Muslim mother excluded from school parents' evening for wearing veil

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The school is clearly taking this too far. I think she should be able to wear it and maybe just be given a visitors pass or something that people can tell who she is.

As for the catholic school, maybe they wanted to send their children to a better school and did not have the option of an Islamic school. Public schools are not the best here in America and InshAllah when I have kids I will send them to private school. InshAllah it will be an Islamic school.
 
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The woman, who does not wish to be named, said: "I explained that I was willing to take off the veil in front of the female teachers, but not the male teachers.
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I don't why it was made into such a problem when it takes a few seconds to identify a person. They could have had a couple of woman see her, and then give her some sort of a badge that would say she was 'identified' or inspected. To go farther than that is irrational. It clearly said identification purposes...not terrorist check.


fi aman Allah
w'salaam
 
kwolney01 said:
The school is clearly taking this too far. I think she should be able to wear it and maybe just be given a visitors pass or something that people can tell who she is.

As for the catholic school, maybe they wanted to send their children to a better school and did not have the option of an Islamic school. Public schools are not the best here in America and InshAllah when I have kids I will send them to private school. InshAllah it will be an Islamic school.
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once again home schooling is a perfectly legal option to take in america as well as britain.
 
kwolney01 said:
The school is clearly taking this too far. I think she should be able to wear it and maybe just be given a visitors pass or something that people can tell who she is.

As for the catholic school, maybe they wanted to send their children to a better school and did not have the option of an Islamic school. Public schools are not the best here in America and InshAllah when I have kids I will send them to private school. InshAllah it will be an Islamic school.
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that it is a catholic school doesnt say much. i personally went to a church of england school and half the students were muslim. its still state funded and all that
 
Dawud_uk said:
it is agreed by all muslims that the hijab and modest clothing is a must for women to wear outdoors or she is sinning.

some scholars also believe the clothing should be long and hide the shape of the body,

others also hold the niqab to be compuslory as well, others say the long clothing and niqab are voluntary but strongly stressed.
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Isn't that the answer to many of the questions I've been asking? The reason nothing is clear in Islam is because there are so many scholars with so many different interpretations!!
 
nadia85 said:
The school should have more respect for the lady
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The Knights Templar was a religious group, how would the people of Bradford feel about me walking amongst them dressed in the style of the Knights Templar? On a scale of 1 - 10 how insensitive do you think that would be? And that’s Bradford UK, the land of the kafir. How far would I get walking through the streets of a Muslim country dressed in the style of the Knights Templar?
 
Thinker said:
The Knights Templar was a religious group, how would the people of Bradford feel about me walking amongst them dressed in the style of the Knights Templar? On a scale of 1 - 10 how insensitive do you think that would be? And that’s Bradford UK, the land of the kafir. How far would I get walking through the streets of a Muslim country dressed in the style of the Knights Templar?
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whats that? they'd prbably not even know who you're dressed as, lol
 
Hi Thinker,
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Isn't that the answer to many of the questions I've been asking? The reason nothing is clear in Islam is because there are so many scholars with so many different interpretations!!
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It is an exaggeration to say that nothing is clear in Islam. There are differences of opinion on certain issues (Ikhtilaf) and these are acceptable, so long as they are firmly rooted in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The Muslim must follow what they deem to be the strongest opinion and the most correct.
 
Osman said:
Hi Thinker, It is an exaggeration to say that nothing is clear in Islam. There are differences of opinion on certain issues (Ikhtilaf) and these are acceptable, so long as they are firmly rooted in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The Muslim must follow what they deem to be the strongest opinion and the most correct.
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Greetings Osman,

With respect, to find the difference between "nothing is clear in Islam" and "there are differences of opinion on certain issues" is symantecs. Of course there are many things which are clear like which way you face during prayer but these things are clear (in my opinion) because they are not contentious, anying contended appears to have a many interpretations.
 
Greetings Thinker,
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With respect, to find the difference between "nothing is clear in Islam" and "there are differences of opinion on certain issues" is symantecs.
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Perhaps I interpreted your words too literally, since in the literal sense there is a big difference between those two statements!

