Help Me Answer Her!!!*

format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

I don't like to leave things unanswered, even if it is just recycled anti-islamic drivel...
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You're right; slandering and maligning the world's second largest religion is not something most civilized people take kindly to.

Sorry to disappoint you, but people do talk in the middle east; it's a language called arabic.

Actually, Islam teaches us to be self-critical and examine our own faults before pointing towards those of others. The Prophet said: 'Blessed is he who preoccupies himself with his own defects, rather than those of others.' (Musnad Al-Bazzâr)

Religion is a matter of truth. God has revealed a complete way of life for humanity to adhere to, and this way can be discovered by scrutinising all existing theologies, ideologies and religions to determine which are man-made and which is divinely ordained.

Muslims do believe that the Bible today is not identical to the original revelation given to the Prophets, just as many non-muslims believe. But we respect Christians just like we respect all human beings, though we believe they are not following the truth. If you think that is a contradiction, you need to answer for an even larger one which sticks out in your writing!

You said:

And yet you explicitly say

So on one hand you claim to respect Muslims and Islamic beliefs, and yet in the same post you call their religion 'violent', 'evil' and 'a terrorist'!! Hypocrisy is quite evident in your own words.

The first problem occurs here. Islam is a system of beliefs and laws - it is based on its original sources, the Qur'an and the prophetic teachings. It is NOT based on the actions of its adherents. It is analogous to the case of a mathematics class; if the students are doing very poorly and are incapable of solving their numerical problems, can one conclude that mathematics itself is flawed?! Of course not, the flaw is in the students education, not the system of principles, laws or beliefs. In fact, such a system or religion can be linked with the performance of its adherents if and ONLY if it can objectively be demonstated that the actions of the adherents are endorsed by the religion itself. This is clearly not the case with Islam. Violent actions have absolutely no basis in Islam.

It is not true that all terrorists are Arabs or Muslims. The two greatest military causes of casualities this century, World War 1 and World War 2, had nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. The most number of suicide bombings were carried out by the Tamil Tigers, who are neither a Muslim nor arab organization. What about the genocides/massacres in Rwanda, Kosovo or Palestine? In fact, victims of the latter two were/are Muslims. What about Christians? What about KKK, the Lord's Resistance Army, David Koresh, etc. Were they not Christians?

What makes your statements even worse is that Muslims have unanimously condemned terrorism and violence.
http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm
http://www.saudiembassy.net/ReportLi...mism_May04.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...ds/5111092.stm
http://www.caircan.ca/itn_more.php?id=A1789_0_2_0_M
http://salafipublications.com/sps/sL...=channel&CID=3
http://www.salafipublications.com/sp.../GSC020003.pdf
http://www.al-athariyyah.com/Data_Fi...fbinLaadin.pdf
Thousands of condemnations are listed here from all the Muslim scholars and leaders. The perpetrators of violent actions do not constitute even .00001% of Muslims, and yet for some reason you pass judgement on all Muslims, let alone Islam, on the basis of their actions?! This is a manifest injustice.

I strongly suggest you educate yourself about Islamic teachings and history.
Read some basic Islamic teachings here:
http://www.islamonline.net/English/i...rticle06.shtml
And here are some quotes from various historians on the spread of Islam.

“The Christian World came to wage crusades against Muslims but eventually knelt before them to gain knowledge. They were spellbound to see that Muslims were owners of a culture that was far superior to their own. The Dark Ages of Europe were illuminated by nothing but the beacon of Muslim Civilization.” (F.J.C Hearushaw, The Science of History)

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated." (De Lacy O'Leary, ISLAM AT THE CROSSROADS, London, 1923, p. 8)

“The Renaissance of Europe did not take place in the 15th century. Rather it began when Europe learned from the culture of the Arabs. The cradle of European awakening is not Italy. It is the Muslim Spain.” (Robert Briffault, The Making Of Mankind)

Incidentally these well-established facts dispose of the idea so widely fostered in Christian writings that the Muslims, wherever they went, forced people to accept Islam at the point of the sword.(Lawrence E. Browne,‘The Prospects of Islam,’ 1944)

Despite the growth of antagonism, Moslem (Muslim) rulers seldom made their Christian subjects suffer for the Crusades. When the Saracens finally resumed the full control of Palestine the Christians were given their former status as dhimmis. The Coptic Church, too had little cause for complaint under Saladin's (Salahuddin) strong government, and during the time of the earlier Mameluke sultans who succeeded him the Copts experienced more enlightened justice than they had hitherto known. The only effect of the Crusaders upon Egyptian Christians was to keep them for a while from pilgrimage to Jerusalem, for as long as the Frank were in charge heretics were forbidden access to the shrines. Not until the Moslem victories could they enjoy their rights as Christians. (James Addison, 'The Christian Approach to the Moslem,' p. 35)

