Advice To The Seekers

Asalamulaikum

I dnt get what ur trying to say in ur thread u seem to beat around the bush alot. I dnt mean to offend u or anything brother but I tend to skip ur posts as I find them to be quite agressive n lack adhab. such as like wen u sed this....

I had a feeling no1 would reply to what i had to say.

Commen sense is dead.

Kheir.

Wa'salaam.

U go on like ur the only one that has common sense n just because other ppl may disagree with u, u tend to talk down to them as if to belittle them n make them look stupid.

By the way, I was at one of shaykh khalid yasins talks a couple months ago n he has more adhab then most. May Allah swt help us to take heed from ppl like him. His purpose of life centre is just a few minutes away from my house n is quite involved in sheffield Alhumdulillah. hes a top guy n ive never met any one whose ever questioned his adhab.

Asalamulaikum.

Allahu Alam

format_quote Originally Posted by Daffodil

Asalamulaikum

I dnt get what ur trying to say in ur thread u seem to beat around the bush alot. I dnt mean to offend u or anything brother but I tend to skip ur posts as I find them to be quite agressive n lack adhab. such as like wen u sed this....



U go on like ur the only one that has common sense n just because other ppl may disagree with u, u tend to talk down to them as if to belittle them n make them look stupid.

There is an 'Ignore' function you know. If activated, you will not see a specified member's posts. This is a general notice for all to keep in mind.

yep but i wudnt want to lose the whole thread in confusion.

format_quote Originally Posted by Daffodil

Asalamulaikum

I dnt get what ur trying to say in ur thread u seem to beat around the bush alot.

Asalam alaiakum.

I fail to see where you are coming from,..i thought i was straight foward.

Tell me which part of this thread you dont understand and insha'allah i will try my best to explain it to you sis.

format_quote Originally Posted by Daffodil

I dnt mean to offend u or anything brother but I tend to skip ur posts as I find them to be quite agressive n lack adhab. such as like wen u sed this....



U go on like ur the only one that has common sense n just because other ppl may disagree with u, u tend to talk down to them as if to belittle them n make them look stupid.

I dont mean to offend you either sis,but i tend to ignore your posts too.Simply because,in all honesty,the rationality factor seems to be missing most of the time.

As for the 4 words i uttered/typed,..if 4 words is all it takes to get such a reaction out of you,then maybe i am right,..Common sense is dead..

As for me talking down to people,belittling people,making them feel stupid,...as i was told when i was a kid,..'you are as stupid as you believe you are'.

I wont say anymore regarding that matter.

format_quote Originally Posted by Daffodil

By the way, I was at one of shaykh khalid yasins talks a couple months ago n he has more adhab then most. May Allah swt help us to take heed from ppl like him. His purpose of life centre is just a few minutes away from my house n is quite involved in sheffield Alhumdulillah. hes a top guy n ive never met any one whose ever questioned his adhab.

Asalamulaikum.

If you read all of my posts in this thread,you will notice that i removed my comments regarding him,simply because i had gone off topic,and i went as far to to glorify him at the end.

Wa'salaam.

format_quote Originally Posted by SirZubair

Can i get a TAKBIR ??

I'll give you a "hell yeah" too.

SirZubair gets it right again.

Just one thing: even though this message will reach many muslims and the points are valid and correct, there are far more that will not hear it.

However, I do believe one of the points SirZubair was trying to make is that by acting like this, others will follow - and that's the key. I pray this will occur. Perhaps others should do.

p.s; common sense does seem to be lacking, yes. Dead? not yet. Fortunately, we are blessed with the presence of many who have mastered this attribute.

format_quote Originally Posted by aamirsaab

Just one thing: even though this message will reach many muslims and the points are valid and correct, there are far more that will not hear it.

One of the bad moves the Mod's made was,moving this thread to the General Chat section.

I posted it in the Comparative religion for a good reason,because that is where most of this (online religon bashing) seems to happen.

If any of the Moderators agree with me,that it would make more sense to keep it in That section,rather than this section,please move it for me.

If not,..kheir.

wa'salaam.

format_quote Originally Posted by SirZubair

...i hope my mother never finds her way onto this forum,she'd clip my ears for that comment..

Woops too late...i grassed! :X

Anyways nice post...jazakhala for reminder bro...

format_quote Originally Posted by Muhammad

I moved it into General Chat because I didn't think it belonged in the comparative religion forum since it did not discuss other religions. It was a thread directed at Muslims and discusses their behaviour towards others, so I thought it would be better here.

Fair enough.

I wont argue with that AKhi.

Wa'salaam.

Here is a website that i would recommend every Muslim and Non-muslim to visit.

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Yes,it will take a fair amount of time to read through all that.

But believe me,at the end of the day,it is Worth reading.

I have the book sitting here,right infront of me. but insha'allah everyone reading this has been given the chance to read it online for free.

So come on,stop posting,start reading.

Wa'salaam.

-Zubair

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format_quote Originally Posted by SirZubair

Asalam alaikum to all my brothers and sisters in islam.

