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Assalamu alaikum brothers and sisters.
As you can see from the title this is about evolution.
All i would like to know is your views on evolution, i know its been here alot of times but the last one thread i read endes in 2009 and now its 2013 anything new in your views or is it all the same? From my understanding we can believe in evolution and common ancestor for every species alive except humans, do any of you see differently
 
saqattack said:
From my understanding we can believe in evolution and common ancestor for every species alive except humans, do any of you see differently
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Wa Alaikkum As'alaam

I don't know if you read the Holy Qur'an but it says that Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala created all living things. Evolution is not compatible with Islam nor any of the other Abrahmaic faiths. Evolution is an easy ticket for the atheists in denying our Creator. As it says in the Holy Qur'an 'evidence' is all around us, you just need to look.
 
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Evolution is a very broad subject. There are parts of Evolution that don't contradict with Islam, and parts of evolution that are far away from Islam.
 
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As-salamu alaykum,

It depends on what you mean about evolution. Evolution is an undeniable fact. For example, the English language has definitely evolved a great deal since the time of perhaps Shakespeare. Even our means of transport has evolved at a phenomenal rate, I don't see many people riding horses anymore. And there are many other things which have definitely evolved around us. But when you talk about species evolving from different species - that is something which isn't a fact but just a theory, and that is something I don't accept.

And Allah (s.w.t.) knows best.
 
As some remark; if evolution of species is impossible (now I mean inside of same species), then how it is possible that a horse was very different about 52 million years ago (Eohippus) than it is now (Equus). Or maybe they haven´t nothing to do together as the stage of development of same animal.


But what means "evolution of different species"? Not inside of one and same?
 
Im talking about biological evolution and all that about everyone having a common ancestor, ive read and heard also that the quran does not deny nor confirm that all species evolved from a common ancestor, besides humans, they are a speciel creation.
 
Im not saying i can prove anything nor am i here too, i just wanted you peoples view on the subject lol :D
 
There have been more recent threads on evolution, perhaps under different titles so they didn't show up in your search. Based on what was said there, I would say that the view adopted by many Muslims is to distinguish between 'macro' and 'micro' evolution.

Macro evolution involves the development of a whole new species that is distinct from and unable to breed with other species. This is not accepted by most Muslims in this forum.

Micro evolution refers to the smaller changes within a population - eg bigger and smaller dogs, different colours etc. This is accepted by most Muslims.

In other words, you can breed a dog into a rottweiler or a pekinese, but they're both still dogs. You can't breed them into a cat.

The principle technical objections by Muslims and also Christian Creationists to the theory of evolution (besides scriptural reasons) is:

1. That science has not put forward a satisfactory explanation for the original creation for the first life.
2. There is no suitable mechanism for evolution by gradual mutation and selective breeding (because according to the existing mathematical mutation rate it would take too long).

Apologies if I got any of that wrong - the resident expert on this forum is MustaphaMc. (I myself do believe in evolution.)
 
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Cars evolved. compare the first cars with todays and tell us how today's cars are different from the first ones and how are they the same. did cars evolve from each other without human interference? did they come into being by themselves? Why not! In the future it's even possible that cars will drive by themselves. I can hear one car saying to another, we have no proof that human exists!
 
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Cars evolved. compare the first cars with todays and tell us how today's cars are different from the first ones and how are they the same. did cars evolve from each other without human interference? did they come into being by themselves? Why not! In the future it's even possible that cars will drive by themselves. I can hear one car saying to another, we have no proof that human exists!
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Not really. They were 'made' with different designs and different materials in a new way.:p
 
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A conference on this topic:-
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I saw that the day it came out, that was some of the longest 4 hours ever!!
 
I am a cotton breeder and my views on macro evolution are not positive. For example, cultivated cotton, Gossypium hirsutum, is a tetraploid (4 sets of 13 chromosomes) and another species, Gossypium longicalyx, is a diploid that has a gene for resistance to a nematode (microscopic worm) pest of cotton. These 2 species are related, meaning genetically similar, but they are sexually incompatible. A university in Belgium has gone through highly specific scientific methods and a lot of effort to transfer this gene into cotton as detailed in this paper http://wcrc.confex.com/wcrc/2007/techprogram/P1190.HTM . Given the extreme difficulty that they had in successfully breeding this gene into cotton, I believe that the probabilty of this happening naturally through evolutionary principles is in fact zero despite the obvious advantage of having resistance to this pest. This is a simple example of impossibility of natural transferring of a single gene from one related plant species to another.

Another extreme example is modern genetic engineering whereby scientists have taken a gene from a bacteria, Bacillus thuringensis, that produces an insecticidal toxin and reverse engineered it into corn and cotton plants such that the plant expresses a bacterial gene. There is, again, zero probability of this ever having occured naturally without an intelligent being directing the process.

I believe in Allah as our Creator and I believe He likewise created all living and extinct species of life. Now, by what means was taken to create the different species doesn't really matter to me whether it was instantaneous or over millions of years I still believe that it required a Creator. I am aware of the complexity of genetics down to the molecular level and the process by which a sperm and egg unite resulting ultimately in a new individual is nothing short of miraculous to me. If one looks at it from an individual perspective we are living examples of so-called evolution as we started off as 2 unicellular entities that joined and went through an amazing transformation to yield a new sexually potent individual within merely 12-14 years. My strongest belief is that the system of life, and the various species of life down to the most minute bacteria, is too complicated to have arisen by mere chance.
 
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Not really. They were 'made' with different designs and different materials in a new way.:p
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That's what you say! But cars don't know that. They may as well believe they evolved from motorcycles that evolved from bikes that evolved from the buggy that evolved from the wheel (single cell) that came into being by itself when different material somehow mixed. where that first material came from is unknown. It's possible that it was a continuous cycle of beginning and ending.
 

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