The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.(A. S. Tritton, in 'Islam,' 195)

No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam. The West has widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the sword. But no modern scholar accepts this idea, and the Qur’an is explicit in the support of the freedom of conscience. (James Michener, ‘Islam: The Misunderstood Religion,’ Reader’s Digest, May 1955, pp. 68-70)

My problem to write this monograph is easier, because we are not generally fed now on that (distorted) kind of history and much time need not be spent on pointing out our misrepresentations of Islam. The theory of Islam and sword, for instance, is not heard now in any quarter worth the name. The principle of Islam that “there is no compulsion in religion” is well known. (K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, 'Mohammed: The Prophet of Islam,' 1989)

When Pococke inquired of Grotius, where the proof was of that story of the pigeon, trained to pick peas from Mahomet's (Muhammad's) ear, and pass for an angel dictating to him? Grotius answered that there was no proof!.. (Thomas Carlyle, ‘Heroes, Hero Worship, and the Heroic in History,’ Lecture 2, Friday, 8th May 1840)

A greater number of God's creatures believe in Mahomet's word at this hour than in any other word whatever. Are we to suppose that it was a miserable piece of spiritual legerdemain, this which so many creatures of the almighty have lived by and died by?... (Thomas Carlyle, ‘Heroes, Hero Worship, and the Heroic in History,’ Lecture 2, Friday, 8th May 1840)

“A rugged, strife-torn and mountaineering people...were suddenly turned into an indomitable Arab force, which achieved a series of splendid victories unparalleled in the history of nations, for in the short space of ninety years that mighty range of Saracenic (i.e. Muslim) conquest embraced a wider extent of territory than Rome had mastered in the course of eight hundred.”(Simon Ockley, in 'History of the Saracens')

We have never heard about any attempt to compel Non-Muslim parties to adopt Islam or about any organized persecution aiming at exterminating Christianity. If the Caliphs had chosen one of these plans, they would have wiped out Christianity as easily as what happened to Islam during the reign of Ferdinand and Isabella in Spain; by the same method which Louis XIV followed to make Protestantism a creed whose followers were to be sentenced to death; or with the same ease of keeping the Jews away from Britain for a period of three hundred fifty years. (Thomas Arnold, in 'The Call to Islam.')

In the eyes of history, religious toleration is the highest evidence of culture in a people....It was not until the Western nations broke away from their religious law that they became more tolerant, and it was only when the Muslims fell away from their religious law that they declined in tolerance and other evidences of the highest culture. Before the coming of Islam it (tolerance) had never been preached as an essential part of religion... (Marmaduke Pickthall, 1927 Lecture on 'Tolerance in Islam,' Madras, India)

Yes, indeed read the history and cure this ignorance on how these taxes were imposed. The 13th century Muslim jurist, Al-Qurtubi, wrote

This is the consensus of the scholars that jizya is levied ONLY on adult, free men who are qualified to go to war NOT on women or children or slaves or mad people or defeated people or senile or the elderly (Al-Jami' Le' Ahkaam el Quraan (72/8))

And the 11th century Muslim Court Judge, Al-Mawardi, wrote that when taking the Jizya tax the Muslim ruler should exact an amount in accordance with people's means and that he should [use] his judgement to conclude the contract of jizyah to the satisfaction of the leaders of the people being taxed (Ahkam AS-Sultaniyya, pp. 209-210).

Read this link below where every single one of these misquotations, misinterprations, distortions and mistranslations of Qur'anic verses have been refuted:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttals/Misquoted/

There are anti-christian hate sites too:
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
You will find quite a lot of talk about killing in the Biblical passages selected.

I suggest you read the 46 refutations of alleged internal contradictions in the Qur'an here before making such baseless claims:
http://www.load-islam.com/C/rebuttal...contradictions

Open your mind and read what Islam says on the issue:

Qur'an 25:63. And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.

Qur'an 41:34 The good deed and the evil deed cannot be not equal. Return an evil deed with one that is good. Then he between whom and thyself was mutual enmity shall become as though he were an intimate friend.

The Prophet said: 'Whoever suffers an injury done to him and forgives (the person responsible), Allah will raise his status to a higher degree and remove one of his sins.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

The Prophet said: 'Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong if they do evil.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

Why would anyone want to read an anti-islamic book to learn about Islam? Why not read Mein Kampf to understand anti-semitism?! See what the historians have said in the quotations I already posted.
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This is the same kind of stuff you hear all the time. It doesn't require any intelligence to refute the fallacies and distortions for the 1000th time. Instead of just pasting their posts on the forum, refer them to the links which address these issues or invite them here to discuss.

Asalama Alaikum......

Ansar u do know I didn't write this article don't u? Some christian women wrote it and posted it on another forum..........If u read my thread introduction u would know that.
But I am not gonna bother and answer her........

Yes I know; I just like writing responses directly.