Just out of curiousity what peoples thoughts were on the execution of Sharia law on the taliban, and im here to clear up misconceptions about them. Remember Taliban are not Al Qaeda. Bring up what you can from what you hear from the news because that will be the best way for me to refute the misconceptions JazakaAllah Khair
The Taliban were the closest to a proper Islamic government the world has ever seen. Keep in mind one thing, always: the U.S. media will love to blow things way out of proportion.
Whenever an ignorant news reporter had to do a story on them, they would always show women in veils and go all out saying "These women are imprisoned!" What do they care? Are the women complaining? Nope. The U.S. media tried its hardest to get the public to dislike the Taliban for one reason or another, probably because of their close ties with Sheikh Bin Laden.
They did everything according to Islamic law, never holding back. They lived in my former home, Afghanistan, fighting like true Mujahideen. They defeated a powerful Soviet Army and they singlehandedly destroyed the USSR. They are one of the biggest reasons why the USSR isn't around today.
On a side note, a couple of years ago they brought a former American Taliban student to court to testify for crimes against humanity. He sat there, looking confident and strong with a powerful look. A 40 year old lawyer got up- she was wearing probably 40 tons of makeup and was dressed very inappropriately. She came up to him and screamed at him "You people are imprisoning your women! These are hate crimes and you must be punished! These women in Afghanistan have no way out, they are trapped and must wear a veil over their heads just to fit in with the crowd!"
The Taliban student merely chuckled and responded by saying "Irony is truly a wonderful thing. I feel badly for your husband- he must have a hard time with you."
People have bad images of the Taliban, but they were abiding by Islamic law for years and they never really did anything un-islamic.
"It will be said to the pious believers in Islamic Monotheism: 'Oh you, the one in complete rest and satisfaction! Come back to your Lord well rested and well pleased!
They did everything according to Islamic law, never holding back. They lived in my former home, Afghanistan, fighting like true Mujahideen. They defeated a powerful Soviet Army and they singlehandedly destroyed the USSR. They are one of the biggest reasons why the USSR isn't around today.
Actuallly they did not defeat the Soviet Union. Some members of the Taliban were older enough to fight the Soviets - Mullah Omar for instance - and did. But the Taliban is a later movement made up of students too young to fight the Soviets. They fought the Northern Alliance of Mujihadeen who did fight the Soviet Union. The present government of Afghanistan is made up of people who defeated the Soviet Union. More or less.
On a side note, a couple of years ago they brought a former American Taliban student to court to testify for crimes against humanity. He sat there, looking confident and strong with a powerful look. A 40 year old lawyer got up- she was wearing probably 40 tons of makeup and was dressed very inappropriately. She came up to him and screamed at him "You people are imprisoning your women! These are hate crimes and you must be punished! These women in Afghanistan have no way out, they are trapped and must wear a veil over their heads just to fit in with the crowd!"
The Taliban student merely chuckled and responded by saying "Irony is truly a wonderful thing. I feel badly for your husband- he must have a hard time with you."
Interesting you think that reflects well on him. This is a famous incident but he was not and has not been brought up on charges for anything much less crimes against humanity. He is a student at Yale on a full scholarship. Although probably not for much longer. The generousity of Americans is sometimes truely amazing.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
Really, i find that sentence really funny. Ofcourse they are very generous with their bombs and bullets. I think you are right.
Well I could argue about that but I won't. They may be. But I still think it is amazing that they are paying for the education of one of their enemies at one of the best Universities in the world. A University I doubt I could get into.
But that is perhaps off topic. Hmmm, I think the Taleban were the best that Afghanistan could have expected. Which is not saying much. But it would have been better if they allowed the people of Afghanistan to make up their own minds by voting.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
in all honesty i dont think anyone of us kno much about tha taliban! Who here has met the taliban in real life let him speak! Or else we have no right to judge.
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yes and helping those they hav put into abject poverty is also something there good at, of course only some of them not all
The period of American domination of the world has been a period of unparalleled growth in wealth all over the world. Some parts of the world have done better than other parts, but pretty much all the world is vastly wealthier now than it ever has been. And the more people have rejected America, the more abjectly poor they are (North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc etc).
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
The period of American domination of the world has been a period of unparalleled growth in wealth all over the world. Some parts of the world have done better than other parts, but pretty much all the world is vastly wealthier now than it ever has been. And the more people have rejected America, the more abjectly poor they are (North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc etc).
I dont know to prove some of your ignorance. If you look at any fbi state department report you would notice the taliban are not on there.
2nd, a large faction of the taliban are also in the new govt inflitrating
3rd, i didnt understand your phrase about hashemi , what about him?
4th, amazingly the taliban is starting to take over parts of Afghanistan back and its amazing how they are doing it. Just recently 3 to 5 thousand pakistanis joined the taliban
I dont know to prove some of your ignorance. If you look at any fbi state department report you would notice the taliban are not on there.
So? Afghanistan has a long history of rejecting the US. Since the Soviet invasion in fact it has been down hill all the way - and the economy has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk. It is picking up now the US is there. Co-incidence? Perhaps not.
2nd, a large faction of the taliban are also in the new govt inflitrating
Which is interesting. But the fact remains that the Americans have created, or helped create, vast amounts of wealth for most of the world.
3rd, i didnt understand your phrase about hashemi , what about him?
Isn't it amazing that he is getting such an excellent education at the expense of the American public? You don't think so?
