Usama bin Ladin - “A Call to Jihad to Halt the Aggression on Gaza”

[Q8sobieski]

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I did not see the interview with George Bush but I have seen him interviewed many times. Of course he wanted to capture OBL. OBL was responsible for almost 3000 people being killed on 9-11 (despite what Triumphant says) and the vast majority of them were innocent people (only the Pentagon was a legitimate target under the Rules of Land Warfare). I am sure that Bush regrets not capturing OBL. Bush's job is to protect Americans! FIRST AND FOREMOST and we should give him credit for doing that. There have been no attacks on US soil since 9-11 whereas there have been horrible attacks in London, Madrid, Moscow, Beslan, Bali, and Saudi Arabia. And further attacks in the US, UK, Germany, Spain, and Canada have all been thwarted. I think, in a few years, people will look back fondly on "W".

If thats the case they wouldnt be kicking so much kuffar butt hence why theyre sending the troops from Iraq to afghanistan. Theyll still whimp out and give in eventually. Kafir infidel- "Oh no, my soldier buddy hurt his toe, right thats it lets leave this compound and go back to base to try and muster up some courage"

As another poster mentioned, "the real prize is over the border."

Furthermore, Daffodil, let me ask you: By continually fighting with NATO forces in Afghanistan, the Mujahideen draw their own civilians into the crossfire (some say this is a deliberate tactic) causing hundreds of civilian deaths in order to kill 1 or 2 kafr soldiers. Is this the sort of courage that you applaud? As of today, 981 kufr soldiers have died (combat-related) in Afghanistan since October 2001 (combat-related). Is this the noble Jihad that you want to see?

 

[aamirsaab]

Re: Usama bin Ladin - “A Call to Jihad to Halt the Aggression on Gaza”

I did not see the interview with George Bush but I have seen him interviewed many times. Of course he wanted to capture OBL. OBL was responsible for almost 3000 people being killed on 9-11 (despite what Triumphant says) and the vast majority of them were innocent people (only the Pentagon was a legitimate target under the Rules of Land Warfare). I am sure that Bush regrets not capturing OBL. Bush's job is to protect Americans! FIRST AND FOREMOST and we should give him credit for doing that. There have been no attacks on US soil since 9-11 whereas there have been horrible attacks in London, Madrid, Moscow, Beslan, Bali, and Saudi Arabia. And further attacks in the US, UK, Germany, Spain, and Canada have all been thwarted. I think, in a few years, people will look back fondly on "W".

8 years in afghanistan, 5 in Iraq? Is that what is neccessary for peace for one country? Don't you think that is a little sad and depressing that the only way for your country to have no arabs attacking it is by bombing two seperate arab countries into submission (one of which is comprised of sodding cavemen?)

Only things Bush will be remembered for are pointless deaths (that could have been avoided!), failing to capture OBL (how many videos has he sent to america?), Lying about WMD in Iraq and a size 10 aimed at his head.

What I will give him credit for though is his uncanny ability to manipulate emotion (albeit the easiest one: fear) on such a large scale (large enough to cause over ten times as many deaths as 9-11!).

Bravo, Bush - you good ol' genocidal maniac!

 

[Dawud_uk]

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getting back to the original post, is there any muslim that doubts the call to jihad in palestine being genuine and valid?

 

[IslamicRevival]

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getting back to the original post, is there any muslim that doubts the call to jihad in palestine being genuine and valid?

100% Valid in my opinion.

The Israeli terrorists have oppressed the Palestinians for far too long and its time to free them.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

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I see it as valid. I would gladly go there and help treat people if I was a doctor.

As for a physical jihad... I am not so sure that fighting Israeli troops would be in the best interest of the people. It seems like for every 1 you kill, they kill 100 of yours. Is it worth it over land?

I may be wrong though.



On the topic though, I find it odd that Osama is calling for a jihad when his actions have made life harder for so many Muslims around the globe.


We are in a jihad already. A jihad to undo the damage to Islam that Osama has done.

 

[IslamicRevival]

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I see it as valid. I would gladly go there and help treat people if I was a doctor.

As for a physical jihad... I am not so sure that fighting Israeli troops would be in the best interest of the people. It seems like for every 1 you kill, they kill 100 of yours. Is it worth it over land?

I may be wrong though.



On the topic though, I find it odd that Osama is calling for a jihad when his actions have made life harder for so many Muslims around the globe.


We are in a jihad already. A jihad to undo the damage to Islam that Osama has done.

I don't think we can blame it ALL on bin laden.

If someone provokes you... you are going to react.

America and the Zionist controlled media are to blame for the damage done.

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

Anti karate kid we are in a jihad(struggle) to undo the damage to islam this ummah has done as a whole by deviating from quran and sunnah its got nothing to do with Osama. The kuffar are just doing these things by coming out with this propaganda to get ignorant muslims emotional into doing something stupid or bringing out more draconian laws to make life difficult for muslims.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

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I don't think we can blame it ALL on bin laden.

If someone provokes you... you are going to react.

America and the Zionist controlled media are to blame for the damage done.

There are proper ways of reaction. We shouldn't let our anger blind our judgment. The Prophet and his companions were provoked but they did not go around butchering both the oppressors and innocent.

