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    the Quran describes how Mary, the mother of Jesus, was approached by an angel from God, bringing her tidings she had never imagined: that she will give birth to a son, a Messiah, who will be of the righteous and will be a prophet of God, calling the Children of Israel (the Israelites) to the straight path of God.

    “(And mention) when the angels said, ‘O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous.” (Quran 3:45-46)

    Naturally, for Mary, this news was both strange and seemingly impossible.

    “She said, ‘My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?’ (The angel) said, “Such is God; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is. And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.” (Quran 3:47-4

    The very nature of Jesus is so special, that God compares the uniqueness of His creation to that of the first man and prophet, Adam.

    “Indeed, the example of Jesus to God is like that of Adam. He created him from dust; then He said to him, ‘Be,’ and he was.” (Quran 3:59)
    Jesus and His Miracles

    Jesus became one of the greatest prophets of God, and was sent to the Children of Israel in order to confirm the teachings of his predecessor, the Prophet Moses. His birth was a miracle, and, like all prophets of God, he was granted several miracles. He approached his people, telling them:

    “And (make him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (who will say), ‘Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord’ in that I design for you from the clay (that which is) like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of God. And I cure the blind (from birth) and the leper, and I give life to the dead – by permission of God. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. And (I have come) confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey me. Indeed, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path.” (Quran 3:49-51)
    Jesus’s Followers

    The Quran continues the story of Jesus by relating several incidents of his life and his disciples.

    “But when Jesus felt (persistence in) disbelief from them, he said, ‘Who are my supporters for (the cause of) God?’ The disciples said,” We are supporters for God. We have believed in God and testify that we are Muslims (submitting to Him.) Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger (i.e., Jesus), so register us among the witnesses (to truth).” (Quran 3:52-53)

    In another incident, after which an entire surah (chapter) of the Quran is named, the disciples of Jesus asked him for another miracle.

    “(And remember) when the disciples said, ‘O Jesus, Son of Mary, can your Lord send down to us a table (spread with food) from the heaven?’ (Jesus) said, ‘Fear God, if you should be believers.’ They said, ‘We wish to eat from it and let our hearts be reassured and know that you have been truthful to us and be among its witnesses.’ Said Jesus, the son of Mary, ‘O God, our Lord, send down to us a table (spread with food) from the heaven to be for us a festival for the first of us and the last of us and a sign from You. And provide for us, and You are the best of providers.’” (Quran 5:112-114)

    God sent them the table they had asked for, but not without a warning.

    “God said, ‘Indeed, I will sent it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you – then indeed will I punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds.’” (Quran 5:115)
    The End of the Story?

    The story of Jesus never really ends in the Quran, as we are told that Jesus was not killed, but that rather, God raised His beloved prophet up to Him.

    “(Mention) when God said, ‘O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify (i.e., free) you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you (in submission to God alone) superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.’ But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and God does not like the wrongdoers.” (Quran 3:55-57)

    The Quran also points out that Jesus was neither killed nor crucified. Speaking of the Children of Israel, God faults their accusations against Mary as well as their claim that they killed Jesus.

    “And (We cursed them) for their disbelief and their saying against Mary a great slander. And (for) their saying, ‘Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God.’ And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but (another) was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, God raised him to Himself. And ever is God Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran 4:156-15

    The Quran confirms that Jesus was raised up by God, and the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, reassured us that Jesus will be sent down to earth once again before the Day of Judgment. In a saying of Prophet Muhammad, narrated by Abu Hurairah, the Prophet said:

    “By the One in Whose hand is my self, definitely the son of Maryam will soon descend among you as a just judge, and he will break the cross, kill the pig, and abolish the jizyah (tribute), and wealth will be so abundant that no one will accept it, until a single prostration will be better than the world and everything in it.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)


    The Deen Show: The Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus isn't God by Brother Joshua Evans

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    الرد على المبشّرين النصارى - عدنان رشيد


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    الشهود العيان للصلب بين غموض الكتاب المقدس ووضوح القرآن

