It seems that every time I check for new posts on this forum, there is a new one pertaining to a sisters love of hijab. I did a search for "hijab" and found 482 threads. I understand that Muslim sisters value their hijab. However, I would like to know what motivates the Muslim sisters to continuously seek out poems and articles about the hijab.
1. Do you feel that you are placed in a position in which you must defend your hijab, on a regular basis?
2. Does the hijab define you as a woman and a person?
3. Is the hijab one of the more important issues facing Muslim women in todays society?
Thank you for helping me with my continuous research pertaining to Islam.
I have read in multiple sources that the term "hijab" is in the Quran a few times, but is not defined as it is today.
my dear sister,
Sister if I do recall and please correct me if I'm wrong,but you do live in Minnesota right?As you probably know Minnesota has a very large Somali and Arab population,so if you go to any of the different masjids and observe the jilbab the sisters wear.Then you'll recognize that the Somali and Arab sisters have their own different ways of wearing the jilbab.The Somali sisters wear a big,hard built nicely decorated Jilbab,while the Arab sisters wear the Abaya and what not.Both sisters from each side have approached many sheiks asking them which version of the jilbab was the right version of the jilbab.The Sheiks always agreed with the Somali sisters since their jilbab was closest to the discription of how the jilbab should be.
The Ayah:"(to draw their Jalabib over their bodies.)."
This Ayah when explained by Ibn Kathir said, "Here Allah tells His Messenger to command the believing women -- especially his wives and daughters, because of their position of honor -- to draw their Jilbabs over their bodies, so that they will be distinct in their appearance from the women of the Jahiliyyah and from slave women. The Jilbab is a Rida', worn over the Khimar. This was the view of Ibn Mas`ud, `Ubaydah, Qatadah, Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Ibrahim An-Nakha`i, `Ata' Al-Khurasani and others. It is like the Izar used today. Al-Jawhari said: "The Jilbab is the outer wrapper. `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said that Allah commanded the believing women, when they went out of their houses for some need, to cover their faces from above their heads with the Jilbab, leaving only one eye showing."
The different cultures interpretted this Ayah in different ways and took it as that,but sister I would just like to point out to you that "Jilbab isn't only used for the covering worn over the Muslim females body,but along with that Jilbab comes the jilbab of the eyes,heart,intentions,and behavior.
Sister if I do recall and please correct me if I'm wrong,but you do live in Minnesota right?
Actually, I've never been to Minnesota.
The different cultures interpretted this Ayah in different ways and took it as that,but sister I would just like to point out to you that "Jilbab isn't only used for the covering worn over the Muslim females body,but along with that Jilbab comes the jilbab of the eyes,heart,intentions,and behavior.
Do you think that it is possible to to jihab of the eyes, heart, intentions, and behavior without the physical jihab (garment)?
Ideally this may be true. However, do you ignore that different sects exist in Islam?
I hear many people, both scholars and ordinaries, say that they belong to different Islams; but I know of only one Islam-- to obey Allah and obey the prophet. I feel I do not belong personally to any of the many Islams that some people recognize. I belong to the only Islam I have known from the Quran which has been taught to us by Muhammed (pbuh).
Why are you ignoring the fact that many women during pre-Islamic times did dress modestly?
You believe in the Qur'an, don't you? The Qur'an tells believing women, 'Don't display yourselves in the way of those in the pre-islamic period'. The Qur'an has described the cultural norm of the arab society - to display themselves in a manner that the Qur'an deems impermissable. This is a simple fact. The Qur'an clearly prohibits the pre-islamic cultural dress, thus demolishing the claim of anyone who suggests that the Islamic dress was inherited from cultural tradition.
Did you view my link?
Greco-roman dress has nothing to do with it. The Qur'an forbids Muslim women to dress in the pre-islamic arab fashion.
When one examines the definition of jihiliyya and applies the definition to the cultural dresss during pre-Islamic times, I do not see how one can conclude that all women dressed impermissable (according to the Quran).
I never said all women in Jahiliyyah dressed in an immodest fashion. The Christian nuns have maintained a dress very similar to the Muslim women. But the fact is, to claim that the Muslim dress was simply cultural is refuted by the Qur'an itself since the Qur'an prohibits Muslim women to display themselves according to the cultural dress of pre-islamic arabs.
The Shia's and Sunni's study different branches. Is this not correct?