Even the worst zionist or "evil" American is a possible convert. Remember the Quraish and how even the most vile of them became the greatest Muslims.

 

[Dawud_uk]

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There are proper ways of reaction. We shouldn't let our anger blind our judgment. The Prophet and his companions were provoked but they did not go around butchering both the oppressors and innocent.

Even the worst zionist or "evil" American is a possible convert. Remember the Quraish and how even the most vile of them became the greatest Muslims.

it would perhaps help your education to see how the jews were judged after the battle of the trench and if you looked at the example of the siege engines used in the conquest of taif.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

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it would perhaps help your education to see how the jews were judged after the battle of the trench and if you looked at the example of the siege engines used in the conquest of taif.

I'm half asleep brother, could you tell me?

 

[Dawud_uk]

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I'm half asleep brother, could you tell me?

not without possibly getting banned, strange as that is given this is an islamic forum.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

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not without possibly getting banned, strange as that is given this is an islamic forum.

Wait so you disagree with me?

 

[AntiKarateKid]

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The Kaa'ba is worth more than one Muslim. It is a symbol to all mankind. Keeping that is worth dying for.

 

[Dawud_uk]

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Wait so you disagree with me?

i dont agree 100% with sheikh osama but i dont disagree 100% either, it is not a black and white issue and investigating the seige of taif and what was done with the jews after the battle of the trench will give you some extra insight into why this is not a black and white issue.

 

[IceQueen~]

Something ineteresting about bin Laden: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape.html?q=osamatape.html

And as for the blood of a Muslim being more precious than the Ka'bah- that was quoted by Sh. Tawfique Chowdhury. I'm not sure who he quoted though- whether it was a companion or a scholar.

 

[Qingu]

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I saw a clip of bush being interviewed about his last few weeks/days as president and they were talking about sheikh Osama. The interviewer was asking him how he still hasnt found Bin Laden and how does he feel about it etc. The look on Bush's face was priceless. He looked so enraged and was saying, We will find him, dead or alive, we will find him. He looked defeated.

Subhanallah, they plan and Allah swt plans and he is the best of planners. They still havent found him. May Allah swt preserve him and be the leading cause of victory to the Muslims globally ameen. (I am not condoning terrorism, neither am I promoting it. Bush is the terrorist, not the freedom fighters)

Does crashing planes into buildings and killing 3,000 people count as terrorism? Because bin Laden supports that, and here you are supporting bin Laden.

Or are you one of those people who thinks 9/11 is a giant Jewish conspiracy or something?

It is interesting, as always, to come here and see so many Muslims openly declare support for bin Laden and al-Qaeda and other violent fanatics, while the moderators and admins look on with the occasional mild rebuke.

 

[Qingu]

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100% Valid in my opinion.

The Israeli terrorists have oppressed the Palestinians for far too long and its time to free them.

And how on earth would a violent jihad free them?

I'd like an earnest answer, please. Osama bin Laden is calling for a violent jihad against Israeli interests. He wants Muslims to go fight Israelis and blow themselves up to kill Jews and Americans. What possible reason do you have for thinking this strategy would help the Palestinians at all?

Has violently attacking Israel (or America) ever worked to benefit the Palestinians, or Muslims in general?

 

[Qingu]

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There are proper ways of reaction. We shouldn't let our anger blind our judgment. The Prophet and his companions were provoked but they did not go around butchering both the oppressors and innocent.

Even the worst zionist or "evil" American is a possible convert. Remember the Quraish and how even the most vile of them became the greatest Muslims.

AntiKarateKid, you know I've disagreed with you a lot on here. But not about this. I don't think it matters if you are a Muslim, Christian, or atheist to see that you are right here, because it's this simple:

Violence will not help Palestinians free themselves from occupation. It has never helped. It never will help.

Every time a suicide bomber following orders from bin Laden's jihad blows himself up to kill Israelis, Israel is just going to be more inclined to elect right-wing scumbags and respond with even more disproportionate violence.

Al-Qaeda flew planes into the World Trade Center and killed 3,000 people. Did this act of jihad help Muslims out at all? No—it provoked America. It gave Bush and the neocons an excuse to go to war, and otherwise peaceful Americans were so pissed off that they let him go to war for no reason. Violence begets violence.

If Islam is truly a religion of forgiveness and mercy, then I'm surprised there aren't more Muslims like AntiKarateKid on here, who reject violent revenge and holy wars for peaceful reconciliation.

 

[IceQueen~]

^What do you suggest Qingu? What do you think will be the best way to free the Palestinians from Isreal's terrorrism?

It's easy to say what NOT to do but what SHOULD be done?

 

[Keltoi]

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^What do you suggest Qingu? What do you think will be the best way to free the Palestinians from Isreal's terrorrism?

It's easy to say what NOT to do but what SHOULD be done?

Just ponder for a second. Take what you believe about God, what you understand of God's Will, and apply it to the situation. Is violence the answer? Is it doing good things for the Palestinian people?

If one believes Israel to be at fault and responsible for the violence, is the answer to respond with like actions? If God is to have mercy on Palestinians, will that occur as a result of Hamas acting like Israelis? Does God view the death of an innocent Palestinian to be more important than the death of an innocent Jew?

What is the solution? Well, we know what isn't a solution, and that is violence. Violence creates violence.