Hindu books from God too?

[Muslim Woman]

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I agree with sister Skye there. I respect Dr Naik for his knowledge of Islam but I was a bit disappointed to see him trying to find Islamic bits in the hindu scriptures...

with due respect , I beg to differ. Allah sent Prophets to all nations . So , surely someone came in to India ? I heard Dr. Zakir's lecture . He very nicely showed the similariities between Islam , Hinduism , Christianity etc. All holy books teach that God is one. It's the human being who are taking other deities besides Allah.

Also , it's our duty to spread the messages of Islam . As an Indian , Zakir's duty is to give the dawah to his Hindu neighbours. His debate with a Hindu leader Sri Sri Ravi Sankar was excellent .


If in future , India become a Muslim majority country , surely Zakir will deserve much credit :statisfie

 

[UmmahFollower09]

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with due respect , I beg to differ. Allah sent Prophets to all nations . So , surely someone came in to India ? I heard Dr. Zakir's lecture . He very nicely showed the similariities between Islam , Hinduism , Christianity etc. All holy books teach that God is one. It's the human being who are taking other deities besides Allah.

Also , it's our duty to spread the messages of Islam . As an Indian , Zakir's duty is to give the dawah to his Hindu neighbours. His debate with a Hindu leader Sri Sri Ravi Sankar was excellent .


If in future , India become a Muslim majority country , surely Zakir will deserve much credit :statisfie

Well said sister =]

 

[Amat Allah]

Bismellah wa Tawakalna Ala Allah...
all praise and Glory be to Allah...

And remember he is a scholar and he has a well knowledge of Quraan sunnah and Allah`s religion rullings...

who r we to judge ???

saying lies to the others to make them embrace Islam is haraam and I think Dr Zakir allready knew haraam from halaal and he would never do this...

it is never acceptable in Islam to try to accomplish some good by doing something haram (forbidden). It is never, ever possible to spread Islam by lying or using deceptive practices.

when scholars want to talk about something in Deen they never say it but after lot of studies and revisions based on The Quraan and Sunnah...

"O you who believe, fear Allah and keep your duty to Him and always speak the truth."
Quran [33:69]

"Whoever attributes to me something that I did not say, let him reserve his seat in the Hellfire."
- prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.


and yes forgot to say...


Allah says:

[107] And We have sent you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinn and all that exists)."

surat Al Anbiyaa

[28] And We have not sent you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) except as a giver of glad tidings and a warner to all mankind, but most of men know not."

Surat Saba`a

so hindo jewish christian jini human whatever Islam is the religion of mercy and Islam is for everyone and everything even animals and plants...

may Allah guide us all musilms and non muslims to the right path Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

and Allah knows the best ...

 

[Umar001]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

What I find amazing is that no one has posted any good reasons for him to stop.The following were kind of advanced:

1. Why preach to hindus who believe such and such is God...

Well you preach to mankind as a whole beacuse giving da'wah is important. Moreover, we give da'wah to Christians who thought God can be 100% God and 100% man. Moreover, what is the difference between these guys and the pagan arabs who took dates as Gods and then ate them when they were hungry? Did that stop the Prophet, salla Allah 'alayhi wa salam?

2. Should not try twist scripture to make islam fit in there.

I agree with that in any case, whether Hindu or Christian scripture, the question is, is Zakir Naik doing that? I do not know, mainly because I don't have knowledge of the scripture, but I do believe he does not intend to.

As for whether he is trying to be someone he is not, it is important to have role models from the good Muslims.

As for the original question then Allah knows best what was sent to Allah, it may be not sent by Allah but that some people collected older stories together and some truth got into there, somewhat like the Gospels in the Bible nowdays but in a much older way.

Some of the books which Allah has revealed are known by name, some are not but they are known by general terms Allah knows best if in Islam we can believe the likes as above, but we do believe in whatever God has sent down.

And Allah knows best.