No. They have different beliefs that they teach within those sciences, but that has nothing to do with what sciences of Shari'ah you study. Do you have something to hide? No one is going to attack you for telling us what branches of Shari'ah you've studied, if you have studied any at all. We only want to guage your current understanding, in order to assist you in learning.
Reagrds
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
I hear many people, both scholars and ordinaries, say that they belong to different Islams; but I know of only one Islam-- to obey Allah and obey the prophet. I feel I do not belong personally to any of the many Islams that some people recognize. I belong to the only Islam I have known from the Quran which has been taught to us by Muhammed (pbuh).
You believe in the Qur'an, don't you? The Qur'an tells believing women, 'Don't display yourselves in the way of those in the pre-islamic period'. The Qur'an has described the cultural norm of the arab society - to display themselves in a manner that the Qur'an deems impermissable. This is a simple fact. The Qur'an clearly prohibits the pre-islamic cultural dress, thus demolishing the claim of anyone who suggests that the Islamic dress was inherited from cultural tradition.
Yes, I believe the Quran. However, I believe you and I either have different translations, or interpret our verses differently.
Greco-roman dress has nothing to do with it. The Qur'an forbids Muslim women to dress in the pre-islamic arab fashion.
Uh....my point is the Greco-Roman dress was very much the same as the Islamic fashion (sometimes identical).
I never said all women in Jahiliyyah dressed in an immodest fashion. The Christian nuns have maintained a dress very similar to the Muslim women. But the fact is, to claim that the Muslim dress was simply cultural is refuted by the Qur'an itself since the Qur'an prohibits Muslim women to display themselves according to the cultural dress of pre-islamic arabs.
No. They have different beliefs that they teach within those sciences, but that has nothing to do with what sciences of Shari'ah you study. Do you have something to hide? No one is going to attack you for telling us what branches of Shari'ah you've studied, if you have studied any at all. We only want to guage your current understanding, in order to assist you in learning.
Yes, I believe the Quran. However, I believe you and I either have different translations, or interpret our verses differently.
I'm not providing any personal opinion or interpretation here, I'm stating fact.
Uh....my point is the Greco-Roman dress was very much the same as the Islamic fashion (sometimes identical).
So what? The notion that the hijab is a cultural practice is demolished when the Qur'an clearly forbids women to dispaly themselves in the pre-islamic arab fashion.
more to come....
I hope it includes the branches of Shari'ah you've studied, because I'm really interested in finding out the extent of your study of Islam so that we can better assist you in future learning.
Regards
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
Do you think that it is possible to to jihab of the eyes, heart, intentions, and behavior without the physical jihab (garment)?
Sister No I don't think that's possible since the Jilbab worn over the Muslim females body is a commandment from Allah which can't be changed.Even though behavioral jilbab isn't possible without the Jilbab(garment),but the same can be said that there's no reason for the physical jilbab if the sisters Akhlaq isn't even firmly fixed.Many times have I been a witness to many sisters whom even though they're covered,but actually freely talk and associate with men.The reason for the Jilbab in the first place was to protect the women's chastity and to ensure her safety from getting molested,but if the sister is freely mixing with men,then the physical Jilbab wouldn't be of any importance since the sister has already removed the veil of chastity from her self and exposed herself to molestation and assault.
Oh really?You've never been to Minnesota? I could've swore I read somewhere in this forum that you were from Minnesota
Ansar, why are you so interested in what sciences of the Shariah I study? I do not have anything to hide.
You state, "No. They have different beliefs that they teach within those sciences, but that has nothing to do with what sciences of Shari'ah you study. Do you have something to hide? No one is going to attack you for telling us what branches of Shari'ah you've studied, if you have studied any at all. We only want to guage your current understanding, in order to assist you in learning."
First of all, you are questioning if I studied any at all (after I stated I had). I'm a big girl. If you want to call me a liar, by all means do! I on the other hand I feel no desire to question what you feel to be the truth behind your words.
Secondly, it is common knowledge that Shia's and Sunni's tend to study different schools of thought. Most Shia's follow Jaafari.
