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    Are video games Halal/Haraam??? (OP)


    ASSALAMU ALAIKUM WA RAHMATULLAHI WA BARAKATUH


    I think this is the most burning question among teen agers like me video games are halal or haram..... recently i found a game free of haraam things like music and animations of living animals will that game be permissible for playing......


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    Hello Gamers ya won't find this on your gaming sites which tell you gaming is good for you !



    enjoy gaming.

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    Re: Are video games Halal/Haraam???

    Ever been to the Live Science site? it's a great source for this kinda thing.

    As Video Games Become Ubiquitous, So Do Hand Health Problems

    In gaming, a few seconds of uninterrupted rest or the simultaneous application of the entire contents of a first aid kit can heal most injuries. However, the ever-increasing numbers of gamers, their crossing of both age and gender boundaries, and the hours they put into their namesake activity can lead to some real world consequences to their health that can’t be cured with a bottled fairy.

    Recent surveys have shown that online gaming, including gaming on PCs and consoles, has grown in the past year to eight hours per week on average, independent of offline or handheld options. So much time spent on a single activity, even those as seemingly benign as "Farmville" or as active as "Modern Warfare 2", can have a serious effect on the only universal gaming interface, human hands.


    Carpal Tunnel Syndrome: What is it?
    The bane of Human Resources departments worldwide is a condition known as Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. The carpal tunnel itself is an open space inside the wrist surrounded by bone and ligament through which the median nerve runs. The median nerve branches off from the shoulder down the length of each arm and partially controls the motions and sensations of the thumb and fingers.

    “Most people initially complain of numbness and tingling in their hands, usually in their ‘radial’ three digits: thumb, index finger and long finger,” reports Orthopedic Surgeon Dr. Dana Tarandy of Woodstock, IL. “Sometimes it includes the ring finger due to dual innervation with another nerve called the ulnar nerve. Later on, they get severe pain, burning pain, muscle weakness and muscle wasting in a long standing Carpal Tunnel Syndrome case.”

    How does it happen?
    One of the leading causes of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is the swelling of the surrounding tendons produced by repeated overuse or poor ergonomics of the wrist. This includes, but is not limited to, excessive mousing, Wii-mote use or a particularly tight or unconventional grip of a standard gaming controller that puts the wrist in an odd position for any length of time. “If you are gripping or holding your hand at an awkward angle, you should give your hands a break for ten minutes every hour to let that nerve relax,” recommends Dr. Tarandy.

    The condition can be managed in a number of ways from moderate to severe. “A carpal tunnel splint will increase the volume of the carpal tunnel by holding the wrist in relaxed, neutral but a slightly ‘up’ position. Especially at night, a lot of times at night we tend to go to sleep and our hand bends or flexes downward, and that deceives the volume of the carpal tunnel, putting more pressure on the nerve.” Anti-inflammatory drugs or physical therapy can also be prescribed. Surgery to expand the space for the median nerve, known as “carpal tunnel release” surgery, as it severs the transverse carpal ligament but “heals in about two weeks, but you can use your hand right away, a highly successful surgery, a ten minute outpatient surgery with a full or nearly full recovery with almost all symptoms going away.”

    Other Possible Problems
    Gaming related bone and muscle ailments are not exclusive to the wrist. In just the past twenty years, the need for fast and accurate finger and, in particular, thumb movement has become essential for both social and virtual survival. The best example is the number of controller buttons under the purview of a single hand as grown from one in the dawn of the gaming age, to at least seven, in the current era and that’s not counting an analog stick.

    Button related actions are not limited to simple presses either. Critical gameplay maneuvers often require long-term pressure to be applied to one button, e.g. as a stand in for an accelerator pedal; the rapid movement from one button to another in short sequence in rhythm games or quick time events; or the sustained, rapid hammering onto a single button to survive a cutscene or hide a loading screen. All of these situations result in repeated and stressed action on the joints of the fingers, a contributing (though not solely causative) factor toward the development of Osteoarthritis in the hands.

