Question to Atheists: Male/Female how?

[Hamayun]

Since the Kaafirs have not answered the question let me take the opportunity:

Quran: 049.013
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female

 

[Trumble]

Oh dear.. sorry about the negative rep! I'll 'replace' it when the system lets me. It was actually from someone else, who shall remain nameless (but who has not actually posted in this thread), who said

You made absolutely no effort to answer the questions posted but instead reitierated the evolutionists hope that "science will one day" have an answer. Science is your god while Allah is mine. Lakum deen ukum wa liya deen!

.. I should have looked rather closer. :X

Funny how you hurl abuse and then claim others are arrogant? Whats the matter? Did I touch a nerve?

No, although it seems I have. I didn't "hurl abuse and then claim others are arrogant". I simply accused you of arrogance in view of one particular remark. You are, of course, quite at liberty to disagree with that assessment.

I really couldn't care less what your opinions are of me.

In which case, that won't be a problem!

Peace.

Likewise.

 

[Gator]

he siad no googling are you stupid gator>>>>>>>?
no googling dont have a fool of yourself.

Al & Chuck, I didn't "google" these articles. I had read them recently (before this post) and they were relevant to male/female evolution.

I think the idea of the introduction of random chance (gaussian) by the process of male/female evolution to produce a successful structure in the presence of adaptive change is interesting.

Have a nice day.

 

[Gator]

Since the Kaafirs have not answered the question let me take the opportunity:

Quran: 049.013
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female

OK Great! So how did he do that? Also why? Why not three or four sexes? Why just two?

Thanks.

 

[Trumble]

Since the Kaafirs have not answered the question let me take the opportunity:

Quran: 049.013
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female

How, exactly, does that answer your own question? It's a quote from the Qur'an that has nothing to do with evolution. Indeed, while it doesn't contradict evolution, it does exclude the origin of 'mankind' from that process. Indeed all it mentions is mankind.. you question was 'rather' more general, as I recall?!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your opinion seems to be that evolution by natural selection (presumably excluding homo sapiens, according to your last) is a reality, but that the process was designed to produce particular results according to God's plan? If that is so then the division into sexes must still have happened, and therefore there is still a need for theories as to how ('why' now being sorted) it happened, what the process was. I don't see how whether it was 'planned' or not matters at all in that context. People still ask how the Egyptians build the Pyramids, but nobody claims they were accidents or the results of 'chance'! Even if there were an agreed theory, originating from atheists or not, it wouldn't rule out the possibility that the evolutionary mechanism was planned to generate particular results.

 

[Hamayun]

I am not getting into a debate about my beliefs. I simply stated my favourite theory.

I am waiting for other alternative theories from Atheists that explain my original questions.

Peace

 

[Gator]

I am not getting into a debate about my beliefs. I simply stated my favourite theory.

I am waiting for other alternative theories from Atheists that explain my original questions.

Peace

OK that's cool. My guess is that it came about by natural processes.

Thanks.

 

[Hamayun]

OK that's cool. My guess is that it came about my natural processes.

Thanks.

Yep I know that is the general idea in Atheism but I am hoping someone can explain

a) what were the possible causes and stages that led to having Male and Female sexual organs and a reproductive system.

b) What caused the humans to have all the tools necessary to:

1) Produce sperms in males

2) Make the sperms self powered and capable of swimming directly into the eggs getting past all hurdles.

3) Female egg accept sperms.

4) Having a way of fertilizing the egg with only 1 sperm and lock the rest out.

5) Have a womb, uterus, umblical chord etc to sustain the foetus and feed it etc in the womb.

6) Have a way to extract the baby at the right time without the need for surgery.

7) Have breasts so as to feed the baby when the baby is unable to eat.

And the list continues.....

Look forward to the answers to the above points

Peace

 

[Zamtsa]

The site said "These uncertainties aside, it is becoming clear that genomes are not the randomly arranged set of genes that we might have imagined them to be. But is this also true at a smaller scale? For example, could natural selection explain which genes are next to each other on a given chromosome? The clustering of broadly expressed genes13, such as those for the everyday running of cells, suggests that small-scale gene arrangements are not always random. These could be exceptions rather than the rule, however, and clarification of the issues awaits the sequencing of the complete genomes of more organisms."