Thirdly, you state that I won't be attacked if I state the school of thoughts I've studied. This is incorrect. Since I've joined this forum and stated that my fiance was Iraqi, I've received numerous messages stating that he "must be a Shia, and they are not real Muslims". I've been told that I need to avoid Shia Islam and seek out the Sunni sect. I've been sent links which are anti-Shia. I realize that the Islamicboard is not responsible for private messages or emails I receive; however, the mere fact that I do receive such messages/emails makes me reluctant to delve deeply into any issue which I believe may cause a sectarian issue.
Lastly, since you so greatly wish to know the schools of thought I've studied, I'll provide them. Most of my study was with the Maliki school (introduced to me in my youth by an Egyptian neighbor). However, I must admit that I haven't concentrated just on the Maliki school of thought. In fact, I pay little attention to the different schools. Within the last year I've been exposed to the Jaafari school of thought from my fiance and his family.
Now if any forum member is concerned that I am being exposed to the incorrect school of thought, please feel free to email me your insults. Just be advised that I delete your messages/emails, roll my eyes, laugh a bit, and go on with my day.
One link outlining Greco Roman attire of women prior to Islam.
Thats a nice link, although there is no evidence whatsoever that this was the clothes of the Jahiliyyah. Rather there are hadith that state the opposite of the dress code before Islam.
Thats a nice link, although there is no evidence whatsoever that this was the clothes of the Jahiliyyah. Rather there are hadith that state the opposite of the dress code before Islam.
If one considers the time period in discussion then it is evidence.:sister:
If one considers the time period in discussion then it is evidence.
Im sorry but its not, at most its very wish washy. Just because one group of people in one Land or region practised something does not neccessarily mean others did aswell.
I'm not providing any personal opinion or interpretation here, I'm stating fact.
Okay. I respect your fact.
So what? The notion that the hijab is a cultural practice is demolished when the Qur'an clearly forbids women to dispaly themselves in the pre-islamic arab fashion.
If the Quran forbids women to dress in pre-islamic fashion, and pre-islamic fashion included the modest dress of Islamic women, then perhaps we've found a contradiction in the Quran. I shutter at this thought, but will address it with some knowledgeable Muslims that I know.
He didn't ask you about which school of thought you've studied under, he asked you about which branch of the Shari'ah you've studied. There's a big difference.
About the link... If you look at the pictures, you'll see that the women didn't dress according to the Islamic requirements anyway, since they didn't cover their upper chest area (throats).
Ansar, why are you so interested in what sciences of the Shariah I study?
I already explained it to you - we want to guage your understanding of Islam. You claim you've studied Shari'ah, so I want to know which branches of Shari'ah you've studied. From what you post it is quite obvious that your knowledge of the Shari'ah is minimal. You couldn't identify the branches of Shari'ah if they were right in front of you, and this post is proof of it. Instead of telling me which branch of Shari'ah you've studied, you start talking about Madhâhib. I didn't ask you anything about schools of thought, I asked you which branch of Shari'ah you studied, but evidently you cannot distinguish between the two.
If the Quran forbids women to dress in pre-islamic fashion, and pre-islamic fashion included the modest dress of Islamic women, then perhaps we've found a contradiction in the Quran.
No, your interpretation contradicts the Qur'an, and that is why it is invalid. I already explained this simple issue to you. There have been many women who have dressed in a modest fashion before the Qur'an. The Qur'an is not speaking about them at all. It simply forbids Muslim women to dress according to the cultural norms of the Jahiliyya times. And since they were not leaving in greece or rome, for you to speak of Greco-roman dress is utterly irrelevant.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
perhaps the reason why there is such a focus on the hijab by the muslim women is because of the intense focus this aspect of islam recieves from the west. Obviously everywhere you go you hear about hijab which is linked to oppression. I myself am placed in several situations at a constant rate where have to defend the hijab for want of a better word, and at the least explain the reason why i CHOOSE to where it. I find this refreshing rather than an ordeal since it accounts to dawa on my part, and especially when i get to asert my case to intellectualssuch as professionals etc who seem to think they have valid reasons for looking down at the hijab, but alhamdullillah most reconsider their views after i'm done (or i hope they do).
Hijab is also an honour to Muslim women since it elevates us from the jahil women, and in my opinion the more it is spoken about, the more the issues surrounding Hijab can be clarified to a greater extent, although other issues are just as important, hijab is a blatently visible part of Islam which draws the extra attention, as does the beard and wearing of the thub by brothers (but perhaps to a lesser extent since the feminists ahve been on the hijabs case since the beginning). wasalam
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