Alcohol, Prostitution Rife in New Iraq

Short-lived happiness from misguided Iraqis who thought for a second that the fall of a corrupt government would at least mean the decade old sanctions will end and the americans would actually bugger off now. Instead they installed a puppet, syphoned funds, and plugged a big fat pipe down to their backyard oil refinery.

I guess we shall see about that in the end. The more violence is getting down, the faster USA is leaving and Iraqi people have their elections to elect whomever they wish. I haven't actually seen any real evidence to support your claims it's just the usual anti-American rant.
 
as an american, i think the american government is in the wrong for going to iraq to begin with. it just caused more problems (as if the world didnt already have enough of them) and amani is right, the usa government didnt "see" hussein as a dictator as long as he was beneficial for them to tolerate. kind of like the same situation with the previous dictator in pakistan that was backed by the usa. as long as they are pro-usa, they can be as dictator like as they want. sounds hypocritical to me.
 
Support terrorism? You mean as per George Bush wildly unsupported claim? Or are you referring to the WMD's that were never found in the first place, and even if they were, they would have been within their rights? And the terrorists that you are referring to, you mean the same people that used to be USA's "closest ally" when the fighting was against the Soviet Union and they were back then "Freedom fighting mujahideen" to quote Ronald Reagan?

And yes, I am sure that Iraq now with rampant prostitution and alcoholism and death toll in the millions can be diluted down in description to a simple "the people are having a beer!"

Come on Clover, you can do better than this.

How do you know they didn't sell the WMD's back to the original owner? That has been a long-known theory, and we don't know if they ever did or didn't have WMD's.

The U.S. aided them to fight for their own freedom, we didn't know after we did that, they'd help terrorists that planned on murdering Americans.

lol, I am doing what I want, expressing a opinoin.
 
I have noticed that Islamonline likes to point out only bad things that happen in nowadays Iraq, as if nothing good happens there lately.


what good has been happening?

you have the scientists of the country either fleeing or murdered:

Targeted for Murder, Iraqi Scientists Named on a Hit List
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conte...text=iraq&issue=5782&searchid=1&RESULTFORMAT=


Mossad mission: Murder Iraqi scholars
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More than 500 Iraqi scientists and professors have been murdered by Israel's Mossad intelligence agency, an Iraqi newspaper reports.

The report stated that the killings were part of a mission to get rid of those Iraqi nuclear specialists and university professors that refused to cooperate with the Zionist regime.

The assassinations were carried out by Mossad and the US Defense Department - the Pentagon.

So far 350 scientists and 200 professors have been surreptitiously murdered by Israeli Mossad commandoes, deployed to Iraq exclusively to carry out these atrocities.

According to the US State Department, these killings came after Washington's attempts to entice Iraqi scientists to cooperate with the US failed.

Many specialists living in the US also refused to comply and fled, seeking refuge in other countries. Those willing to cooperate suffered grueling interrogations and even torture by the hands of US officials.

According to the Al-Bayna newspaper, Tel Aviv sees these scientists posing a threat to the security of the Zionist regime, and has decided the best way to deal with this is to assassinate the offending intellectuals.

The Pentagon expressed its approval of such a scheme seven months ago, dispatching back-up for the Israeli commandoes, and also providing them with full personal records of the targeted victims.

The scholars are killed far from their homes in staged scenarios, taking advantage of the regularly expected bomb attacks happening every day in Iraq.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=34398

and then you have the debauchery, baseness and poverty that happens under most western imperialistic occupations .. it is only a leeway for the scum of the earth to take charge.
Iraq under Sadaam wasn't wonderful that is true, but it is their own business, it was certainly better than this, so who is to blame?
such occurrences have indeed increased subsequent to the occupation, it doesn't take a genius or Islamonline to draw that conclusion. It is obvious as day!
 
Could you possibly quote that article, or at least the relevant chunks of it? You seem to have to be a subscriber to read it.

