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    Five years ago, many people around the world went to Syria to fight against the Syrain regime

    With time, it was evident that they were a group of fools financed by the west!

    Isis destroyed Syria and killed innocent people (Muslims and non Muslims) and they did so many other atrocities...

    However, the Syrian army which is fighting Isis are defending their own country.

    So my questions is this : Do you think that the army of Syria are doing Jihad against these terrorists ?
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    The Syrian Army is fighting for democracy and not for Allaah Ta`aalaa, so what they do is not remotely connected to Jihaad. Jihaad is only Jihaad if it is done for Allaah Ta`aalaa. Jihaad is an `Ibaadah, and thus, like with every other `Ibaadah, the Niyyah must be the Pleasure of Allaah Ta`aalaa and it must be conducted as Allaah Ta`aalaa wants it to be, not according to any person's whims and fancies.
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Yes but there are many soldiers who said that they want to defend their country, do you think that defending their country against people who want to destroy it, is not Jihad ?
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    im extremely ignorant on the matter.

    did the whole thing not start as a challenge for leadership?

    with some groups wanting the president to step down?


    ...who i read recently thinks that a victory in aleppp will drive the terrorists back to turkey..

    whatever that implies.

    i feel things could have gone very differently if the turkey coup had been successful..

    although not sure for whom.

    as it is, i have no idea whos jihad will be accepted.

    only the collateral damage are made to look human.

    the difference between democracy and sharia.. is not the one being televised..

    it is very hard to get a true reflection of either.

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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    I think fighting against ISIS is Jihad because they are killing Muslims and Muslims' saving the lives of Muslims is an Islamic cause let it be done by a secular state. The actors are still Muslims.

    But, of course this doesn't change the fact that the official Syrian army controlled by Esad is cruel. Syrian army killed their own Syrian Muslims as well. Were they all God damn rebels? Children?
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    But, of course this doesn't change the fact that the official Syrian army controlled by Esad is cruel. Syrian army killed their own Syrian Muslims as well. Were they all God damn rebels? Children?
    I do agree that they are cruel, but don't you think that there are many of them who are honorable as well ?
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    The Free Syrian Army are fighting for the purpose of establishing democracy, thus they are fighting for Kufr, and fighting for Taaghoot. They are not fighting to defend Shaam; they are fighting to make Syria a country ruled over by democracy. That is their primary objective. So what they are doing cannot ever be considered Jihaad, just like a person who goes on a diet cannot be considered a "Saa'im" who is doing Sawm, and a person spending money at a shopping mall cannot be considered "giving Zakaah" (by spending on himself at a shop), and a person exercising cannot be considered to be "making Salaah". Actions are according to intentions.

    Those who fight to defend Bashar al-Kalb are obviously Kaafirs, because al-Kalb is an `Alawite Shi`a (`Alawites believe in the Divinity of Hadhrat `Ali رضي الله عنه. They worship him. Even the regular Shi`as consider `Alawites to be Kaafirs).

    A person is only considered to be a Mujaahid if his Jihaad is done fee Sabeelillaah.
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam View Post
    A person is only considered to be a Mujaahid if his Jihaad is done fee Sabeelillaah.
    You think all the soldiers with no exception are not fighting to defend the lives of innocent people or to defend their country from destruction for sabilullah ? You think all of them are only fighting for Bashar and for Democracy ?

    I give you a supposition : If a Syrian Citizen who got his house destroyed and his whole family was killed by Isis and then he joins the army to fight these terrorists only to defened his people and his country for sabilullah, will be this be considered as Jihad or not ? I need you to reply to this question
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by AhmedGassama View Post
    I do agree that they are cruel, but don't you think that there are many of them who are honorable as well ?
    We dont know all the details, if you are living in Syria you would know better than us. What we have seen is Syrians wanted to get rid of Esad and then the army started to bomb people. There may be honorable people in the army as you say but it seems a minority. But everything in Islam starts with intention. If the intention of those honorable minority is to save the lives of Muslims then what they do can be considered Jihad, for me.
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by AhmedGassama View Post
    You think all the soldiers with no exception are not fighting to defend the lives of innocent people or to defend their country from destruction for sabilullah ? You think all of them are only fighting for Bashar and for Democracy ?
    You are not understanding.

    If a person is fighting in the army of Bashar al-Kalb, he is a Kaafir.

    You understand? Let alone Jihaad, if he is in the army of Bashar al-Kalb, he is a Kaafir. He is not Muslim. This shouldn't even be something debated. You are Sunni, or Shi`a? If you are Sunni, then you should know very well that Bashar al-Kalb is an `Alawite Shi`a Kaafir, and his army are Shi`as. They fight for Shaytaan. They fight to worship Shaytaan.
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam View Post
    You are not understanding.

    If a person is fighting in the army of Bashar al-Kalb, he is a Kaafir.