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    فتاة بريطانيا تسأل عن الإسلام ثم تريد القرآن ! ركن المتحدثين ~ Speakers corner



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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
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    Looks like it is copied from here The Story of Jesus in Brief - The Religion of Islam (islamreligion.com)

    The Story of Jesus in Brief - The Religion of Islam
    Mention of Jesus son of Mary from the Quran and the sayings of Prophet Muhammad. This website is for people of various faiths who seek to understand Islam and Muslims. It contains a lot of brief, yet informative articles about different aspects of Islam. New articles are added every week. Also, it features Live Help through chat....
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    Greetings and peace be with you yasoooo;

    No comment other than thanks for sharing.

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    thank you
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    The Torah in the time of the Prophet Moses, peace be upon him, is in agreement with the Qur’an
    the Gospel in the time of Prophet Isa, peace be upon him, is consistent with the Qur’an

    but now


    According to Islam, both the Torah and the New Testament have been corrupted.


    So God sent the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, with the Qur’an to correct the distortion





    For example, in the Torah, God curses Adam and Eve for their disobedience and gives all women birth pains as punishment. In the Qur’an he forgives them when they repent

    In the Qur’an, God forbids alcohol, immorality, usury, gambling, eating pork, worshiping man, and considering him as a god.
    All this is done by Jews and Christians
    And contrary to the teachings of the Qur’an
    The Qur’an discourages interest in the content of distorted books that oppose it




    Jewish scholars and rabbis not only interpreted the Torah parallel to their own understanding in the matters they could not find certain answers, but also added the texts they approved and removed certain parts. Consequently, those additions and deletions made the real Torah unidentifiable.

    A similar kind of distortion is also in the Gospel. Christian priests added their own understandings of religion, their own interpretations and fancy ideas into Allah's Word, the Gospel and thus made that divine book almost unrecognizable. The Qur'an explains those ugly distortions by the Jewish and the Christian religious functionaries of divine scriptures this way: “O you who believe! Many among the rabbis and monks do indeed consume the wealth of people in legally invalid, wrongful ways (such as changing the Book's commandments in return for worldly benefit, bribery, and using religion as a means of worldly gain) and bar them from God's way.” (At-Taubah, 9:34). As is understood from that verse, certain rabbis and priests changed the verses in divine scriptures in exchange for worldly gains or interpreted them according to their own fancy. They especially distorted the verses about the prophethood of Muhammad, peace and blessings upon him, and tried to destroy the verses of the Scripture which give the good news of the coming of Prophet Muhammad after Prophet Jesus, peace and blessing upon them.

    Those rabbis and priests did not suffice with it; they claimed that the additions they inserted into divine scriptures were the original text. Thus, those rabbis' and priests' philosophy of history, explanation, interpretation, and their views in other branches of knowledge entered the Collection of the Scripture and thus became almost a part of the Word of Allah.

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    العقيدة الإسلامية بسيطة | عثمان بن فاروق في حوار مع مسيحيين Speakers Corner | Hyde Park



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    Paul brought about in Christianity dangerous events, from monotheism to the Trinity, and said about the divinity of Christ, and the divinity of the Holy Spirit, and invented the story of redemption to atone for human mistakes,

    and abolished the features that Jesus himself called for, such as circumcision and not eating meat. The pig, in a word, created a new religion

    Christians follow Paul, not Christ, but Muslims follow the teachings of all the prophets, from Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them

    Jesus purified himself with washing prior to prayer, as was the practice of the pious prophets who preceded him (see Exodus 40:31-32 in reference to Moses and Aaron), and as is the practice of Muslims.

    2. Jesus prayed in prostration (Matthew 26:39), like the other prophets (see Nehemiah 8:6 with regard to Ezra and the people, Joshua 5:14 for Joshua, Genesis 17:3 and 24:52 for Abraham, Exodus 34:8 and Numbers 20:6 for Moses and Aaron). Who prays like that, Christians or Muslims?