BTW, you don't actually believe that Press TV fairy story do you?
of your first query

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Isam Kadhem F. al-Rawi
Association of Muslim scholars in Iraq

The founder and head of the Iraqi Association of University Lecturers, Isam Kadhem F. al-Rawi, was assassinated on 30 October. This news strikes a blow to efforts to build scientific capacity in the country.
Al-Rawi, who was a candidate for the position of higher education and scientific research minister in Iraq, was shot dead by gunmen near his house in Baghdad in what appears to be a coordinated campaign against Iraqi intellectuals.
"Once again the wave of killing has reached a top Iraqi scientist, making it more difficult for promoting science development and establishing a knowledge-based economy in war-torn Iraq," Malik Alasmar, an Iraqi researcher based at the University of Ghent in Belgium, told SciDev.Net.
In June it was discovered that a hit list was being circulated among Iraqi assassins, calling for the murder of 461 scientists, university officials, engineers, doctors and journalists in Iraq (see Hit list names hundreds of Iraqi scientists).
Alasmar indicated that this new event highlights the importance of providing protection for Iraqi scientists given the current security crisis.
"The Iraqi authorities, the US-led coalition forces and international science and technology [organisations] as well as human rights organisations should take coordinated action to stop this ongoing murdering campaign of Iraqi scientists," he said.
Al-Rawi was a professor of geology at the Earth Sciences Department of the University of Baghdad, and had been cataloguing the assassinations of academics in occupied Iraq since the 2003 US-led invasion.
He was a member of the Shoura council — a body that acts similarly to Western parliaments — of the Association of Muslim scholars in Iraq that represents Sunni Muslim religious leaders in Iraq.
He believed that assassins were targeting well-known Iraqi scholars in a coordinated effort to force them to leave the country, thus hindering the country's reconstruction.
Nabil Al-Tikriti, an Iraqi assistant professor at the US-based University of Mary Washington agrees a coordinated campaign, or perhaps several campaigns of intellectual 'liquidation' seem well underway in Iraq.
"Not a single one of those responsible for these 300 plus murders has ever been apprehended, and no public investigation of any of these murders has yet been launched."
"Al-Rawi died attempting to bring attention to this disturbing trend, and will be sorely missed by the Iraqi academic community whom he was striving to assist," Al-Tikriti told SciDev.Net.


and the answer to your second is--yes I do!

all the best
 
The U.S. aided them to fight for their own freedom, we didn't know after we did that, they'd help terrorists that planned on murdering Americans.

I believe this is a very twisted interpretation.
why not resort to the more straightforward interpretation that they didn't want the american interference in the first place, and that they despise the american invasion so much that they are murdering the American soldiers.
 
How do you know they didn't sell the WMD's back to the original owner? That has been a long-known theory, and we don't know if they ever did or didn't have WMD's.
The U.S. aided them to fight for their own freedom, we didn't know after we did that, they'd help terrorists that planned on murdering Americans.

lol, I am doing what I want, expressing a opinoin.

This is a very shallow way to look at america in Iraq. The whole point The US went into to Iraq was Prmiary for there own gain - ofcourse it didnt work our for them.

The UN reports are sufficent to tell us if Iraq had WMDs and furthermore America which is one of the biggest arms dealer around today should have known how powerful Iraq actually was, besides it was one of the countries that supplied Saddam with all the crazy arms that he used - eg the killing of the Kurds and the Iran - Iraq war.

Murdering americans(militery) is one thing but the murderering of innocent Iraqis is a totally different thing. Like Abu Gharib.
 
This is a very shallow way to look at america in Iraq. The whole point The US went into to Iraq was Prmiary for there own gain - ofcourse it didnt work our for them.

The UN reports are sufficent to tell us if Iraq had WMDs and furthermore America which is one of the biggest arms dealer around today should have known how powerful Iraq actually was, besides it was one of the countries that supplied Saddam with all the crazy arms that he used - eg the killing of the Kurds and the Iran - Iraq war.

Murdering americans(militery) is one thing but the murderering of innocent Iraqis is a totally different thing. Like Abu Gharib.

We went to Iraq, to do many things, yes, some were for us, but many of them were for the Iraqi people.

We supplied Saddam to help fight the Russians, I do not know about killing kurds...

Life is Life.

I believe this is a very twisted interpretation.
why not resort to the more straightforward interpretation that they didn't want the american interference in the first place, and that they despise the american invasion so much that they are murdering the American soldiers.

Yet, they accepted aid?
 
Americans don't have family morals? This is new to me, I didn't know that. I guess when my family taught me to never hit a girl, always to address older people as sir/maam, and to always open the door for others, that was just something different...

Unfortunately, for the people outside USA... they knew about Americans from MTV, E! Channel, HBO, AXN etc...
 
We went to Iraq, to do many things, yes, some were for us, but many of them were for the Iraqi people.
We supplied Saddam to help fight the Russians, I do not know about killing kurds...
Life is Life.
Yet, they accepted aid?
Did Saddam fought the Russians ?. When ?.
During Iraq-Iran war Iraqi used Russian weapons.
And what country that sold weapons to Iranian ?. You can ask your history theacher, what was Iran-Contra scandal ?.

