of other people they are always going to let you down. If you accepted Islam because you believe in your heart that Allah is the one true God and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is His last and final messenger then you would know that Allah will never let you down.
Unfortunately, you went into this while being an "Internet Muslim". And what I mean by internet Muslim is that you went on Google searches to get all of your information about Islam which isn't the right thing to do. There is a lot of sectarian garbage out there, a lot of anti-Islamic filth out there that is presented as "legit" and in terms of hadith, I have also found incorrect translations of them from Arabic out there. Secondly, you've probably been on some social networking websites or other Islamic internet forums where people might have been rude, said things that seemed backwards and wrong to you, that whole back home culture mentality and told you that everything about you, the fact that you are an American and everything else is just haraam. Everything being haraam. I've come across people like this on the internet too and it is annoying. I fear sometimes that Muslims on the internet do more to turn people away from Islam than non-Muslims do astaghfirullah!
But my point is that I feel that you went into this too fast and tried to change too much about yourself at once and it all ended up frustrating you. You didn't like what you learned about your dog so that upset you. I have a dog too and I also live in a non-Muslim family but my dog is still here in the house. Just keep the dog out of the area where you go to pray. Keep the dog out of your room. You did a Google internet search of your name and then all of a sudden you want to go and change your name to something Arabic. Just because a name means different things in different cultures doesn't necessarily mean that your name has to be changed based on some internet Google search that you did. You should have probably looked into that further than from going off a Wikipedia or internet Google search but if you did want to change your name than alhamdulillah that is fine too.
Next, you should have taken the advice of other members here when they told you to get OUT of the house and go and interact with other Muslims in the community to have good people around you. Patience is something that we should all strive for as Muslims but you want instant gratification and that's why you ended up burning yourself out with Islam. The Muslims here in my community often go out in nature, help out the community by feeding the homeless, having bbq's at the park, and even going on rollercoaster rides as a group for a day of fun. It's not all black and white as it might have been presented to you from being an internet Muslim. It is a shame that you weren't able to slow down, ask more questions from knowledgeable Muslims who could help you understand better, or even try to reach out to other brothers who could help you make sense of everything. So instead of taking the time to do that, you kept doing internet searches, seeing explanations of things that didn't make sense to you or you didn't like and instead of asking for clarification from a knowledgeable Muslim in your community or with us here online, you came to your own conclusions and decided that you wanted something new. The waswas came to you bad and unfortunately it seems like it was successful. Anything that is worth having isn't going to be easy. I'm sure you've heard that before but instead of running away from it, you as an academic should have made sure you had all of the information put together before you made any decisions like that. This is why you are sad now and confused. But as people have said to you before, there is no compulsion in religion in Islam.
I pray that Allah (swt) helps you make sense of everything and guides you to happiness in this life and protects you from all harm and evil in this world.
format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash
I don't believe that is true. You said yourself on the forum that even though you know that people don't represent a religion it could sway your decision when you cried out for help in the other thread. Our experiences with other people always have an influence on our decisions in life. It would be naive to say otherwise.
I read plenty of stories of other people leaving Islam before I decided to become a Muslim and none of them were for legitimate reasons. I sensed deception in a great number of them and fallacies in their words. The only ones that I found acceptable were those individuals that simply lost faith in God all together and chose to become atheists. It wasn't that they had any issues with theology, simply that they just didn't believe in God.
Based on what you have posted on this forum, I'm certain that you left Islam because there was much about it that you didn't understand and didn't like because you didn't understand it. It's tough looking at a religion and having grown up in a culture that has taught you things that might go against some of its teachings. It can be hard to reconcile with that especially is it's presented in the wrong way. You got only some of the story and based your decision off of that. I clinged to Christianity for quite a while before I became a Muslim. I made sure I read my Bible, even the different translations of it that we had lying around the house, I made sure I talked to Christian scholars, I made sure to talk to other Christians but the evidence was quite clear that something about the theology was unacceptable for me and even then I still tried to hold onto it for the sake of not being the "other". But eventually I let go and I went on a search for other religions. I studied Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Mormonism (since that seems to be on the outside of the other Christian sects) and many, many other religions. Islam was the last. And while those religions had spiritual aspects to them that were quite pleasing to me, I still found something that wasn't quite right with them too that I couldn't accept. Once I stumbled on Islam, I studied it for 4 years before I took my shahada and even then I still have much to learn.