    You understand? Let alone Jihaad, if he is in the army of Bashar al-Kalb, he is a Kaafir. He is not Muslim. This shouldn't even be something debated. You are Sunni, or Shi`a? If you are Sunni, then you should know very well that Bashar al-Kalb is an `Alawite Shi`a Kaafir, and his army are Shi`as. They fight for Shaytaan. They fight to worship Shaytaan.
    Can you explain why are they kuffar ?
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by AhmedGassama View Post
    Can you explain why are they kuffar ?

    يا رجل, هؤلاء الناس, ليس لهم إيمان, ليش هم يقاتلون؟ يقاتلون لأجل صنم الديموقراطيا

    ...أنت تحكي عن العلويين! يا سلام

    هؤلاء زنادقة! يعبدون سيدنا علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه! يكفّرون صحابة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم! يعتقون أن أئمتهم قد خلقوا المخلوقين دون الله تعالى! لو كانوا مسلمين فمن الكفار؟

    إنما المجاهد من جاهد لأجل لا إله إلا الله

    تفهم؟

    القتال إما أن يكون في سبيل الله أو يكون في سبيل الطاغوت, في سبيل الشيطان

    الجهاد فقط القتال في سبيل الله لأجل إعلاء كلمة الله ولنصرة المسلمين المستضعفين ولدفع الكفر ولإقامة شريعة الله في الأرض وليكون الدين كلّه لله كما قال تعالى في كتابه الكريم

    فقاتلوهم حتّى لا تكون فتنة ويكون الدين كلّه لله

    إذاً هذا هو الجهاد الحقيقي

    أيش تقول؟ رجل يقاتل لنصرة أهله - كما زعمت - لكنه يعتقد إعتتقادات كفرية, أي فائدة في قتاله؟ بس يقاتل لتكون شامنا الحبيبة المباركة دولة كفرية تحكم بالأحكام الوضعية, بأحكام الطواغيت

    يا رجل, إنتبه! ليس الأمر كما تقول أو تزعم

    الله هداك للحق

    يقال: مش لازم تقول كل اللي عارفه بس لازم تعرف كل اللي تقول

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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    I actually understood almost all of that^ الحمد للهJihad in Syria

    I always wonder what made some of the Ulama leave SA to "join" ISIS and what were their experiences like and if they are still alive!

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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam View Post

    يا رجل, هؤلاء الناس, ليس لهم إيمان, ليش هم يقاتلون؟ يقاتلون لأجل صنم الديموقراطيا

    ...أنت تحكي عن العلويين! يا سلام

    هؤلاء زنادقة! يعبدون سيدنا علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه! يكفّرون صحابة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم! يعتقون أن أئمتهم قد خلقوا المخلوقين دون الله تعالى! لو كانوا مسلمين فمن الكفار؟

    إنما المجاهد من جاهد لأجل لا إله إلا الله

    تفهم؟

    القتال إما أن يكون في سبيل الله أو يكون في سبيل الطاغوت, في سبيل الشيطان

    الجهاد فقط القتال في سبيل الله لأجل إعلاء كلمة الله ولنصرة المسلمين المستضعفين ولدفع الكفر ولإقامة شريعة الله في الأرض وليكون الدين كلّه لله كما قال تعالى في كتابه الكريم

    فقاتلوهم حتّى لا تكون فتنة ويكون الدين كلّه لله

    إذاً هذا هو الجهاد الحقيقي

    أيش تقول؟ رجل يقاتل لنصرة أهله - كما زعمت - لكنه يعتقد إعتتقادات كفرية, أي فائدة في قتاله؟ بس يقاتل لتكون شامنا الحبيبة المباركة دولة كفرية تحكم بأحكام الوضعية, بأحكام الطواغيت

    يا رجل, إنتبه! ليس الأمر كما تقول أو تزعم

    الله هداك للحق

    يقال: مش لازم تقول كل اللي عارفه بس لازم تعرف كل اللي تقول

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    أريد توضيحاً منك في مسألة: هل أنت سني أم شيعي؟

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    To others whose don´t speak Arabic, could you explain this also by English?
    Jihad in Syria

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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Now slap me if I am wrong, but isn't this Bassar Al Asda person a complete terrorist himself? Isn't he sending his cronies round to torture and mutilate and kill Sunni Muslims?

    Isn't he doing what Saddam was accused of? It's funny that the West are not gunning for Asda's blood the way they went after Saddam. It just makes me wonder if Bassar Al Asda is being assisted by the West etc to clean the land of Sunni Muslims.

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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by AhmedGassama View Post
    Five years ago, many people around the world went to Syria to fight against the Syrain regime

    With time, it was evident that they were a group of fools financed by the west!

    Isis destroyed Syria and killed innocent people (Muslims and non Muslims) and they did so many other atrocities...

    However, the Syrian army which is fighting Isis are defending their own country.

    So my questions is this : Do you think that the army of Syria are doing Jihad against these terrorists ?
    As a non-Muslim, I don't have any particular motivation to like or accept jihad in any era or under any particular set of circumstances. However, I will start by saying this....and perhaps I'll learn something new that will cause me to think differently.