    Osteoarthritis is the blanket term used to cover the process where the breakdown of cartilage between joints causes further damage and complications to movement. When bones begin to wear against each other they start to heal abnormally, creating bone spurs and other painful complications. A related arthritic condition concerning the overuse of fingers is known as Trigger Finger. “A nodule develops in the tendon that gets caught under a ligament,” explains Tarandy, “when you flex it down it gets trapped under a ligament and when you try to extend it, its basically stuck and then you have to manually pull it back.” It can also be corrected by splinting or surgery.

    Overall prevention of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and various arthritic conditions is part of a laundry list of general wellness information consisting mainly of the moderation of any potentially harmful activity (including gaming sessions), getting regular exercise and eating well. Any concerns or attempts at treatment should first be cleared with your physician.

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    Re: Are video games Halal/Haraam???

    I think my signature is enough for aaj,

    Go catch your pokemon.

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    When Shaikh Hamza Yusuf Hansen advised the "learn to die before you die" narrative, I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about video game deaths lol

    You fools need to wake up and smell the boon tree.

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    Re: Are video games Halal/Haraam???

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    When Shaikh Hamza Yusuf Hansen advised the "learn to die before you die" narrative, I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about video game deaths lol

    You fools need to wake up and smell the boon tree.

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    Fools?

    Such atrocious manners you have.

    Is this how you advise? Why would anyone listen to you when they can see you are only forcing your views upon others?
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    Re: Are video games Halal/Haraam???

    format_quote Originally Posted by .hasan. View Post
    Fools?

    Such atrocious manners you have.

    Is this how you advise? Why would anyone listen to you when they can see you are only forcing your views upon others?
    You feeling forced shows how weak your resolve really is, lol

    Grow some will power, or be a muppet - your choice.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    You feeling forced shows how weak your resolve really is, lol

    Grow some will power, or be a muppet - your choice.

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    Health risks of using pcs

    1.

    muscle soreness and muscle fatigue are the most common complaints of regular computer users. Back pain, chest pain, pain or numbness in arms, shoulder and feet top the list. These types of problems mainly occur because your posture while using the computer is not correct. Either you are sitting on an uncomfortable chair or your workstation is not supportive of correct posture. Read more about causes of muscle pain.

    2.

    Pain in the neck, shoulder, or anywhere from the shoulder to fingers may indicate repetitive stress injury. When you use your muscles in an awkward position, you may experience stiffness, pain or swelling in that area. For example, twisting the wrist to use the mouse or specific typing technique that causes stretching of fingers or pressure on the wrist can turn really painful. One of the disorders that affect the fingers and wrist is carpal tunnel syndrome.

    3.

    Brght light and bad glare or flickering image can strain your eyes. Constantly focusing on the screen without blinking can cause dry eyes. Computer vision syndrome is another problem

    4.
    Because of increased muscle tension or pain in the neck at the base of the skull, headache is common problem with computer use. Many a times, prolonged use can affect eye power which needs vision correction. This can also result in headache.

    5.

    Studies have shown that prolonged use of computers, especially in children, is the major contributing factor of sedentary lifestyle and childhood obesity.

    6.


    Technology has a huge impact on our behaviour and emotions. Prolonged computer use along with other factors like poor health, work pressure and job environment can make you susceptible to stress. Moreover, the longer you uphold the stress, the more susceptible you become to other health issues mentioned above. It can also lead to loss of concentration
    Pain in the neck, shoulder, or anywhere from the shoulder to fingers may indicate repetitive stress injury. When you use your muscles in an awkward position, you may experience stiffness, pain or swelling in that area. For example, twisting the wrist to use the mouse or specific typing technique that causes stretching of fingers or pressure on the wrist can turn really painful. One of the disorders that affect the fingers and wrist is carpal tunnel syndrome.
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    [QUOTE=Scimitar;2943751]You feeling forced shows how weak your resolve really is, lol

    Grow some will power, or be a muppet - your choice.

    Scimi[/QUOTE

    Looking at the health risks of pcs, I am quite surprised at how you still continue to use a pc. Would you like me to link you to some articles/videos highlighting he risks associated with pcs?