This means that Allahu Al Mushawwir(The Fashioner) which made it into being by putting genes in order. Agnostic got no part in Nubuwwat of Rasulullah.


1 Say: O ye that reject Faith! 6289
2 I worship not that which ye worship
3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 6290
4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship
5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6 To you be your Way and to me mine.



Al Hasyr(59):24 He is Allah the Creator the Evolver the Bestower of Forms (or colors). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: Whatever is in the heavens and on earth doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the exalted in Might the Wise.

Hybrid marriage came from Ikhtiyar (action) of men to marry them. Allahu Ta'ala only marry between a she and a he. The so called volution could not breed a he with a he, or a she with a she.

Assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.

 

[Gator]

Yep I know that is the general idea in Atheism but I am hoping someone can explain

I've got an idea, you give me your specific guess for each question as to how god did it and I'll give you my guess at the natural process.

That way I could learn what you think and you learn what I think.

Also, I could work off your framework to answer the questions (if I even have a guess, which will probably be no for most if not all of them).

 

[Trumble]

Hamayun, I just don't see what your 'theory' is supposed to be? If it is simply that all of those things happened just because God used his omnipotent power to make them happen - in short 'straight' creationism - that's fine, I understand you. But you claim to 'believe' in planned evolution. If that is so then the answer to all those questions will be 'as a result of evolution'... all that is uncertain is the exact mechanisms of what evolved from what, and which selective factors were responsible. That is exactly the same whether the evolutionary process was designed by God or not. So how do you explain them?

 

[Zamtsa]

I've got an idea, you give me your specific guess for each question as to how god did it and I'll give you my guess at the natural process.

That way I could learn what you think and you learn what I think.

Also, I could work off your framework to answer the questions (if I even have a guess, which will probably be no for most if not all of them).

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Rahiim


1. The water is having the right percentage of hidrogen and oxygen, it is not solid nor gas.

2. The range between the sun and the earth which is perfect.

3. The scientists had declare over and over again in the 21th century that if there was even 0,00000...1 fault, then the earth wouldn't be created like now and so too with everything in Allah's nature.

4. The scientist already said that the universes were created out of nothing. While we live in this earth having oxigen, water, sun heat, atmospheres which are the shield from the radiants of the sun.

5. Evolution never existed because there were no animals which were a half transformed. That explained in an animal which could produce a hot and poisonous liquid sprays, and the liquid was inside its belly, If evolution happened to this animals, then these animals will die before that, because it saved that kind of liquid and it does have a protection wall inside its stomach.


Assalamu manit taba'al huda(May peace be upon who follow the guidance)

 

[Chuck]

Hamayun, I just don't see what your 'theory' is supposed to be? If it is simply that all of those things happened just because God used his omnipotent power to make them happen - in short 'straight' creationism - that's fine, I understand you. But you claim to 'believe' in planned evolution. If that is so then the answer to all those questions will be 'as a result of evolution'... all that is uncertain is the exact mechanisms of what evolved from what, and which selective factors were responsible. That is exactly the same whether the evolutionary process was designed by God or not. So how do you explain them?

This is not really related to this topic, you can start your own topic.

 

[Muezzin]

Play nice, please.

Sex articles (its a pay site though) - http://www.nature.com/nrg/focus/evolsex/index.html

That sounds so wrong.

 

[Faisal Pervaiz]

You know whats funny, Athiests still havent answered any of the questions.
It looks like the athiests dont have an answer.

Well it just shows how all this is a planned process and was created by the almighty Allah

 

[Keltoi]

The question is rhetorical and senseless. If one person says evolution is a natural process, and the other says God made it happen...what is really the difference besides the obvious athiest/theist debate? An athiest might say that evolution is a natural process without any divine plan...and a theist will say that evolution is a natural process with a divine plan. In the end, it is all about whether one believes God is responsible or not.

 

[Hamayun]

I thought the questions are quite straightforward. I am not asking for evidence... I am asking for theories... similar to the ones that get thrown around on all the other evolution threads.