    It seems this way to me, at this point in time. Jihad seems to have made more sense, meaning it was more straightforward and understandable, under circumstances where a tribe of people controls a region because they simply live there and control it. If attacked, they must defend themselves or be destroyed. It's simple, it's understandable.

    When you're talking about any sort of caliphate, especially an aggressively expanding one, then it gets quite a bit more complicated. Lines are blurred, outright survival is not really in question, it's no longer just a single tribe, there is a clear split between military and civilians....or there should be anyway. And in the era of the Westphalian nation-state, in the modern era of war where military targets are ideally the only thing a military tries to hit, when regime change or government reform are the aims and not the total destruction of a people, when the terms of what a country will be like are determined by peace negotiations after the fact and not nearly as much by active fighting on a battlefield....

    It would seem that the terms of jihad in the modern day are, at best, going to be murky and contentious and complicated. And in my estimation, it seems like jihad does not readily have a place in the modern geopolitical sphere. It doesn't fit in, it can't make sense, there are no modern circumstances under which it could possibly be a coherent plan when it comes to foreign policy. Yes of course it's in the Quran, before modern nation-states existed. As applied to semi-nomadic tribal warfare. Before there was a modern concept of a proper military, with rules of engagement pertaining to violence against civilian non-combatants. Things are very different now, and in practical terms, it would seem that jihad is now the exclusive property of terrorism and it has no useful role for regular Muslims.

    This is very much how it seems to me at this time, but I'll keep an eye on the thread and see what everyone else has to say.
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    I'm explaining that Alawites are not Muslims, and thus "Jihaad" does not even come up where they are concerned. If a person doesn't have Imaan, what Jihaad is he fighting?

    I highly recommend that everyone checks out the "Anti-Majos" videos on YouTube. There are a team of brothers who have thoroughly exposed the satanic Shi`a cult in a way no one before them ever has. Don't delay. Go on YouTube, and type in "Anti-Majos". A channel should show up on top of the list: "AntiMajosProduction". It has about 136 videos. The videos are concise. Here are some you should watch first of all:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7BDYBkvbTU (Shia Belief: The real Tawheed is when you worship Faatimah)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP1BWuUc6Us (Shia Belief: The Qur'aan is a Book of Misguidance)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwVude1x0uw (Shia Converts)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTuL215PAEU (Shia Belief: Tawheed is not from the pillars of Shia faith)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFkOYnonkCU (Shia Belief: Allaah follows Shia Imam's will)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IwB5YmIJG0 (Shia Belief: The Female Goddess)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-DKWiRqJYc (Shia Belief: The Qur'aan was Changed by `Uthmaan)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6T1-GDaQwM (Shia Belief: Kamal Haydari rejects finality of Nubuwwah)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSLZROyb9Kk (Shia Belief: Allaah is not One)

    Allaahummah-fazhnaa...

    These are all beliefs of absolute Kufr. And these are the Ithnaa `Ashariyyah (Twelve Imamer Shias)! The Alawites hold even worse beliefs than these! The Alawites are so bad that even these Ithnaa `Ashari Shias call them Kaafirs!

    Bashar al-Kalb and his army are Alawites.

    That says it all.
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by hisnameiszzz View Post
    Now slap me if I am wrong, but isn't this Bassar Al Asda person a complete terrorist himself? Isn't he sending his cronies round to torture and mutilate and kill Sunni Muslims?

    Isn't he doing what Saddam was accused of? It's funny that the West are not gunning for Asda's blood the way they went after Saddam. It just makes me wonder if Bassar Al Asda is being assisted by the West etc to clean the land of Sunni Muslims.
    assad is being kept alive by russian support
    other wise he would have been gaddafie,d and saddamned ages ago

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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Watch these videos wherein the beliefs of the Shias are exposed:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7BDYBkvbTU (Shia Belief: The real Tawheed is when you worship Faatimah)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP1BWuUc6Us (Shia Belief: The Qur'aan is a Book of Misguidance)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwVude1x0uw (Shia Converts)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTuL215PAEU (Shia Belief: Tawheed is not from the pillars of Shia faith)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFkOYnonkCU (Shia Belief: Allaah follows Shia Imam's will)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IwB5YmIJG0 (Shia Belief: The Female Goddess)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-DKWiRqJYc (Shia Belief: The Qur'aan was Changed by `Uthmaan)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6T1-GDaQwM (Shia Belief: Kamal Haydari rejects finality of Nubuwwah)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSLZROyb9Kk (Shia Belief: Allaah is not One)

    ...اللهم احفظنا
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    Re: Jihad in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam View Post
    Bashar al-Kalb and his army are Alawites.

    That says it all.
    Yeah, that's what I have read as well and was trying to say in my previous post.

    Is this Bashar Al Kalb the same as Bassar Al Asda or is it a different one?


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