There is something i've said on this forum many many times,and i will say it again today,hoping/praying that atleast 1 person might benefit from it.

There are two types of knowledge :
1 ) that which is accessible to allahs creatures.
2 ) That which is not accessible to allahs creatures.

Thus,to deny accessible knowledge is disbelief.

And to claim inaccessible knowledge is disbelief.

True faith is not established until accessibe knowledge is accepted and the pursuit of inaccessible knowledge is abandoned.

Having said that,...how many members of this forum have learnt aqeedah?fiqh?etc...?

I dont expect anyone to reply to that question.

But what i am expecting is,for atleast some of you,to truly ask yourselves "What do i know about islam..?"

Because there are alot of people out there that only know what their Shaykh has told them.

And there are also alot of people out there that only know what their parents have told them over the years.

Believe me,there is alot more to islam than what alot of us are being thought.

I am not saying that our shaykhs and parents are misleading us,heck,i have alot of respect for the shaykhs out there,and for each and every single muslim/non-muslim parent.Bringing up a child in this time and age is a mission.

What i am saying is,..it is our responsibility to go out there and Learn islam,dont sit around the house,being a slob,and expect the knowledge of islam to fall on your lap.

Because,at the end of the day,it is our responsibility to seek the knowledge.

Having said all that,..when will you guys/girls quit doing THIS , THIS , etc?

Dont you think it is about time you get your religon inorder before you start questioning others?

GO learn enough about islam before you decide to come online and preach to others.

Seriously,alot of you guys/girls need to grow up,..alot.

Please,do not take offence to any of that.

I am simply a simple brother who is concerned about Your Deen.

So please accept my nice slice of concise advice.

I'll be on my way.

Wa'salaam

-Zubair

You present yourself with great concern which is refreshing. Too often I find that religious people turn more people away from religion than they actually bring to religion.

format_quote Originally Posted by searchingsoul

You present yourself with great concern which is refreshing.

It is as simple as that,i am concerned about my muslim brothers and sisters.

They seem to be playing a game of "a begger calling another begger poor.."

Alot of them don't know their own religon properly,yet they want to go out there and tell others why their religon is wrong.

Kheir.

Wa'salaam.

format_quote Originally Posted by SirZubair

Asalam alaikum to all my brothers and sisters in islam.

There is something i've said on this forum many many times,and i will say it again today,hoping/praying that atleast 1 person might benefit from it.

There are two types of knowledge :
1 ) that which is accessible to allahs creatures.
2 ) That which is not accessible to allahs creatures.

Thus,to deny accessible knowledge is disbelief.

And to claim inaccessible knowledge is disbelief.

True faith is not established until accessibe knowledge is accepted and the pursuit of inaccessible knowledge is abandoned.

Having said that,...how many members of this forum have learnt aqeedah?fiqh?etc...?

I dont expect anyone to reply to that question.

But what i am expecting is,for atleast some of you,to truly ask yourselves "What do i know about islam..?"

Because there are alot of people out there that only know what their Shaykh has told them.

And there are also alot of people out there that only know what their parents have told them over the years.

Believe me,there is alot more to islam than what alot of us are being thought.

I am not saying that our shaykhs and parents are misleading us,heck,i have alot of respect for the shaykhs out there,and for each and every single muslim/non-muslim parent.Bringing up a child in this time and age is a mission.

What i am saying is,..it is our responsibility to go out there and Learn islam,dont sit around the house,being a slob,and expect the knowledge of islam to fall on your lap.

Because,at the end of the day,it is our responsibility to seek the knowledge.

Having said all that,..when will you guys/girls quit doing THIS , THIS , etc?

Dont you think it is about time you get your religon inorder before you start questioning others?

GO learn enough about islam before you decide to come online and preach to others.

Seriously,alot of you guys/girls need to grow up,..alot.

Please,do not take offence to any of that.

I am simply a simple brother who is concerned about Your Deen.

So please accept my nice slice of concise advice.

I'll be on my way.

Wa'salaam

-Zubair

Salam Aleykum Wa Rahmetula,

I have never disagreed more. Actually maybe thats abit too far lol.

I think it will help if I break down what I understood from this thread and your post, two main points are brought up:

1.Muslims shouldnt be lazy, but should seek knowledge of their religion.
2.Muslims shouldnt write articles/make comments about other people's faith which show mistakes or errors in their faith.

With regards to the first, I do agree, a Muslim should seek knowledge of his deen and do that from cradle to the grave.

The bit I disagree about is that it seems that Muslims should have a certain knowledge of Islam before they can call people to Islam.

I agree that a person should not focous on writing articles about other faiths 100% of the time, as this will undoubtly slow his progress in his own religion, but what if there is a balance?

It seems, or it comes across to me that, your saying Muslims should study this and this and then go give da'wah, what if Muslims at the present time do not have such paths available, what if a Muslim is learning already aboutthose things? Does he have to wait till he finishes before he can go and give da'wah?

