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    Assalamualaikum,

    The four madhabs are great scholars of Islam. May Allah reward them for their dedication in helping the Islamic world.

    I was born a Muslim but wasn't raised in a family that is practicing so I went away from the deen for majority of my life and only till quite recently I have been back on the right path, I'm not perfect but I try my best.

    majority of mosque near me are deobandi ( i live in london ) and they advise to follow the teachings of abu hanifah strictly and stick to that. Whilst I understand for a laymen, it is almost possible for us to interpret hadiths and Qur'an in a way educated scholars can so we have to rely on the teachings of a respected madhab. My question is, to
    stricly follow one madhab is it permissible?

    In my humble opinion I am of the view that you should have a
    a trusted scholar that you go for Islamic views but to completely stick to one is surely wrong ? The great imams like abu hanifa were only humans and could of made errors so to blindly follow them is wrong.

    In no way am I implying that Indivduals should go and interpret Qur'an and hadiths and issue themselves "fatwas" that is completely wrong for a laymen and this one of the reasons why we have so much extremism in islam - but surely there has to be a middle ground where both sides can meet in which you follow your respected madhab but in issues you feel they are wrong , you can go with another view, but only if you belive sincerely that the view is correct. I'm seeing with my own eyes that Indivduals have doubts over a view of a madhab but because of their strict following of a madhab they are not willing to take another view regardless of the evidence.

    I'm sure this is a topic most people have been through and have different views.
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    Re: Four madhabs

    Waalaikumussalaam,
    Just recently there was similar thread, you may want to look through: https://www.islamicboard.com/general...-new-post.html

    four madhabs vs other sunni's...which one to choose?
    Selamun Aleykum, I would like to ask a question especially to our brothers and sisters who do not follow a madhab and why. This because I wonder what m...

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    Re: Four madhabs

    walaikum assalam rahmatullahi barakatuh

    The reality is that one needs to be qualified as a Mujtahid scholar to perform ijtihad (to derive opinions from Islamic sources and judge one view over another) or otherwise they don't have the complete picture, so even though a laymen (in this context a laymen means anyone not qualified as the utmost scholarly level of mujtahid) might feel he is sincere in his judgement of one view over another, yet he cannot be sincere without the full picture hence he has fallen for some subtle d3ception wether it is the desire to accept a view that's easier or more convenient for him or wether it's following his ego to feel he is using his brain and not being a 'sheep' like the majority

    In regards to the four Imams making mistakes, hadiths say consensus' can never be wrong and the four madhabs have been checked for centuries and in the 12th century the consensus declared that all 4 madhabs are comprehensively correct and there is no need for further verification

    There are a couple of links that if read together it will give a fully comprehensive explanation of the 'following a madhab' stance.

    First link is article by late great Scholar Murabtal hajj and translated by Hamza Yusuf:

    http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/mhfatwa.htm

    S3cond link gives the evidences for the madhabi stance:

    http://masud.co.uk/who-are-the-ahl-a...ah-wal-jamaah/

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    Re: Four madhabs

    Quote Originally Posted by adil1992 View Post
    Assalamualaikum,

    The four madhabs are great scholars of Islam. May Allah reward them for their dedication in helping the Islamic world.

    I was born a Muslim but wasn't raised in a family that is practicing so I went away from the deen for majority of my life and only till quite recently I have been back on the right path, I'm not perfect but I try my best.

    majority of mosque near me are deobandi ( i live in london ) and they advise to follow the teachings of abu hanifah strictly and stick to that. Whilst I understand for a laymen, it is almost possible for us to interpret hadiths and Qur'an in a way educated scholars can so we have to rely on the teachings of a respected madhab. My question is, to
    stricly follow one madhab is it permissible?

    In my humble opinion I am of the view that you should have a
    a trusted scholar that you go for Islamic views but to completely stick to one is surely wrong ? The great imams like abu hanifa were only humans and could of made errors so to blindly follow them is wrong.

    In no way am I implying that Indivduals should go and interpret Qur'an and hadiths and issue themselves "fatwas" that is completely wrong for a laymen and this one of the reasons why we have so much extremism in islam - but surely there has to be a middle ground where both sides can meet in which you follow your respected madhab but in issues you feel they are wrong , you can go with another view, but only if you belive sincerely that the view is correct. I'm seeing with my own eyes that Indivduals have doubts over a view of a madhab but because of their strict following of a madhab they are not willing to take another view regardless of the evidence.

    I'm sure this is a topic most people have been through and have different views.
    no. if you choose a madhab...(which would be my advice) then you have to strictly follow one of them. because it is wrong to mix the individual madhabs together. you are also free to switch madhabs if you need to...but you are not allowed to follow hanafi rules during eating...shaafi rules for praying...maliki rules for wudu...or something like that.
    so choose which one suits you best...and stick to that only one madhab.