    3. Jesus fasted for more than a month at a time (Matthew 4:2 and Luke 4:2), as did the pious before him (Exodus 34:28, I Kings 19:, and as do Muslims in the annual fast of the month of Ramadan.

    4. Jesus made pilgrimage for the purpose of worship, as all Orthodox Jews aspire to do. The Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca is well known, and is alluded to in the Bible (see The First and Final Commandment).


    5. Jesus taught the oneness of God (Mark 12:29-30, Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27), as conveyed in the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). Nowhere did he declare the Trinity.

    6. Jesus declared himself a man and a prophet of God and nowhere claimed divinity or divine sonship. Which creed are the above points more consistent with—the Trinitarian formula or the absolute monotheism of Islam?

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    مناظرة جميلة* هل تتبعون يسوع (عيسى)؟ عدنان رشيد وهاشم في حوار مع امرأة مسيحية*
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    كيف كان المسيح عليه السلام يصلى؟ || ?How Did Jesus (as) Pray

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9KxlbMOJPI

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    Christ is just a prophet

    everyone that was alive when Jesus walked considered him a Prophet.


    And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.” (Matthew 21:11)

    The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet.(John 4:19)

    When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. (Matthew 21:46)

    So they *said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?” And he said, “He is a prophet.” (John 9:17)
    (interesting footnote, even those he gave vision to considered him a prophet)

    And He said to them, “What things?” And they said to Him, “The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, (Luke 24:19)



    Bible says that God is not man
    ‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
    ‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

    Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
    ‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

    ‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

    ‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

    ‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)
    The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
    Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)

    And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)

    Jesus did not teach people that he was God
    If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.

    The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
    ‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
    ‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

    Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

    Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
    ‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

    ‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)
    The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

    If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself
    Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God


    من هو الإله الحق؟ هاشم ومنصور في حوار مع مسيحيين الجزء الأول
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    من هو الإله الحق؟ هاشم ومنصور في حوار مع مسيحيين الجزء الثاني

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    أثبت لي أن عيسى هو المسيح الذي سيأتي في آخر الزمان! عدنان رشيد في حوار مع زائر
    الداعية الأمريكي خالد ياسين يتحدى الإعلام - مترجم - Khalid Yasin's Challenge to the Media
    فتحت الإنجيل والقرآن عشوائيًا - النتيجة غير متوقعة
    لماذا من العدل أن يُقتل إنساناً بريئاً؟ حوار هاشم مع مسيحيين
    أمريكية من طائفة شهود يهوه كانت تظن أنها
    على الحق الكامل حتى عرفت الإسلام
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    99 Names of Allah with Meaning And Benefits

    In Surah Al-A’raf Ayah 180 it says:

    وَلِلَّهِ ٱلْأَسْمَآءُ ٱلْحُسْنَىٰ فَٱدْعُوهُ بِهَا ۖ وَذَرُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ يُلْحِدُونَ فِىٓ أَسْمَٰٓئِهِۦ ۚ سَيُجْزَوْنَ مَا كَانُوا۟ يَعْمَلُونَ

    “And to Allah belong the best names, so invoke Him by them. And leave [the company of] those who practice deviation concerning His names. They will be recompensed for what they have been doing.”

    Hadith from Al-Bukhari #7392 which Abu Huraira Reports the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) as saying, “Allah has ninety-nine Names, one-hundred less one; and he who memorized them all by heart will enter Paradise.”

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    Asma ul Husna with Meaning

    1.

    الرَّحْمَنُ
    Ar-Rahmaan
    (The Beneficent)

    He who wills goodness and mercy for all His creatures


    2.

    الرَّحِيمُ
    Ar-Raheem

    (The Merciful)

    He who acts with extreme kindness


    3.

    الْمَلِكُ
    Al-Malik

    (The Eternal Lord)

    The Sovereign Lord, The One with the complete Dominion, the One Whose Dominion is clear from imperfection


    4.

    الْقُدُّوسُ
    Al-Quddus

    (The Most Sacred / The Most Holy)

    The One who is pure from any imperfection and clear from children and adversaries


    5.

    السَّلاَمُ
    As-Salam

    (The Giver of Peace)

    The One who is free from every imperfection.