Br.al-Habeshi

 

[Amat Allah]

what is the difference between these guys and the pagan arabs who took dates as Gods and then ate them when they were hungry? Did that stop the Prophet, salla Allah 'alayhi wa salam?

true

 

[جوري]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

What I find amazing is that no one has posted any good reasons for him to stop.The following were kind of advanced:

And Allah knows best.

Br.al-Habeshi

I suppose because there is NO GOOD REASON for him to stop?.. I believe, if folks would stop to read all that was written, they'd see the objection is to using their scriptures as a prelude to Islam.. and I myself have used the example often used by Jews to justify their occupation using suret Ad dukhan specifically:

وَلَقَدْ نَجَّيْنَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ مِنَ الْعَذَابِ الْمُهِينِ {30}​

[Pickthal 44:30] And We delivered the Children of Israel from the shameful doom;

مِن فِرْعَوْنَ إِنَّهُ كَانَ عَالِيًا مِّنَ الْمُسْرِفِينَ {31}​

[Pickthal 44:31] (We delivered them) from Pharaoh. Lo! he was a tyrant of the wanton ones.

وَلَقَدِ اخْتَرْنَاهُمْ عَلَى عِلْمٍ عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ {32}​

[Pickthal 44:32] And We chose them, purposely, above (all) creatures.

I have seen it done in Jewish compositions, how 'even the Quran chose them above all' How they are entitled to Palestine-- I am sure in their own mind they believe it to be true, why else would they do it?

Do you personally understand this verse to mean what Jews construe?

That is basically what is wrong with using other people's scriptures to make a point for yours.

He should in my humble opinion refute their book based on what is in it, not with how it compares to Islamic theology.

Hinduism as per dictionary: A body of religious and philosophical beliefs and cultural practices native to India and based on a caste system; it is characterized by a belief in reincarnation, by a belief in a supreme being of many forms and natures, by the view that opposing theories are aspects of one eternal truth, and by a desire for liberation from earthly evils.


Does the above sound remotely close to Islam?



Anyhow, I am done with this.. It is strange to me, when you express a different point of view to be met with so much rebuke and too many adjectives added to suppose a meaning not at all expressed in my writing.

 

[Umar001]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem,

I suppose because there is NO GOOD REASON for him to stop?.. I believe, if folks would stop to read all that was written, they'd see the objection is to using their scriptures as a prelude to Islam..

Wa 'Alaykum Salam Wa Rahamtullahi Wa Barakatuh Sister,

Well it appears that you had more than one thing to say, in the first post you mentioned that

I really don't know why Dr. Naik chooses to spread da3wa to the Hindus in my personal opinion I think he should stay as far away from them as possible..

That point there is what I was speaking about, now in your later posts you mention another point, i.e.

I do believe that I wrote, I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Naik, I don't agree with his method and I still stand by my opinion...

So I was just against the general point of not making da'wah to Hindus, whilst the second point about the method he uses, I didn't touch on that at all, it's a different point altogether.

So I guess we are now in agreement if you think there is NO GOOD REASON for him to stop as opposed to staying away from Hindus in terms of da'wah.

We only disagree as to how it should be done I guess. So I am glad we have overcome that step, *smiles*

Hinduism as per dictionary: A body of religious and philosophical beliefs and cultural practices native to India and based on a caste system; it is characterized by a belief in reincarnation, by a belief in a supreme being of many forms and natures, by the view that opposing theories are aspects of one eternal truth, and by a desire for liberation from earthly evils.


Does the above sound remotely close to Islam?

I don't get what point at all it makes. Does the idea of a God who is three but then also one, who turned in to a human being and came from a woman who then had to die and be killed by his creation in order to be able to forgive sound similar to Islam? Nope. But I still would point out the similarities and the differences.

If I find that a religion says worship one God, I may be inclined to point that out to the followers before I show differences.

Anyhow we are in agreement, and the thread was only about whether the Hindu books were from Allaah. Sorry Original Poster for getting carried away in your thread.