You think the promise of paradise in Islam is solely hedonistic but that is far from the truth. If any of us are granted paradise we really have no idea what it's going to be like. The mentions of some of the things that we see in it are only a miniscule glimpse into what awaits there. It is something that we cannot possibly comprehend or grasp as human beings and it is not only for pleasure. I'm sorry that what was painted to you made you think so.
Are you familiar with the concept of nafs in Islam? There are certain elements of that too that some of the other religions I mentioned above talk about. It's already an element of Islam. There are so many things in Islam that you need to learn but because you burned yourself out with all of the trickery and baloney you would never know it.
The reason why you have yet to share your reservations about Islam is because you know that they're due to your own conclusions about the religion that you based off of your own limited knowledge. If you posted them here on this forum other members would be able to correct the misinformation that you were given from your internet searches. And I'm certain that some of what you write would be offensive because you allowed something that was wrong to begin with to influence your thoughts unfortunately. Same thing happened to me.
I think you might have brainwashed yourself into sadness and depression from your "hobby" and now you don't know what is the truth anymore. Satan is very cunning indeed.
Perhaps you should take some time off for a while, get out in the real world, and live in reality for a while. Maybe you will learn more about yourself that way. You are young and you have a lot to learn.
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Exactly my pointformat_quote Originally Posted by Aprender
C'mon Brother FreakOffALeash, you can do it!
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How? If Islam means nothing to you then you shouldn't be offended.format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash
I have been around others and it wasnt special. I do not have high regards for people, trust me. I do not hate them but I expect the worst and know the that no matter what I cannot care that much about others and their lives. If I have no regard for other's feelings or emotions I cannot successfully understand or relate to people on a personal level. I just manipulate them because I treat social interactions like a game. I have my whole social profile mapped out already lol, just shows you how detached I am from others. There is nothing I can do to change myself regarding certain behaviors. I am not heartless I just have a smaller heart then others. My love is limited and I enjoy it the way it isformat_quote Originally Posted by Aprender
I don't believe that is true. You said yourself on the forum that even though you know that people don't represent a religion it could sway your decision when you cried out for help in the other thread. Our experiences with other people always have an influence on our decisions in life. It would be naive to say otherwise.
I read plenty of stories of other people leaving Islam before I decided to become a Muslim and none of them were for legitimate reasons. I sensed deception in a great number of them and fallacies in their words. The only ones that I found acceptable were those individuals that simply lost faith in God all together and chose to become atheists. It wasn't that they had any issues with theology, simply that they just didn't believe in God.
Based on what you have posted on this forum, I'm certain that you left Islam because there was much about it that you didn't understand and didn't like because you didn't understand it. It's tough looking at a religion and having grown up in a culture that has taught you things that might go against some of its teachings. It can be hard to reconcile with that especially is it's presented in the wrong way. You got only some of the story and based your decision off of that. I clinged to Christianity for quite a while before I became a Muslim. I made sure I read my Bible, even the different translations of it that we had lying around the house, I made sure I talked to Christian scholars, I made sure to talk to other Christians but the evidence was quite clear that something about the theology was unacceptable for me and even then I still tried to hold onto it for the sake of not being the "other". But eventually I let go and I went on a search for other religions. I studied Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Mormonism (since that seems to be on the outside of the other Christian sects) and many, many other religions. Islam was the last. And while those religions had spiritual aspects to them that were quite pleasing to me, I still found something that wasn't quite right with them too that I couldn't accept. Once I stumbled on Islam, I studied it for 4 years before I took my shahada and even then I still have much to learn.
You think the promise of paradise in Islam is solely hedonistic but that is far from the truth. If any of us are granted paradise we really have no idea what it's going to be like. The mentions of some of the things that we see in it are only a miniscule glimpse into what awaits there. It is something that we cannot possibly comprehend or grasp as human beings and it is not only for pleasure. I'm sorry that what was painted to you made you think so.