    6.

    الْمُؤْمِنُ
    Al-Mu’min

    (The Infuser of Faith)

    The One who witnessed for Himself that no one is God but Him. And He witnessed for His believers that they are truthful in their belief that no one is God but Him


    7.

    الْمُهَيْمِنُ
    Al-Muhaymin

    (The Protector)

    The One who witnesses the saying and deeds of His creatures


    8.

    الْعَزِيزُ
    Al-Aziz

    (The Mighty One)

    The Strong, The Defeater who is not defeated


    99 gods vs 99 names of one God | Daily Reminders


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    . What does “Son of God” mean in the first place? No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage. Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks.





    …while others shout, “But God can do anything!” The Islamic position, however, is that God doesn’t do inappropriate things, only Godly things. In the Islamic viewpoint, God’s character is integral with His being and consistent with His majesty.

    “…How can He have a son when He has no consort?...” (Quran 6:101)

    many scholars conclude that “Son of God” is metaphorical and, as with christos, doesn’t imply exclusivity. After all, The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion confirms that in Jewish idiom “Son of God” is clearly metaphorical. To quote, “Son of God, term occasionally found in Jewish literature, biblical and post-biblical, but nowhere implying physical descent from the Godhead.

    And in any case, the list of candidates for “son of God” begins with Adam, as per Luke 3:38: “...Adam, which was the son of God.”



    Examples include:

    Genesis 6:2, “That the sons of God saw the daughters of men…”

    Genesis 6:4, “There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men…”

    Deuteronomy 14:1, “Ye are the children of the Lord your God.”

    Job 1:6, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD…”

    Job 2:1, “Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD…”

    Job 38:7, “When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

    Philippians 2:15, “that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation…”

    1 John 3:1-2, “Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! … Beloved, now we are children of God…”

    In Matthew 5:9 Jesus says, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” Later in Matthew 5:45, Jesus prescribed to his followers the attainment of noble attributes, “that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.” Not exclusively his Father, but their Father


    Why Jesus is not Son of God? - Dr. Zakir Naik - Questioner accepts Islam

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    أقوى 8 أسباب تنفي كون المسيح ابن الله | د. لورنس براون

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    Why Jesus said: I am the way and the truth and the life


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    Christmas and 25th of December
    Many Christians are unaware that the true spirit of reverence which Muslims display towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of their faith as prescribed in the Holy Quran. Most do not know that a Muslim does not take the name of Jesus , without saying Eesa alai-hiss-salaam i.e. (Jesus peace be upon him).




    Jesus is commonly considered to have been born on the 25th of December. However, it is common knowledge among Christian scholars that he was not born on this day. It is well known that the first Christian churches held their festival in May, April, or January. Scholars of the first two centuries AD even differ in which year he was born. Some believing that he was born fully twenty years before the current accepted date. So how was the 25th of December selected as the birthday of Jesus ?




    Grolier's encyclopedia says: "Christmas is the feast of the birth of Jesus Christ, celebrated on December 25 ... Despite the beliefs about Christ that the birth stories expressed, the church did not observe a festival for the celebration of the event until the 4th century.... since 274, under the emperor Aurelian, Rome had celebrated the feast of the "Invincible Sun" on December 25. In the Eastern Church, January 6, a day also associated with the winter solstice, was initially preferred. In course of time, however, the West added the Eastern date as the Feast of the Epiphany, and the East added the Western date of Christmas".



    So who else celebrated the 25th of December as the birth day of their gods before it was agreed upon as the birth day of Jesus ? Well, there are the people of India who rejoice, decorate their houses with garlands, and give presents to their friends on this day. The people of China also celebrate this day and close their shops. Buddha is believed to have been born on this day. The great savior and god of the Persians, Mithras, is also believed to have been born on the 25th of December long before the coming of Jesus

    .
    The Egyptians celebrated this day as the birth day of their great savior Horus, the Egyptian god of light and the son of the "virgin mother" and "queen of the heavens" Isis. Osiris, god of the dead and the underworld in Egypt, the son of "the holy virgin", again was believed to have been born on the 25th of December.