Br.al-Habeshi

 

[Confused0122]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem,



Wa 'Alaykum Salam Wa Rahamtullahi Wa Barakatuh Sister,

Well it appears that you had more than one thing to say, in the first post you mentioned that

That point there is what I was speaking about, now in your later posts you mention another point, i.e.

So I was just against the general point of not making da'wah to Hindus, whilst the second point about the method he uses, I didn't touch on that at all, it's a different point altogether.

So I guess we are now in agreement if you think there is NO GOOD REASON for him to stop as opposed to staying away from Hindus in terms of da'wah.

We only disagree as to how it should be done I guess. So I am glad we have overcome that step, *smiles*



I don't get what point at all it makes. Does the idea of a God who is three but then also one, who turned in to a human being and came from a woman who then had to die and be killed by his creation in order to be able to forgive sound similar to Islam? Nope. But I still would point out the similarities and the differences.

If I find that a religion says worship one God, I may be inclined to point that out to the followers before I show differences.

Anyhow we are in agreement, and the thread was only about whether the Hindu books were from Allaah. Sorry Original Poster for getting carried away in your thread.

Br.al-Habeshi

Jazak Allah brother.. and it's alright =)

 

[جوري]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem,

Wa 'Alaykum Salam Wa Rahamtullahi Wa Barakatuh Sister,

wa3lykoum aslaam wr wb

Well it appears that you had more than one thing to say, in the first post you mentioned that

It would help indeed if you'd quote the entire sentence, which ends with
whomever seeks the light of Allah swt, s/he shall find it, without all these acrobatics some scholars chose to subscribe to

That point there is what I was speaking about, now in your later posts you mention another point, i.e.

Indeed I have maintained that I have respect for the man though I don't agree with his methods!

So I was just against the general point of not making da'wah to Hindus, whilst the second point about the method he uses, I didn't touch on that at all, it's a different point altogether.

he shouldn't give dua3wa if the end result is a thousand islamphobic website by Hindus refuting what he is doing further go on to Insult Islam, Muslims, the prophet and Allah swt.. I need not bring them to this website for you, you merely need to search the web or youtube on the related subject to find out exactly what it is I am talking about!

So I guess we are now in agreement if you think there is NO GOOD REASON for him to stop as opposed to staying away from Hindus in terms of da'wah.

I think he should broach the matter completely differently, he needs to regroup and really think of the end result.. I'd love to see some numbers of how many Hindus converted after seeing the light of how their scriptures 'prophecized' the coming of Mohammed (p)-- at the end of the day, that is what it really comes down to!

We only disagree as to how it should be done I guess. So I am glad we have overcome that step, *smiles*

So you think what he is doing is ok?

I don't get what point at all it makes. Does the idea of a God who is three but then also one, who turned in to a human being and came from a woman who then had to die and be killed by his creation in order to be able to forgive sound similar to Islam? Nope. But I still would point out the similarities and the differences.

Another method that could potentially come and bite one in the @$$.. how many times have you seen Muslims use 'Mohammed mentioned in other scriptures' and what did the Christians comes and do with it? to be frank with you, the bible is its own biggest contradictions.. there really is no point in forcing folks to see something in their books they refuse to, but there is a huge advantage in showing them how erroneous their beliefs based on their own books.. again in my humble opinion!

If I find that a religion says worship one God, I may be inclined to point that out to the followers before I show differences.

Does 'a belief in a supreme being of many forms and natures' allude to 'one God'? again in my humble opinion NO!
Hinduism is wrought with nonsense, any which can possibly make for fertile grounds for a good theological debate.. I don't AT ALL agree with making Islam and object of similarity or comparison with Hinduism, the very thought makes me extremely angry, If I didn't know for a fact his intentions are good, I'd be very upset with him questioning what he hopes to gain with this mockery!

Anyhow we are in agreement, and the thread was only about whether the Hindu books were from Allaah. Sorry Original Poster for getting carried away in your thread.