    You should strengthen your will power and give up pcs immediately. Or I gues you could continue living like a weak idiot who doesn't practice what he preaches.

    Technology has a huge impact on our behaviour and emotions. Prolonged computer use along with other factors like poor health, work pressure and job environment can make you susceptible to stress. Moreover, the longer you uphold the stress, the more susceptible you become to other health issues mentioned above. It can also lead to loss of concen
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    Re: Are video games Halal/Haraam???

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    You feeling forced shows how weak your resolve really is, lol

    Grow some will power, or be a muppet - your choice.

    Scimi
    Looking at the health risks of pcs, I am quite surprised at how you still continue to use a pc. Would you like me to link you to some articles/videos highlighting the risks associated with pcs in great depth?

    You should strengthen your will power and give up pcs immediately. Or I gues you could continue living like a weak idiot who doesn't practice what he preaches..


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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Hello Gamers ya won't find this on your gaming sites which tell you gaming is good for you !



    enjoy gaming.

    Scimi

    Look here, brainless.


    Common computer-induced medical problemsEdit

    Notable physical medical problems that can arise from using computers include Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Computer Vision Syndrome, and Musculoskeletal problems.[1]
    Carpal Tunnel SyndromeEdit

    The medical problem associated with computer-related work is carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS). CTS is a stress-related injury caused by repetitive movement of joints, especially the wrist, and can lead to numerous musculoskeletal problems. It has become very common among Computer professionals due to poorly placed computer components and extensive typing over a long period of time. Studies conducted show that one in eight computer professionals suffer from CTS.[2] This study was conducted over 21 companies and the majority of sufferers said that they experienced acute and in some cases severe pain due to CTS. The main cause of CTS seems to be debatable, however, with many sources saying that the syndrome is predominantly caused by the acute positioning of the wrist while typing and this problem is exacerbated by the need for the user to be crouching towards the screen while typing. Different research conducted cites the mouse as being the main cause of CTS[2] as it was found that among the fingers the right thumb was revealed to be more susceptible to CTS due to the acute position of the thumb while using the mouse. CTS, although prevalent, seems to be very difficult to ameliorate or cure due to the consistency in the design of computer components such as the mouse and the keyboard, but some companies are leading the way with technologies such as touch screen monitors which will reduce stress on the hand and wrist. Employers in major companies are also taking measures to ameliorate CTS by implementing frequent work breaks and work rotation procedures to ensure that employees aren’t working on a single computer for hours on end "a higher level of intensity of computer work results in higher risk for CTS."[3] which causes severe stress on the joints and thus can lead to CTS
    Cumulative trauma disorders are caused by "people who sit at PC workstations or visual display terminals in fast-paced, repetitive keystroke jobs. Their fingers, wrists, arms, necks, and back may become so weak and painful that they cannot work,"[4] Many people do not think about this when they look at their computer while using it. It is important to note that everything down to the keyboard has a design process behind it focusing on user interface.[5]
    Computer Vision SyndromeEdit

    In many cases, frequent computer users suffer from computer vision syndrome, which is a degenerative eye problem which can result in severely reduced eyesight (Myopia), blurred vision, overall eye tiredness and even Glaucoma. Computer Eye Syndrome is an umbrella term for many problems but the causes of these problems can be easily identified. When using a computer due to the size and setup of the monitor and components it is necessary for the user to be within at least two feet of the monitor when performing any type of computational work. This presents many problems especially in older monitors due to an elevated amount of monitor glare, poor display quality and insufficient picture display refresh rates. Although these problems are more evident in older computers the newer models are not free from these problems either. Studies have been conducted [6] into the correlation between computers and eye problems and it was found that the Ionizing radiation given off by monitors has severe detrimental effects on the eye and eyesight on a whole. They also state “Treatment requires a multidirectional approach combining ocular therapy with adjustment of the workstation”[6] which shows these problems are quite easily solved with minimal investment from computer manufacturers through producing higher quality monitors with better resolution and refresh rates. The most common form of Computer Vision Syndrome is a condition termed Dry Eye, which results in itchy, sore and even the illusion that something is stuck in your eye. This condition is often caused by extensively long period looking at a computer screen.
    Video screens have a design process for user interface. Video screens can cause eyestrain from prolonged viewing. Cathode ray tubes are what are used to display the information on your computer. These send off radiation. This is a concern that has been taken into account when designing better computer screens for user interface.[4][5]
    Musculoskeletal problemsEdit