    The Greeks celebrated the 25th of December as the birthday of Hercules, the son of the supreme god of the Greeks, Zeus, through the mortal woman Alcmene Bacchus, the god of wine and revelry among the Romans (known among the Greeks as Dionysus) was also born on this day.




    Adonis, revered as a "dying-and-rising god" among the Greeks, miraculously was also born on the 25th of December. His worshipers held him a yearly festival representing his death and resurrection, in midsummer. The ceremonies of his birthday are recorded to have taken place in the same cave in Bethlehem which is claimed to have been the birth place of Jesus .
    The Scandinavians celebrated the 25th of December as the birthday of their god Freyr, the son of their supreme god of the heavens, Odin.




    The Romans observed this day as the birthday of the god of the sun, Natalis Solis Invicti ("Birthday of Sol the invincible"). There was great rejoicing and all shops were closed. There was illumination and public games. Presents were exchanged, and the slaves were indulged in great liberties. These are the same Romans who would later preside over the council of Nicea (325 CE) which lead to the official Christian recognition of the "Trinity" as the "true" nature of God, and the "fact" that Jesus was born on the 25th of December
    too.



    In Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Gibbon says: "The Roman Christians, ignorant of his (Christ's) birth, fixed the solemn festival to the 25th of December, the Brumalia, or Winter Solstice, when the Pagans annually celebrated the birth of Sol " vol. ii, p. 383.





    Christians opposed to Christmas
    There are several Christian groups who are opposed to Christmas. For example, they take the verse from the Bible in Jeremiah 10:2-4 as an admonition against decorating Christmas trees.
    The King James Version reads: "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen.... For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."




    In order to understand this subject, it is helpful to trace some of the history of Christmas avoidance, particularly its roots in Puritanism.
    The Puritans believed that the first-century church modeled a Christianity that modern Christians should copy. They attempted to base their faith and practice solely on the New Testament, and their position on Christmas reflected their commitment to practice a pure, scriptural form of Christianity. Puritans argued that God reserved to himself the determination of all proper forms of worship, and that he disapproved of any human innovations - even innovations that celebrated the great events of salvation. The name Christmas also alienated many Puritans.




    Christmas, after all, meant "the mass of Christ." The mass was despised as a Roman Catholic institution that undermined the Protestant concept of Christ, who offered himself once for all. The Puritans' passionate avoidance of any practice that was associated with papal Rome caused them to overlook the fact that in many countries the name for the day had nothing to do with the Catholic mass, but focused instead on Jesus' birth. The mass did not evolve into the form abhorred by Protestants until long after Christmas was widely observed. The two customs had separate, though interconnected, histories.




    As ardent Protestants, Puritans identified the embracing of Christianity by the Roman Emperor Constantine in the early 300s CE as the starting point of the degeneration and corruption of the church. They believed the corruption of the church was brought on by the interweaving of the church with the pagan Roman state. To Puritans, Christmas was impure because it entered the Roman Church sometime in this period. No one knows the exact year or under what circumstances Roman Christians began to celebrate the birth of


    their Lord, but by the mid-300s CE, the practice was well established.


    مسيحية تتهجم على يوسف استس وتقول له كيف تتجرأ أن تترك المسيحية فدمر سؤلها بدقائق

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2nWd2V6MdA

    أحمد ديدات - من هو أبو المسيح عليه السلام - YouTube




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19ejqMYNwrY

    when Christ was born Ahmed Deedat a lecture debates youtube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFfPTgHee6c


    حكم التهنئة بالكريسماس - ذاكر نايك Zakir Naik
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X5pDQQ9EU8

    Christ in Islam a sequel (full studio debate) - Sheikh Ahmed ...


    ولادة عيسى عليه السلام وفقاً لما ورد في القرآن الكريم || الدكتور ذاكر نايك

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idtASxe6XkU


    أحمد ديدات يحدد ميلاد عيسى عليه السلام


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    someone told me;
    I agree with you, however, that Jesus Christ was send as a messenger by God, nothing else. Jesus said so himself as quoted in John 7:16: "I am not teaching you my own thoughts, but those of God who sent me."