Br.al-Habeshi

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Indeed on some points but not all.. I believe I gave my reply as per regard to original Q... No Hindu epic tales aren't from God, no point in looking there for something that doesn't exist.. If it did, I am sure Hindus would be the first ones pointing it out..

waslaam 3lykoum wr wb :thankyou:

 

[Umar001]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem,

Since the topic is finished I thought I'd reply sister Confused.

wa3lykoum aslaam wr wb

It would help indeed if you'd quote the entire sentence, which ends with
whomever seeks the light of Allah swt, s/he shall find it, without all these acrobatics some scholars chose to subscribe to

Even if I add that to the part I quoted it still the same:

I really don't know why Dr. Naik chooses to spread da3wa to the Hindus in my personal opinion I think he should stay as far away from them as possible.. whomever seeks the light of Allah swt, s/he shall find it, without all these acrobatics some scholars chose to subscribe to..​

It is still saying he should not give da'wah, and the reason being, whoever seeks the light of Allah swt will find it. That is not a reason for not giving da'wah. If Allah did not use people people to give me da'wah then I wonder whether I would be a Muslim. The way I am understanding that statement is like saying, don't go working, whatever is written as provision will be for you, I am hoping you didn't mean it like that.

he shouldn't give dua3wa if the end result is a thousand islamphobic website by Hindus refuting what he is doing further go on to Insult Islam, Muslims, the prophet and Allah swt.. I need not bring them to this website for you, you merely need to search the web or youtube on the related subject to find out exactly what it is I am talking about!

Again I don't understand how possibly this is a point, maybe you mean he shouldn't give dua3wa in that way... But giving da'wah should be done, are we gonna stop calling people to Islam because some Kuffar are going to curse Allah?

As for the statistics, I think more people are impressed and have greater confidence in Islam due to Zakir Naik than the people who dislike him.

So you think what he is doing is ok?

Do I think giving da'wah by showing similarities and differences is ok? It depends on the time, audience, etc, but I don't see why it would not be. I don't study him so I don't know every detail of his debates/dialogues, thus I am not really here saying Zakir Naik is this or that, I am just saying that I was suprised at the statements made.

Another method that could potentially come and bite one in the @$$.. how many times have you seen Muslims use 'Mohammed mentioned in other scriptures' and what did the Christians comes and do with it? to be frank with you, the bible is its own biggest contradictions.. there really is no point in forcing folks to see something in their books they refuse to, but there is a huge advantage in showing them how erroneous their beliefs based on their own books.. again in my humble opinion!

To be honest with you sister, I have seen people talk about Miracles of the Qur'an which in the end they looked silly. This doesn't make me think the topic is wrong, only that the speaker needs more knowledge.

It depends on the person, I was interested to find the claims that Muhammad was spoken of in the Bible as a Christian.

Does 'a belief in a supreme being of many forms and natures' allude to 'one God'? again in my humble opinion NO!
Hinduism is wrought with nonsense, any which can possibly make for fertile grounds for a good theological debate.. I don't AT ALL agree with making Islam and object of similarity or comparison with Hinduism, the very thought makes me extremely angry, If I didn't know for a fact his intentions are good, I'd be very upset with him questioning what he hopes to gain with this mockery!

Again, I don't think that Zakir Naik is saying Islam and the Hindu Scriptures are similar in that. Rather, from what I recall of one of his lectures on this, he spoke about there being nothing like God, a statement taken from Hindu scriptures. Now, I cannot object to that statement. I don't think he has stated that Hinduism is NOW the same as Islam, otherwise there would be no need to give da'wah.

But just like to study with Christianity, looking at what Jesus might have said etc, he may like to do that with the Hindu Scriptures, and show possible references to the true God and Muhammad after having taken away the rubbish, just like I don't think a Father who rests and gets refreshed is anything like Allah, yet I do think that the Jews had an original scripture which they changed, and if I can find evidence for that then I will show them that.

I really don't see a problem with that.