    Another medical issue caused by the use of computers is back and posture problems. These problems relate to musculoskeletal disorders caused by the need for the user to be crouched and hunched towards the monitors and computer components due to the design and positioning of these particular computer peripherals. This hunching forward of the user causes posture and back problems but is also the cause of severe and acute pain in the upper back, particularly pain in the neck and or shoulders. A study [7] was conducted where 2146 technical assistants installed a computer program to monitor the musculoskeletal pain they suffered and answered questionnaires on the location and severity of the pain. The study showed interesting results, as it detailed how in the majority of cases any pain suffered was aggravated and exacerbated by the use of computer peripherals like the mouse and keyboard but overall the pain did not originate from using computers. "Moreover, there seems to be no relationship between computer use and prolonged and chronic neck and shoulder pain"[7]This is a positive study for computer manufacturers but although the pain may not originate from computer peripherals there is no doubt that the pain is exacerbated by their use and this revelation alone should lead computer manufacturers to pioneer new technologies that reduce the risk of posture or musculoskeletal problems aggravated by the use of poorly designed and linearly designed computer peripherals.
    In another study,[8] It was found that women are at a greater risk than men to suffer from musculoskeletal problems than men. Two explanations given were that "women appear to consistently report more neck and upper extremity symptoms than men.", and that women may assume more taxing positions while working than men do due to differences in anthropometrics.
    Mental problemsEdit

    Public Health England said children who spend too long on the internet face social problems such as loneliness, depression and anxiety.[9]
    According to Dr Victoria Dunkley, excessive use of electronic screen media can have ill effects on mental health related to mood, cognition, and behavior -- and may even result in psychosis in the form of hallucination.[10] She calls this "Electronic Screen Syndrome" (ESS). She claims the root of these symptoms appears to be linked to repeated stress on the nervous system, making self-regulation and stress management less efficient. She says interacting with screens shifts the nervous system into fight-or-flight mode which leads to dysregulation as an inability to modulate one’s mood, attention, or level of arousal in a manner appropriate to one’s environment.
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    Imagine, holding a controller, same position, for 10 hours straight, forgetting to eat. Lol. Must be insane.

    No, but seriously, as long as you don't play 10 hours straight, and say you have a gaming session, have a 15 min break, where you rest your hands.

    Ps. one's hobby should not be only the computer, and nothing else. To play computer all day or have that as one's only hobby, is not good. Have some rest. Do workout.

    Imagine having your muscles STRAINED for hours on end, no rest. For years... obviously you'd get problems.

    One's life shouldn't revolve around PC gaming. It should just be as a pass time.

    Being on PC all day, even if you aren't gaming, will cause problems.

    Allahu alam.
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    Re: Are video games Halal/Haraam???

    To state the OP: Are video games halal or haram?

    The answer is they are halal. All things in Islam are generally halal unless already known to be haram or disliked (makrooh) or unless otherwise ruled haram through new rulings.

    Following is purely in the interest of the topic in relation to pros/cons of video games.....

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    Video Games Play May Provide Learning, Health, Social Benefits, Review Finds


    2013

    Playing video games, including violent shooter games, may boost children’s learning, health and social skills, according to a review of research on the positive effects of video game play to be published by the American Psychological Association.

    The study comes out as debate continues among psychologists and other health professionals regarding the effects of violent media on youth.