    Much of the blame for distoring the mission of Jesus Christ belongs to the apostle Paul

    so

    Jesus Christ peace be upon him
    Not sacrificed for any one

    e.x
    You have a disease
    Then comes your brother
    Receive treatment instead of you

    Is this acceptable to the logic of the mind?

    Death to the people who worshiped the calf is repentance
    At the time of the Prophet Moses, peace be upon him

    Then
    At the time of the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him

    Law requires repentance from sin without having to death

    Jesus Christ peace be upon him
    Not sacrificed for any one


    (the soul that sinneth, it shall die)


    Each person is responsible for his actions

    (the soul that sinneth, it shall die)

    “If a man is righteous and does what is lawful and right...he is righteous, he shall surely live...If he begets a son who...has done all these abominable things; he (the son) shall surely die...the son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father for the iniquity of the son.” (Ezekiel 18:5-20)

    “Every one shall die for his own sin.” (Jeremiah 31:30)


    احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in T ...
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    عثمان بن فاروق يفاجئ زوجين غير مسلمين مؤدبين بمعلومات من الكتاب المقدس
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3KsIEuietA

    هاشم في حوار جديد مع مسيحيين حول نبوءة الكتاب المقدس عن رسول الله
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YmAJ3HGBK0

    طبيعة يسوع - أنور و مبشر في ركن الخطباء
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-WOvdm3vto



    أوروبا تحتاج للإسلام - حوار حمزة مع زائر

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    There are several key verses which Christians use to prove the biblical origin of the Trinity. Upon analysis of these verses, one can clearly see that they do not prove the Trinity, but rather the same monotheistic message of God. One of the most frequently cited passages from the Bible is Isaiah 9:6-7, from which Christians conclude that the Messiah must be God incarnate. The passage states:



    “or a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness from then on and forevermore the zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.”



    That Isaiah 9:6 has been misinterpreted can be seen from the fact that Jesus is never called the “Eternal Father” anywhere else in Bible. Since the Trinitarian doctrine teaches that Christians should “neither confound the Persons nor divide the Substance” (Athanasian Creed), how can the Trinitarians accept that Jesus is the “Eternal Father”? Let us consider additional facts impartially.

    First, all the Hebrew verb forms in Isaiah 9:6 are in the past tense. For example, the word which the Christian Bibles render as “his name will be called” is the two words ‘vayikra shemo,’ which properly translated, should read “his name was called.” The word “vayikra” is the first word to appear in the book of Leviticus (1:1), and it is translated properly over there – in the past tense. In addition, the King James Version translates the same verbs elsewhere in the past tense in Genesis 4:26 and Isaiah 5:25. Only in Isaiah 9:6-7 are these verbs translated in the future tense!



    Notice that it says “a child HAS been born to us.” This is an event that has just occurred, not a future event. Isaiah is not making a prophecy, but recounting history. A future event would say a child will be born to us, but this is NOT what the verse says. The Christian translations capitalize the word ‘son’ assuming that this is a messianic prophecy and the names of a divine son.



    Second, the two letter word “is”, is usually not stated in Hebrew. Rather, “is” is understood. For example, the words “hakelev” (the dog) and “gadol” (big), when joined into a sentence - hakelev gadol - means “the dog IS big,” even though no Hebrew word in that sentence represents the word “is.” A more accurate translation of the name of that child, then, would be “A wonderful counselor is the mighty God, the everlasting father ...”. This name describes God, not the person who carries the name. The name Isaiah itself means “God is salvation,” but no one believes the prophet himself is God in a human body!



    Third, the phrase “Mighty God” is a poor translation according to some biblical scholars. Although English makes a clear distinction between “God” and “god,” the Hebrew language, which has only capital letters, cannot. The Hebrew word “God” had a much wider range of application than it does in English. Some suggest a better translation for the English reader would be “mighty hero,” or “divine hero.” Both Martin Luther and James Moffatt translated the phrase as “divine hero” in their Bibles.