There are two people that always described themselves as oppressed people under Saddam's government.

First, Kurdish. They want to establish their own country, Kurdistan. Their claimed area are northern Iraq and southern Turkey. During Iraq-Iran war, Iranian promises them to help their freedom, then they help Iranian for fight aginst Iraq, that's why Saddam kill them.

Second, Shia. Although Shias are nearly 60% in Iraqi people, Saddam and his men are Sunni. Shia always described themselves as second class people under Saddam govt.

Pentagon sees Kurd and Iraqi Shia as allies. When agression on Iraq began, US military supplied them with weapons, they US military recruits Shia as Iraqi Police under US military, and swept out Sunni people from government.
Now Iraq has downed into sectarian clash between Shia and Sunni.

Yes, they have accepted aid. But they are not all of Iraqi people, but US allies only.
 
Life is Life.

not for the people who take life unjustly like killing innocents - they get whacked like Saddam Hussien.

We supplied Saddam to help fight the Russians, I do not know about killing kurds...

- I have to remind you of the Iran Iraq war - america armed Saddam then and he was very dangerous then thats why he could easily kill the Kurds and america turned a blind eye.

and your statement

some were for us, but many of them were for the Iraqi people.

No who ever who was american went for america - nobody went for the Iraqis in Iraq - rule number one about modern states - they look out for themselves - Iraq is the same - so is america.
 
hmmm just to play devils advocate even in America prostitution isn't legal. you know it started with the militants putting so many restrictions upon them in the first place. its like letting a starved man into a grocery store he will probably over consume himself to death. the militants should have been less strict even in islam there is no compulsion in religion.
 
Iraq's Gay Life

By Afif Sarhan, IOL Correspondent

BAGHDAD — Gay life is thriving in post-invasion Iraq with many places becoming openly homosexual-friendly amid efforts by social groups and religious leaders to reverse the trend.

"The gay community in Iraq is increasing despite the fear from extremists," Salahdinne Abdullah al-Rabia’a, a social worker in the capital Baghdad, told IslamOnline.net.

Contrary to reports that homosexuals are going underground, gays are reportedly gaining choices and places in the war-torn country.

In the first years after the US-led invasion, militant attacks had led gays to go into hiding.

But now, nearly seven years, gay life is taking some roots with central Baghdad emerging as their popular meeting point.

With very few money, as cheep as US $3, gay couples are able to spend hours in hotels with no worries of attacks or security arrests.

Cinemas, taverns and specific corners are the new havens for homosexuals, particularly males.

"I have to allow such sexual behaviors in my place because if I don’t, I will be forced to close my business due to the lack of clients," argues Abu Ruwaida, a cinema owner in downtown Baghdad.

"They are adults and have their social and religious conscious. If someone will punish them, it will be God and not me."

Homosexuality is totally prohibited in Islam as well as in all divine religions.

Islam teaches that believers should neither do the obscene acts, nor in any way indulge in their propagation.

Business

Some homosexuals, such as Tarik Kammar, are even turning this into a business.

Kammar, not his real name, spends hours standing at the corners of central Baghdad streets looking for clients who usually drive slowly around the roads looking for gay prostitutes.

"I’m gay but what drove me into prostitution was the unemployment in Iraq," said the 26-year-old, adding that he is paid between 5-15 dollars.
"Most of my clients are old men who are married and with kids. They don’t speak much but the ring shines," he said.

"The obligation to get married turns many gay men into betrayers, taking the risk to catch a disease outside and transmit it to their wives."

Like others in his profession, Kammar is unfazed by neither police crackdowns nor by militant attacks.

Since January, 25 boys and men were killed in Baghdad because they were, or were perceived to be, gay, according to Baghdad’s police.

"It is a risk, but like me, many others are taking."

The rise of gays activity in Iraq is alarming religious leaders.

"It is clear in the holy book that homosexual behaviors are unacceptable," Sheikh Abdel-Rahman Abdun, the imam of Rahim mosque in Baghdad, told IOL.

Many scholars have raised their concerns and have been alerting followers at Friday prayers to look after their sons and protect them from such behaviors.

"A good religious education will prevent such kind of behaviors," Abdun believes.

"It is our obligation to reinforce the subject and prevent that depravation from turning into a common practice in this Muslim country."

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...59274437&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
 
north_malaysian said:
In the first years after the US-led invasion, militant attacks had led gays to go into hiding.

But now, nearly seven years, gay life is taking some roots.........


So, before the US invasion they were not in hiding.

Militant atacks on gays only started after Saddam was gone.

Bring back Saddam Hussain!

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