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Of course there are many things which are clear like which way you face during prayer
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Agreed.

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but these things are clear (in my opinion) because they are not contentious, anying contended appears to have a many interpretations.
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What do you mean by contentious? Do you mean ambiguous? If so, then to say anything that is ambiguous has many interpretations is still an exaggeration in my opinion (and I hope I'm not getting into semantics again!). For the issue of Niqab, there are essentially two interpretations. One interpretations sees it as obligatory and the other sees it as recommended but not obligatory. It's as simple as that. :)

Regards
 
Whatsthepoint said:
And in places a veiled person doesn't pose any significant danger as well as hospitals.
Or you could also think of a way that enables a niqabi to prove he or she is not wearing a bomb or anything illegal underneath the holy cloth.
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*charisma* said:
Assalamu Alaikum



I don't why it was made into such a problem when it takes a few seconds to identify a person. They could have had a couple of woman see her, and then give her some sort of a badge that would say she was 'identified' or inspected. To go farther than that is irrational. It clearly said identification purposes...not terrorist check.


fi aman Allah
w'salaam
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Most exactly and definitely, please anyone who ignored or didn't see the post above, read it.

Safety is a must. But believe it or not, you can hide different kinds of dangerous equipment even inside your bra or other pieces of underwear.

It also baffles me, this identifying a parent, because I've never gone through such. I took my Mum, whom no one has ever seen, only her name and there she was, everyone gladly accepted she's my Mum although, we did not looks too much alike, only if you really inspect our features, you'd see similiarity. No one asked for a photo-ID, which I assume they asked this woman? Is this a usual procedur by British schools?

Once upon a time in a all white school you'd take a black mother into to halls to meet the teachers, so that the white parents wouldn't have to see her. They gave excuses and explanations then. Today we give other reasons, we all say they are justified more or less. I wonder what people will think of us in 50-100 years from now?
Our culture, indigenous people. If only one would realize, there's very, very little "indigenous" about today's majority races and people. Many cultures were man-created not too long ago, when there was need for a different kind of unity which had not been met before. Think about this.
 
It also baffles me, this identifying a parent, because I've never gone through such. I took my Mum, whom no one has ever seen, only her name and there she was, everyone gladly accepted she's my Mum although, we did not looks too much alike, only if you really inspect our features, you'd see similiarity. No one asked for a photo-ID, which I assume they asked this woman? Is this a usual procedur by British schools?
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nope its not generally done at all.i have been to pick up nephews and niece from school and the teachers have never asked me to show my face to see if i am 'really' their aunt. (like you said- it wont have shown anything) and there are other veil wearers there and the teachers know exactly who they are without having to ask (by seeing their eyes) so that closes the argument that niqabis cant be identified. and im from this same town.

the argument that something dangerous can be hidden an abaya is absolutely ridiculous, the majority of abaya wearers here arent in massive cloaks that can fit 2 people under. infact a weapon can just as easily be hidden under a coat.
 
Aleykum selam,

Thank you for your reply, amani. I see. Just makes it even more pathetic they give that as an excuse, which is a serious excuse, if it is not a 'normal' procedur at schools.

You can hide weapons almost anywhere if you really want to hide it, which is very frightening, but this is a fact we gotta live with.
 
Osman said:
Hi Thinker, It is an exaggeration to say that nothing is clear in Islam. There are differences of opinion on certain issues (Ikhtilaf) and these are acceptable, so long as they are firmly rooted in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The Muslim must follow what they deem to be the strongest opinion and the most correct.
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Hmm, what if the school said it had a different opinion on the compulsury status of the niqab and hence didn't think it necessary to let the woman in?
 
While it is not particularly difficult to identify someone, allowing people who are initially totally unidentifiable into places like schools is asking for trouble. Once you make something exempt from the rules then that will be abused by people who are not as well meaning as this woman.
 
Would you apply that ^ to a student who wears the niqab?

Rules are easily abused, there are several examples, why should the niqab especially make a greater danger than the other dangers?

What if the person is identified and given some kind of badget prooving and visible to the people, should this person be allowed to enter the building?
 
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