    Fourth, according to the New Testament, Jesus was never called any of these names in his lifetime.

    Fifth, if Isaiah 9:6 is taken to refer to Jesus, then Jesus is the Father! And this is against the Trinitarian doctrine.

    Sixth, the fact that the New Testament does not quote this passage shows that even the New Testament authors didn’t take this verse to be in reference to Jesus.


    Seventh, the passage is talking about the wonders performed by the Lord for Hezekiah, king of Judah. Preceding verses in Isaiah 9 talk of a great military triumph by Israel over its enemies. At the time Isaiah is said to have written this passage, God had just delivered King Hezekiah and Jerusalem from a siege laid by the Assyrians under General Sennacherib. The deliverance is said to have been accomplished in spectacular fashion: an angel went into the Assyrian camp and killed 185,000 soldiers while they slept.


    When Sennacherib awoke to find his army decimated, he and the remaining soldiers fled, where he was assassinated by his own sons (Isaiah 37:36-3. Chapters 36 and 37 of Isaiah recount how Hezekiah stood firm in the face of Sennacherib’s vast army and his blasphemous words against the God. When all seemed lost, Hezekiah continued to trust in the Lord, and for this he was rewarded with a miraculous victory. It is interesting to note that the statement, “the zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this,” found at the end of Isaiah 9:7, is found in only two other places in the Bible: Isaiah 37:32 and 2 Kings 19:31. Both these passages discuss the miraculous deliverance of Hezekiah by God. Therefore, in light of the above, Isaiah is recounting God’s defense of Jerusalem during the Assyrian siege. Furthermore, Soncino’s commentary says the chapter is about the fall of Assyria and the announcement of the birth of Hezekiah, the son of Ahaz.

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    Thanks for sharing info, I know what your point is. I am just throwing my opinion.
    One can’t just compare Jesus with current day Christians. One need to understand the dominant race in Christianity and their background, how they accepted this religion and how it impacted their daily lives.
    Jesus was a Prophet, like Abraham, Moses and Muhammed peace be upon them.
    The Christians of today's days are product of Roman Empire’s conveniently adoption of Jesus’ religion in 3rd century.
    The Europeans had a mixed and scattered culture for thousands of years, with pagan beliefs and other fairy tales dominating the landscape.


    With the advent of Christianity in Europe, the locals adopted the religion very quickly, as it did not confronted with their life styles and culture.
    Under Constantine who imported (officially) the religion in Europe, Romans ensured that the new religion is in full compliance to their culture and rituals.

    For example, during the counsel of Nicaea several aspects of belief systems were standardized before masses (of Europe, non-Semitics, Caucasians) can have a hold onto different version of Bible or common daily life practices of Orthodox Jews. The East Bazentine, new Roman Empire to the central Europe and pockets of other areas in North were mainly pagan at that time.

    So sculptures, divine figures, certain celebrations, festivities were part of their social life. Moral values were as good as any other region of that time (The middle-east that had Jewish population and influence on others were considered very conservatives, so you can imagine what was going on in Europe), drinking and pork eating was normal and commonly practiced.


    So the importer of the new religion made sure that standards set by Bible for Isrealites must not collide with the relaxed (no restrictions) attitude of Europeans towards religion. They customized the religion to best suite the new tenants that eventually became the torch bearer of Christianity within few centuries.

    The original followers and preachers fell in the background and eventually forgotten. The religion totally changed and took new course where , whatever they do, keep His sculpture in Church, follow the re-branded customs of pagans with renewed stories linked to Jesus for every celebration and festivals, drink and eat pork as before and create excuses (from Jesus’ life) for everything that they do against the Ten Commandments.


    Dr Zakir Naik uses Bible to prove Trinity is a Lie - YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ZOFm5AguQ


    How The Bible led me to Islamجاشوا افنز : كيف قادني الكتاب المقدس للإسلام - كامل


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