Br.al-Habeshi

 

[doorster]

I really don't know why Dr. Naik chooses to spread da3wa to the Hindus in my personal opinion I think he should stay as far away from them as possible.. whomever seeks the light of Allah swt, s/he shall find it, without all these acrobatics some scholars chose to subscribe to..

I do not think he is really allowed to, I remember one of his venues in Chenai, India where Brothers Estes, Philips and Imaam Dr. Jafar Idris were guest speakers. After their speeches and Q & A session, a Western non-Muslim man wanted to say shahadat and almost caused himself to be arrested, and eventually became a Muslim upon his return to his home country.

He, like Ahmad Deedat -- who was managed like a prize fighter -- has caused much resentment and insults to Islam during many of his lectures.

after you humiliate people and their forefathers by proving them stupid, you alienate them and cause them to retaliate. Real life is NOT like an internet forum (where one can only get rid of a problem poster by exposing his lies) In real life you change people by making them like you and Islam by showing what is good about you and your religion and scripture.

No matter what prophesy he and Deedat saw about Hazrat Muhammad the Last Nabi and Rasul in kafir or any other Mushrik book. makes no difference to its believer for he already has a different understanding of it.

So Stop using kafir books to prove truth of Islam, Quraan and Saheeh Sunnat is Enough

I like much of his written work but hate his verbal wrestling matches (which no doubt wow the entertainment starved crowds but only manage to sicken me!)

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you all,

If you believe it is ok for Dr. Naik to give Da’wah, then it also makes it ok for Hindus, Christians, Sikhs and all others to do the same. The bottom line is we are all out trying to change other people, but seem to overlook the greater need to change ourselves.

I like the saying spread the Gospels, but only use words as a last resort. This means people should recognise your faith through your actions in your daily life.

I have heard Dr Naik speak a number of times and he is certainly very clever. However I feel many of you here on this forum put across Islam in a greater way than Dr. Naik, simply by saying how Islam influences and changes your own lives.

In the spirit of praying to one God,

Eric

 

[tbm2000]

What is the idealogical difference between Christianity and Islam?

 

[doorster]

What is the idealogical difference between Christianity and Islam?

hello,

I think first and foremost is oneness of The God. We believe in one single none shape shifting, self-sufficient deity, outside of his creation, whereas (to my understanding) my Christian Brethren have 3 in 1, and he can be born of a woman,can die, can feel pain, get confused and feel hunger etc.

eace:
112:1. say: He is The God, the one and Only;
112:2. The God, the Eternal, Absolute; [FONT=&quot]("Allâh-us-Samad (the Self-Sufficient master, whom All creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).
[/FONT] 112:3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
112:4. and there is none like unto Him.

 

[tbm2000]

Ok. But what does that mean as far as the interpretation of God's word?

 

[doorster]

Ok. But what does that mean as far as the interpretation of God's word?

I do not know how to answer that because:
There is not enough info in the above sentence for me to see where you stand nor are there enough posts by you to enable me to form a picture in my head.

anyhow, what is The God's word for me is outright blasphemy in Christianity and vice versa

eace:

 

[tbm2000]

I am asking how does the the oneness as opposed to the 3 in 1 affect message of God. As far as I know Christian believe in one true God

 

[doorster]

I am asking how does the the oneness as opposed to the 3 in 1 affect message of God. As far as I know Christian believe in one true God

okay! fair enough, I'll have to wait for Br. Woodrow to come online, then I shall, The God willing, formulate an answer with his help.

eace:

 

[tbm2000]

Thank you. I just am very uninformed about the differences.

 

[doorster]

You are most welcome!

5:48"And We have sent down to you the Book (Quran) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it [FONT=&quot], and guarding it In safety: [/FONT]. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way. If Allah willed, He would have made you one nation, but that (He) may test you in what He has given you; so strive as in a race in good deeds. The return of you (all) is to Allah; then He will inform you about that in which you used to differ."
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http://islamawakened.com/Quran/5/48/