What about the Muslims who have just taken shahada and are still learning, are they expected to spend their whole 100% of time reading about such things? They should spend their majority of time on it, but what would be wrong if they allow 15% of their time on reading abit on da'wah material or sharing their views on their old faith? To be honest nothing has, to me, been more interesting than hearing a revert speak of his old experiences, even if that revert hasnt "learnt aqeedah?fiqh?etc...".

As in all things i think it is a balance.

Also coming on to the topic of articles such as 101 contradictions in the Bible, your example of spitting in someone's food and then inviting them again is nice I believe khalid yaseen used an example of slapping someone then telling them to become Muslim, not many would.

Similarly, we shouldnt expect to curse others and say things like 'haha your going hell, your bible is rubbish' and then expect them to become Muslim.

But such articles as 101 contradictions do help, but the key is as is with all things, that they are used properly.

Thus the example of spitting in someones food, can easly turn into someone not spiting into food but just warning others that their food is poisonus.

I have at first hand, personally, benefitted from Muslims pointing out mistakes in what I believed was G-ds word, I know a few people also whom have benefited from such things.

Is it that those things are really 'offensive' or are they just used in the wrong way.

I guess its the same with Islam, is Islam really offensive? or is it that some use it in the wrong way.

I also have a question, with regards to this statement bro, "GO learn enough about islam before you decide to come online and preach to others."

How much is enough?

Also may Allah bless Shabbir Ally.

Salam Aleykum Wa Rahmetula Wa Berekatu

akhi,thank you for your response.

format_quote Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah

It seems, or it comes across to me that, your saying Muslims should study this and this and then go give da'wah, what if Muslims at the present time do not have such paths available, what if a Muslim is learning already aboutthose things? Does he have to wait till he finishes before he can go and give da'wah?

Akhi,read all of my posts,not just the first post in this thread.

I did say that we should tell others about islam,but at the end of the day,it has to be done with Adab. Take brother Ansar Al-'Adl as an example,see how he does it with such great manners. Then look at the majority of the posters in the 'comperative religon' section,PM me and let me know if you can see the difference between His posts and the Posts of the majority of the posters.

I have a feeling i will be hearing from you soon

As for "what if a muslim is learning already about those things?does he have to wait til he finishes before he can go and give da'wah?"

No,he doesnt have to. I never did say he has to do anything as such.

My main point was "learn about islam first before you go around telling people about what is wrong with their religon",there are alot of muslims out there that know very very little about islam,yet they have a blast taking the piss out of other religons. At the end of the day,how can one Preach something which he doesnt understand?

It doesnt make any sense to me. Maybe it makes sense to you,and if it does,then please,by all means,explain to me how it makes sense and i will delete my advise

format_quote Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah

What about the Muslims who have just taken shahada and are still learning, are they expected to spend their whole 100% of time reading about such things? They should spend their majority of time on it, but what would be wrong if they allow 15% of their time on reading abit on da'wah material or sharing their views on their old faith? To be honest nothing has, to me, been more interesting than hearing a revert speak of his old experiences, even if that revert hasnt "learnt aqeedah?fiqh?etc...".

As in all things i think it is a balance.

Fair enough,i can respect that.

format_quote Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah

But such articles as 101 contradictions do help, but the key is as is with all things, that they are used properly.

Undeniable akhi,undeniable.

This is the reason i say we should learn our Aqeedah,fiqh etc..because At the end of the day (damn,i seem to be using 'at the end of the day' alot recently ) Christians,Hindus etc will point out to us the 'contradictions' that they find in the Quran,and in the concept of 'Allah'(swt),if we don't know our religon properly,we can't defend it.

As for 'that they are used properly',yes,that is the Key to it. Alot of people seem to be using that key to open the Wrong doors the majority of the time.

format_quote Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah

Thus the example of spitting in someones food, can easly turn into someone not spiting into food but just warning others that their food is poisonus.

You're getting confused akhi i never told anyone not to give Da'wah to the non-muslims,i said "do it with adab",that is when i used to "spitting in their food" example.

Please don't twist my words

format_quote Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah

I also have a question, with regards to this statement bro, "GO learn enough about islam before you decide to come online and preach to others."

How much is enough?

Enough = That is for each and every individual to decide. But if that individual turns around and can't defend his religon when someone is poking fun at it (and when i say 'defend his religon',i dont mean 'with a sword and shield' :thankyou: ) and at the same time,if the individual can't give dawah without poking fun / being rude / being haste towards those he is giving dawah to,it is time for him to Fall back and go back to the learning-table.

And also (one of the things that has recently upset me on this forum)(btw,i don't think this forum is bad,..not at all,..but it is slowly being hijacked by extremists,just like Islam is being hijacked by the extremists.) is muslims who view the blood of Non-muslims as being 'worthless' while they hold the blood of muslims in high regard. What alot of muslims are forgetting is that we are ALL sons/daughters of Adam a.s,we all come from the ONE GOD. It is high time for alot of my brothers and sisters to go and learn proper islam and drop their religous pride.

I hope that answers all of the above.

Thank you for your contribution akhi

wa'salaam

-Zubair

I find it quite baffling how the same ppl who bang on about adab this asab that fail to use it themselves.