4th, amazingly the taliban is starting to take over parts of Afghanistan back and its amazing how they are doing it. Just recently 3 to 5 thousand pakistanis joined the taliban
Amazing how they are doing it? You mean with the help of thousands of foreigners?
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
The taliban however did have alot of strict extremist values. Yet not As how Wilberhum was saying may God save them from the rest of the world? I guess shouldnt even post on this topic just from that sentence you dont know anything about afghanistan or taliban.
Heigou? What are you talking about Rejecting the US? You see your thinking Oh its good to modernize a country make them up to date to help them out for wealth and money interests. Some people in this world dont care much about what others want in this life towards money. I hope you get that through your head that some people dont want democracy.
2nd Hashemi tax money? Dont worry he is getting private funding. Dont even talk about him when you dont even know where his funding is coming from.
The taliban however did have alot of strict extremist values. Yet not As how Wilberhum was saying may God save them from the rest of the world? I guess shouldnt even post on this topic just from that sentence you dont know anything about afghanistan or taliban.
Oh I don't know. I don't care of the Taliban run Afghanistan but I wouldn't want them running a country near me. I think it would be an unusual kafir who thought otherwise.
Heigou? What are you talking about Rejecting the US? You see your thinking Oh its good to modernize a country make them up to date to help them out for wealth and money interests. Some people in this world dont care much about what others want in this life towards money. I hope you get that through your head that some people dont want democracy.
I agree that some people do not care about what others want. I would also agree that some people do not care about money. But wealth means more children surviving childhood. It means better education and more health care. I think a lot of people care about that sort of thing. By rejecting the US, I mean rejecting the American way of life, rejecting Americans trade and economic advice, rejecting ties with the US. The more you do that the poorer you will be.
2nd Hashemi tax money? Dont worry he is getting private funding. Dont even talk about him when you dont even know where his funding is coming from.
I have a pretty good idea where his money is coming from - God knows it has been discussed enough. And he is being generously supported by the Americans, and the American tax payer. Amazing isn't it?
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
I may not be the holder of all great knowledge but I don’t live in a cave either.
There are valid reasons that only 3 countries in the whole world recognized them. One of the most admirable aspects of the Taliban was there support for the mass murder OBL and his group of killers. To admire the Taliban is to admire OBL and it is a fact that there is no small support for OBL, probably a majority.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
The Taliban were widely criticized by Western countries for their oppression of women. Women were strictly limited in their ability to work in public places.
Although the Taliban claimed that the education of girls in rural Afghanistan was increasing, a UNESCO report said that there was "a whopping 65% drop in their enrollment. In schools run by the Directorate of Education, only 1 per cent of the pupils are girls. The percentage of female teachers, too, has slid from 59.2 per cent in 1990 to 13.5 per cent in 1999."
Minority groups, especially Hazaras, were brutally persecuted and oppressed by the Taliban. More than 15,000 Hazaras were killed in central highlands known as Hazarajat, their women were enslaved and later sold to tribal leaders in Pakistan. Taliban leader On Genocide of Hazaras:
"The policy of the Taliban is to exterminate the Hazaras." Maulawi Mohammed Hanif, Taliban Commander announcing their policy to a crowd of 300 people summoned to a mosque (after killing 15,000 Hazaras people in a day). "Hazaras are not Muslims. You can kill them. It is not a sin." Mullah Manon Niazi, Taliban Governor of Mazar-e Sharif speaking to a crowd in a mosque after the fall of Mazara-e-Sharif city in 1998.
Hazaras were brutally massacred thoroughout Afghanistan. The two well known accounted by Human Rights Watch arein Yakaogang, January 2001 and at Robatak Pass in May of 2000.
Al-Qaeda-trained fighters known as the 055 Brigade were integrated with the Taliban army between 1997 and 2001. The Taliban and bin Laden had very close connections, which were formalized by a marriage of one of bin Laden's sons to Omar's daughter.
I see no difference between praising the Taliban and praising terrorism.
The period of American domination of the world has been a period of unparalleled growth in wealth all over the world. Some parts of the world have done better than other parts, but pretty much all the world is vastly wealthier now than it ever has been. And the more people have rejected America, the more abjectly poor they are (North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc etc).
America isnt the sole provider. Allah will provide for them (that is, for the Taliban). Sorry if you find that funny, but I'll laugh at you for finding it funny.
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
The Taliban were the closest to a proper Islamic government the world has ever seen. May god save the rest of the world from such a government.
May God save the world from every type of government except the proper, flawless Islamic Sharia one. Democracy included.
I see no difference between praising the Taliban and praising terrorism.
I could say the same about Isreal. Isreal and Terrorists are synonymous.
“Do not argue with your Lord on behalf of your soul, rather argue with your soul on behalf of your Lord.” - Dhul-Nun
"It is the very pursuit of happiness that thwarts happiness." - Victor Frankl
Do not Bring up Hazaris You should see what they did in Deploy of Afghan Convoy check that video out not wikipedia. And Wilberhum just dont post on this topic as i see your knowledge only comes from wikipedia.
And heigou you have no clue where his money is coming from, Where is it coming from Tell me where?. you tell me where. I know where you tell me where.
Last edited by mahdisoldier19; 04-28-2006 at 09:32 PM.
Good debate occurring here, what I didn’t like about the Taliban is the way people were forced to comply with the social rules imposed. For example the closure of theatres, banning of music, flying a kite, chess, football etc. Fair enough some of these may lead to fitnah and what have you, but come on, forcing it on the nation it’s over the top don’t ya think!
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