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    Re: Four madhabs

    The bayah to the leaders of the time and places of the knowledgeable, wise, and respected scholars would have usually made their opinions legally binding in the areas which were governed by leaders who accepted their opinions - since the leaders had chosen them as primary consultants and rule-setters, and that is how the system of government runs.
    However, after the above mentioned scholars passed away, the bayah to them would end and would go on to the most worthy scholars after them as there is no room for sects in Islam - the precedents they set could be used as references which are to be continually revised according to new issues by trustworthy, wise, and knowledgeable scholars of the age in accordance with the Book of Allah

    The fact that so many people are still following the rulings of dead judges without budging is a sign of intellectual stagnation and lack of trust in the opinions of current scholars.

    The fact that Allah's final messenger Muhammad advised us in his farewell speech to refer to the book of Allah , and that current scholars have a rich amount of combined literature with sifting abilities, consisting of Quran, the interpretations of Allah's messenger Muhammad the four respected scholars, other respected scholars, history, and current findings - is sufficient to tell us that the Muslim ummah has higher goals to reach.


    Al-Baqarah 2:134

    تِلْكَ أُمَّةٌ قَدْ خَلَتْۖ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَلَكُم مَّا كَسَبْتُمْۖ وَلَا تُسْـَٔلُونَ عَمَّا كَانُوا۟ يَعْمَلُونَ

    English - Yusuf Ali

    That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case!

    English - Sahih International

    That was a nation which has passed on. It will have [the consequence of] what it earned, and you will have what you have earned. And you will not be asked about what they used to do.

    -------


    Al-An'am 6:159

    إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا۟ دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا۟ شِيَعًا لَّسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِى شَىْءٍۚ إِنَّمَآ أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُوا۟ يَفْعَلُونَ

    English - Yusuf Ali

    As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

    English - Sahih International

    Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

    ------

    There is a difference between - shi'a imaam Abu Hanifa, Shi'a imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, shi'a imaam Abu Maalik, shi'a imaam Ash-Shaafi' - and i am Muslim li Allah and i hear and obey in accordance to obedience of Allah

    Islam means Submission to Allah and attainment of peace from Him.

    There is the question of baya' and sami'na wa atua'na, and these cannot be given to dead people, but rather to people who are alive and worthy of obedience in Allah's cause - ul al amr min kum - who legislate wisely for Allah's sake.


    If you can't find anyone - then weep to Allah for the weak situation and do what you can to rectify it whilst knowing that obedience is due to Allah and that the judgement and scales are His.

    But please be careful of attempting to give your baya' to a dead body who cannot hear your calls now, and who will reject your baya' to him on the day of judgement, and if you obey ANY ruling whether of past or present, do it only in obedience to Allah as His bondman/woman and not as a bondman/woman held in bounds by the respected dead imaams.

    كتاب الصلاة 2 Prayer (Kitab Al-Salat)
    (240)Chapter: Praying In Sandals(91) باب الصَّلاَةِ فِي النَّعْلِ

    Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:

    While the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was leading his Companions in prayer, he took off his sandals and laid them on his left side; so when the people saw this, they removed their sandals. When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) finished his prayer, he asked: What made you remove your sandals? The replied: We saw you remove your sandals, so we removed our sandals.
    The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) then said: Gabriel came to me and informed me that there was filth in them. When any of you comes to the mosque, he should see; if he finds filth on his sandals, he should wipe it off and pray in them.

    حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ، عَنْ أَبِي نَعَامَةَ السَّعْدِيِّ، عَنْ أَبِي نَضْرَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيِّ، قَالَ بَيْنَمَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يُصَلِّي بِأَصْحَابِهِ إِذْ خَلَعَ نَعْلَيْهِ فَوَضَعَهُمَا عَنْ يَسَارِهِ فَلَمَّا رَأَى ذَلِكَ الْقَوْمُ أَلْقَوْا نِعَالَهُمْ فَلَمَّا قَضَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم صَلاَتَهُ قَالَ ‏"‏ مَا حَمَلَكُمْ عَلَى إِلْقَائِكُمْ نِعَالَكُمْ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالُوا رَأَيْنَاكَ أَلْقَيْتَ نَعْلَيْكَ فَأَلْقَيْنَا نِعَالَنَا ‏.‏ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ إِنَّ جِبْرِيلَ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَتَانِي فَأَخْبَرَنِي أَنَّ فِيهِمَا قَذَرًا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَقَالَ ‏"‏ إِذَا جَاءَ أَحَدُكُمْ إِلَى الْمَسْجِدِ فَلْيَنْظُرْ فَإِنْ رَأَى فِي نَعْلَيْهِ قَذَرًا أَوْ أَذًى فَلْيَمْسَحْهُ وَلْيُصَلِّ فِيهِمَا ‏"‏ ‏.‏

    Grade : Sahih (Al-Albani) صحيح (الألباني) حكم :
    Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 650
    In-book reference : Book 2, Hadith 260
    English translation : Book 2, Hadith 650
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    The four imaams themselves saw that their ultimate pledge was to Allah Whose Hand was over the hands of the leaders to whom they gave allegiance, that is why they were sometimes made to suffer by the leaders and why imaam Ahmad was whipped - however we believe that the Prophet would pray with his right hand over his left, and that imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal only prayed with his hands down because of the physical pain he was in, so when we see people praying with their hands down, i remember the empty droning shell of Tony Blair at "saint Paul's cathedral" reciting rhyming verses that he probably didn't understand a word of as he was chanting them.
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