Once again... If there is no design/plan involved then:

a) what were the possible causes and stages that led to having Male and Female sexual organs and a reproductive system.

b) What caused the humans to have all the tools necessary to:

1) Produce sperms in males

2) Make the sperms self powered and capable of swimming directly into the eggs getting past all hurdles.

3) Female egg accept sperms.

4) Having a way of fertilizing the egg with only 1 sperm and lock the rest out.

5) Have a womb, uterus, umblical chord etc to sustain the foetus and feed it etc in the womb.

6) Have a way to extract the baby at the right time without the need for surgery.

7) Have breasts so as to feed the baby when the baby is unable to eat.

 

[ninetrey]

I am no expert on this, but for a religious person just to ignore 'evolution' and pretend it doesn't exist is foolish in my opinion. Animals are changing right now; new species are being bred. Who's to say 'change' isn't possible? In some cases, intentionally. Humans change dogs, create new breeds with different instincts. If you say it is, then how can evolution not be?

As for the gender question, I'm not an evolutionist by that I don't study and claim it. I believe in the general notion, and have nothing against the theory that we branched off from monkehz. So, I could probably not answer with credible information.

But, I do think that the 'everything was planned out and has been the same' mindset seems a bit shallow in thinking. Maybe it was, by Allah, but to think things can't change evolutionary is putting a lot out of Allah's hands, isn't it? There're a lot of things about evolution one can't just push into the rubbish bin. This also puts dinosaurs and the neanderthalic fossils into question for the religious people. Please, don't pretend you have all the answers when we still have unanswered questions.

So maybe someone, hopefully, with more knowledge than me can answer the gender question. I am also interested in hearing what explanation there is.

(Agnostic, not Atheist.)

1) Atheists should be banned from this forum

2) Atheists and Agnostics are exactly the same thing because you both dont believe in god and thats what its all about.

3) And if the evolution is true then why does the physic of the human body dont change nomore? Maby a third eye or a second mouth or a new race
anybody?

the evolution is a lie from the **** lapidaded shäytan and those who believe in in are insane and will be punished in this life with disgrace and in next life (Hell for you) with pain, fire and whips of steel.

Allahu Akbar

 

[ninetrey]

by the way the human race not already excists since millions of years!!!
the human race excists since something like 5000 - and 10000 years!!
the first human was adam and were all are adams children!!!!!!
neanderthalers never excisted and all the found scelletons and sculls
of so called apes are fake and an invention of the **** lapidaded shäytan faggot iblis!!! charles darwin was a gay padophile alcoholic and he was a slave of the devil iblis(f.a.g.g.o.t.)!!! is there more to say?

 

[Gator]

I thought the questions are quite straightforward. I am not asking for evidence... I am asking for theories... similar to the ones that get thrown around on all the other evolution threads...

Well let's do this. I've never studied up on the evolution of sex so to make this interesting I'll give my guesses now then study up on the current scientific literature to see where I was wrong, right or N/A.

a)big question. I would say that along the line somewhere exchange of genetic material came about through a change in the genetic material. The upshot of this was stable given the adaptive environment. This delinated into male/female.

b) inherited from ancestors (since you specifically state human I'll keep my answers to us and not where the actual ability came about).

1) like male fish produce sperm we got it from our ancestors.

2) Mammalian trait since fish just spread it about in the water, we need an more liquid environment given the amniote. So we go this somewhere in the land/sea transition.

3) See fish (we inherited the trait from an earlier ancestor).

4) Adaptive change from earlier ancestor where single genetic material introduction with lock out was more successful.

5) Land based ancestor. See amniote.

6) From earlier adaption of any number of ancestors. (On a side note, I wouldn't call this exact as allah has killed billions of kids and mothers to be due to inexact timing over the history of mankind. Blind evolution makes this horrible suffering more understandable).

7) Inherited. It would seem reasonable to me that more complex creatures would be more successful should they be able to care and sustain their offspring.

The questions are a little poorly worded (no offense, that's why i wanted your answers to guide me). I'm sure you'll refine your questions as we proceed. My next responses will be mainly researched (I'll define where I'm giving my own opinions as I did in this case).

This sounds like it will be an interesting enterprise.

Thanks.