Are you familiar with the concept of nafs in Islam? There are certain elements of that too that some of the other religions I mentioned above talk about. It's already an element of Islam. There are so many things in Islam that you need to learn but because you burned yourself out with all of the trickery and baloney you would never know it.
The reason why you have yet to share your reservations about Islam is because you know that they're due to your own conclusions about the religion that you based off of your own limited knowledge. If you posted them here on this forum other members would be able to correct the misinformation that you were given from your internet searches. And I'm certain that some of what you write would be offensive because you allowed something that was wrong to begin with to influence your thoughts unfortunately. Same thing happened to me.
I think you might have brainwashed yourself into sadness and depression from your "hobby" and now you don't know what is the truth anymore. Satan is very cunning indeed.
Perhaps you should take some time off for a while, get out in the real world, and live in reality for a while. Maybe you will learn more about yourself that way. You are young and you have a lot to learn., less worries in my life.
I also embrace the evil side of my soul and find no quarrels with it. In Hinduism(broad sense) there is no evil because we are all evil and we are all good. Islam teaches we are all good at heart, I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS. This is one of the basic philosophies regarding myself! I do not let it go no matter what religion says. This is why I still hold myself as a Christian a lot of times.
Oh dear.format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash
You do have a good heart - why?
Thus, You have a heart and you give your love to others and animalsformat_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash
*Than
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Islaam is correct. There is good in everyone. Simples.
You an optimist but I am a pessimist. Men are evil by inheritance and I do not think of our physical state or emotional state far removed from animals. This totally contradicts Islam I am sure. Evil is a natural part and pure essence of life; and I may have quoted Buddha actually with those words. A lot of my philosophies are my theologies and my theologies are my religion. If my religion doesnt match my theology I through it out. I do not disregard Jehovah/Allah the one true god but I disregard the teachings as corrupt, bias or misread. I live my life mostly as a faithful Christian/Muslim but there are many teachings I do not believe in. I do not know if being a 80% Muslim counts for anything, I do not know if it makes me acceptable to enter Jannah or not but I personally do. I will make a thread stating my person beliefs and see if they are unacceptable to any of you.format_quote Originally Posted by Qurratul Ayn
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The only thing acceptable to Allaah is La ilaaha illalah Muhammadur RasoolAllaah. No other belief, no other religion, nothing.
And if you don't agree with the Prophet of Allaah's words (Hadith) then the whole declaration of faith is not acted upon.
That makes absolutely no sense. You are very, very confused. You really need to leave and clear your head.format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash
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Everybody isn't good. there are bad people in the world. this is why there is so much trouble in the world. however, God didn't make the people bad. Every child is created pure and good. but as people grow up, some choose to be good while others choose to be evil. There are many reasons why some people choose to be evil. Some are taught by bad parents or society. some do it for money. others do it because of lust desires. others for power. etc.
so yes, there are bad people in the world. those people can become good if they want to. but some choose not to improve because they're evil ways give them some benefits. or they have done so much evil that they just can't improve.
Each person has three types of soul. there is the good soul that trys to prevent people from doing bad deeds. and there is the bad soul that tells you to do bad deeds. and there is a third kind of soul that one gets when they have achieved the highest degree of piety.
God's Prophet Joseph (Allah's peace be on him) said in chapter 12 of the Holy Quran, verse 53: And I do not acquit myself. Indeed, the soul is a persistent enjoiner of evil, except those upon which my Lord has mercy. Indeed, my Lord is Forgiving and Merciful."
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Hey, you are going the wrong way. Earlier I saw where you were 90% Muslim.format_quote Originally Posted by FreakOffALeash
Brother FreakOffALeash, I don't know if you're still here for sure, but God-willing, this will answer whether a Non-Muslim can offer Salaah.
The question is asked to Dr. Zakir Naik.
Check it out! Simples.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7K217KDV4c
Is there really any point of offering it if you are not Muslim though.
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