    “Important research has already been conducted for decades on the negative effects of gaming, including addiction, depression and aggression, and we are certainly not suggesting that this should be ignored,” said lead author Isabela Granic, PhD, of Radboud University Nijmegen in The Netherlands. “However, to understand the impact of video games on children’s and adolescents’ development, a more balanced perspective is needed.”

    more @ https://www.apa.org/news/press/relea...deo-games.aspx

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    The educational benefits of video games


    2013

    Video games have great positive potential in addition to their entertainment value and there has been considerable success when games are designed to address a specific problem or to teach a certain skill.

    Research has consistently shown that playing computer games produces reductions in reaction times,improved hand-eye co-ordination and raises players’ self-esteem

    > video game can be used as research and/or measurement tools. Furthermore, as research tools they have great diversity
    > video game attract participation by individuals across many demographic boundaries (e.g., age, gender, ethnicity, educational status)
    > video game can assist children in setting goals, ensuring goal rehearsal, providing feedback, reinforcement, and maintaining records of behavioural change
    > video game can be useful because they allow the researcher to measure performance on a very wide variety of tasks, and can be easily changed, standardized and understood
    > video game can be used when examining individual characteristics such as self-esteem, self-concept, goal-setting and individual differences
    > video game are fun and stimulating for participants Consequently, it is easier to achieve and maintain a person’s undivided attention for long periods of time. Because of the fun and excitement, they may also provide an innovative way of learning
    > video game can provide elements of interactivity that may stimulate learning
    > video game also allow participants to experience novelty, curiosity and challenge. This may stimulate learning
    > video game equip children with state-of-the art technology. This may help overcome technophobia (a condition well-known among many adults). Over time it may also help eliminate gender imbalance in IT use (as males tend to be more avid IT users)
    > video game may help in the development of transferable IT skills
    > video game can act as simulations. These allow participants to engage in extraordinary activities and to destroy or even die without real consequences
    > video game may help adolescents regress to childhood play (because of the ability to suspend reality in video game playing)

    Despite the disadvantages, it would appear that video game(in the right context) may be a facilitatory educational aid.


    Video games and the development of skills among special need groups

    Video games have been used in comprehensive programmes to help develop social skills in children and adolescents who are severely retarded or who have severe developmental problems like autism.

    Language skills
    These included video game play being able to facilitate (i) discussing and sharing, (ii) following directions (understanding prepositions etc.), (iii) giving directions, (iv) answering questions, and (v) having a discussion topic with visual aides to share with others.

    Basic maths skills
    These included video game playing promoting basic maths skills as children learn to interact with the score counters on video game.

    Basic reading skills
    These included video game’ character dialogue which are printed on the screen (‘Play’, ‘Quit’, ‘Go’, ‘Stop’, Load’ etc.).

    Social skills
    video game provided an interest that was popular with other children makes talking and playing together so much easier. At school there are always other children who share a passion for video game play.


    Brain-wave biofeedback

    New (as yet unpublished) research 23 suggests video games linked to brain-wave biofeedback may help children with attention deficit disorders. Biofeedback teaches patients to control normally involuntary body functions such as heart rate by providing real-time monitors of those responses. With the aid of a computer display, attention-deficit patients can learn to modulate brain waves associated with focusing. With enough training, changes become automatic and lead to improvements in grades, sociability, organizational skills

    Rehabilitation

    There are also several case reports describing the use of video games for rehabilitation. In one application, an electronic game was used to improve arm control in a 13 year old boy with Erb’s palsy. 27 The authors concluded that the game format capitalized on the child’s motivation to succeed in the game and focused attention away from potential discomfort

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    Horizon: How video games can change your brain


    2015

    The video game industry is a global phenomenon. There are more than 1.2 billion gamers across the planet, with sales projected soon to pass $100bn (£65bn) per year.

    The games frequently stand accused of causing violence and addiction. Yet three decades of research have failed to produce consensus among scientists.


    But other research groups have concluded factors such as family background, mental health or simply being male are more significant in determining levels of aggression.

    What is certain is that science has failed to find a causal link between video games and real-world acts of violence.

    But away from the controversy, a growing body of work is beginning to show these games in a different light.

    Some benefits:

    Motor skill

    Visual abilities

    Brain growth

    keeping sharp

    AND skills transferable to real world

    details at http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34255492

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    No psychological harm to children who play lots of video games, study says


    2016

    “Time spent playing video games may have positive effects on young children.” That was the headline on a March 2016 press release from Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, promoting a new study co-authored by three members of its faculty.

    Its team of 13 researchers analyzed the video game-playing habits of more than 3,000 children, aged 6 to 11, across Europe back in 2010. They found that children who played at least five hours a week had fewer psychological problems than students who didn’t play video games as much, and were rated by their teachers as better students, both academically and in social adjustment.

    “It’s no longer that kids who play a lot video games are the isolated, techy, brainy kids. What we’re seeing here is that kids who play a lot of video games are socially integrated, they’re prosocial, they have good school functioning and we don’t see any association with adverse mental health outcomes.”

    “It’s the kids who don’t actively engage with their peers around gaming and other types of popular children’s leisure activities that are perhaps more at risk for developing problems,” Keyes added.

    Keyes says there’s never been much scientific evidence among large studies of children to support that video game-playing is harmful.

    It seems likely that at some point, video game-playing does become harmful. [Like I said, all things in 'moderation']

    http://hechingerreport.org/video-games-beneficial/
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Zoomi2007 View Post
    You are soo right may allah bring peace on youAre video games Halal/Haraam???
    ~sign~ my uncle bought an amazon fire for my kids dunno why as expensive but i try only limit it like once or twice a week for half an hour each for each child lol but mostly its for memorising the quran.

    alhamduillah my youngest does run for fire thingy or computer/tv as ive stopped that too you may think im "harsh" but them things are disructive awhile back my daughter was watching this babrie show it had the barbie and ken kissing and stuff i was so shocked!
    Are video games Halal/Haraam???

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Hello Gamers ya won't find this on your gaming sites which tell you gaming is good for you !



    enjoy gaming.

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    That's not only because of gaming. Also there are excercises and protection gear to prevent it.
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    Re: Are video games Halal/Haraam???

    format_quote Originally Posted by fyi View Post
    That's not only because of gaming. Also there are excercises and protection gear to prevent it.
    True,

    but tell me honestly, if regular gamers know of carpal tunnel syndrome before they actually suffer it, or know someone to suffer it?

    And tell me you know how the human condition dictates the (flawed) premise of "it won't happen to me".

    I had carpal tunnel syndrome, and stopped gaming. Barrel rolling 9 times every ten seconds while trying to take a chicane at 900kph would do that though lol

    Scimi

    EDIT: i've now recapped this thread and read some really ignorant posts by members attempting to justify gaming as "beneficial" lol... what a load of idiots.

    I cannot believ these idiots are sourcing from BBC and that blog posing as a movement - Hechinger loool, when I sourced from LIVE SCIENCE... wow.

    Your brains are mush, and you source only to feed your bias - you dishonest Muslims lol

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    shariah permits it but please turn off music and don't put on anything inappropriate

    also remember, to balance your life with Islam
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    I am literally going crazy with Overwatch
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    Re: Are video games Halal/Haraam???

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    True,

    but tell me honestly, if regular gamers know of carpal tunnel syndrome before they actually suffer it, or know someone to suffer it?

    And tell me you know how the human condition dictates the (flawed) premise of "it won't happen to me".

    I had carpal tunnel syndrome, and stopped gaming. Barrel rolling 9 times every ten seconds while trying to take a chicane at 900kph would do that though lol

    Scimi

    EDIT: i've now recapped this thread and read some really ignorant posts by members attempting to justify gaming as "beneficial" lol... what a load of idiots.

    I cannot believ these idiots are sourcing from BBC and that blog posing as a movement - Hechinger loool, when I sourced from LIVE SCIENCE... wow.

    Your brains are mush, and you source only to feed your bias - you dishonest Muslims lol

    Scimi
    Chilllll. You are being too fanatic
    Also this would also mean that working as an IT engineer is wrong and doing hard work(eg port) is wrong. I mean there's no point in delving so deep into it. What Haram is haram and all the rest is ok.
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