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hmmm.. considering 'Saudi Arabia' is a middle eighteenth century establishments, I reckon you know as much about its history, values, enlightenment etc, as your 'critical of the west' counterparts?

So you're saying that those people living in Saudi Arabia only suddenly appeared in the 18th century?

Does accusing others of faults you deem endemic to their regions somehow exempt you from it?

That was rhetorical btw, I am not looking for you to unfold your undoubtedly inscrutable wisdom!

all the best

So when I critique the best you can come back with it a childish reply akin to putting your fingers in your ears going "lalalal I can't hear you". The West has its faults, a very, very long list of faults but the value of individual rights, personal freedom and individual responsibility are hardly virtues contradictory to Islam.
 
^^^^noislily sucks in breath and heads for work with a kind of "whoa I know whats coming" smile.:D
 
I don't believe in conspiracy theories; Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary are both idiots and if there was no Christianity, no Judaism, no Islam - those two would probably be anarchists, communists, socialists or fascists. They're radical and they push their agendas because they're weak individuals who look at romantically at the past with rose tinted glasses and dream that maybe they can resurrect it in the 21st century. Those two are in the same ball park as Meir Kahane who dreamed he could restore biblical Israel and for it to be ruled by strict Jewish Law.

The world is pluralistic, the state secular and the laws are based on individual rights, private property and other ideas out of the enlightenment. If they, Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary, wish to live in third world squaller and being ruled by a theocracy stuck in the 7th Century then by all means go and live in Saudi Arabia or some other place.

BTW, notice that those who are most critical of Western values know the least about Western philosophy, the enlightenment, liberal democracy.

Everybody loves to take a cheap shot at saudi arabia, well to some people 7th century saudi arabia is much better than the w-h-o-r-e garbage countries of europe.
Just some other point of view.
 
So you're saying that those people living in Saudi Arabia only suddenly appeared in the 18th century?
You should simply do some reading before jabbering like a lunatic, and especially when accusing others of not doing the same what do you think? Don't answer me with a question, you are the one who spoke of 7th century 'Saudi Arabia', I am asking you, was there such a thing as Saudi Arabia in the 7th century? just so we can deduce a lucid clause from your guggle!



So when I critique the best you can come back with it a childish reply akin to putting your fingers in your ears going "lalalal I can't hear you". The West has its faults, a very, very long list of faults but the value of individual rights, personal freedom and individual responsibility are hardly virtues contradictory to Islam.
I think that is a deep perceptive insight to your own psyche, in fact, you haven't done any critique, you have generalized and lacking in your reasoning is even basic history of the region. Should I honestly take that with other than a grain of salt?
As for 'very very very very long list of things' well that is delightful young man, until you can put your thoughts into some cohesive legible literary 'critique' can it and it will be dismissed with the rest of your psycho-babble!

all the best of course!
 
Re: It looks like we'll have it throughout the winter

How did the "protest" at Trafalgar Square go on today?

POLICE chiefs up and down the country were last night warned to brace them- selves for a winter of race riots.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/126959/Race-riots-to-grip-the-UK-

I think they are backed by the BNP (Even though they deny they are anything to do with each other) They go about inciting racial hatred (again they refute they are racist, but are against Islamification of Britain) - This way, Muslims, Sikhs, Blacks, Hindus (and many Whites, whom I've seen in the UAF rallies) will be provoked and result in violence, which It has. Then this will then allow the rest of the county to see how violent the Muslims are. The target is Islam as we well know. And protesting outside a Mosque, well that should not be allowed, unless it's the infamous one where Abu Hamza 'Hook' used to hold his daily demonic rantings.
 
^ choas is needed to create order, to be precise 'Novus Ordo Seclorum'
muslims fighting right wing groups , blacks against whites , teenagers against adults , women against men all will fight choaticly until they will yearn for a change and then a world order will be presented to them and because of the situation and certain circumstances it will be latched upon by the masses
people like kawaigardiner will be among the frontrunners to sign up because an angry man is a weak man
 
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^ choas is needed to create order, to be precise 'Novus Ordo Seclorum'
muslims fighting right wing groups , blacks against whites , teenagers against adults , women against men all will fight choaticly until they will yearn for a change and then a world order will be presented to them and because of the situation and certain circumstances it will be latched upon by the masses

Indeed. But it's ironic to see for what many fought for during the two World Wars, is these days shrugged off.

Then again, It takes me to a verse as Shri Sheikh Farid Ji saying, ''I stand up high, and look around, and see that it's not just me in anguish, the WHOLE world is''
 
The EDL have never targeted mosques, Harrow was nothing whatsoever to do with us and WE WILL NOT be targeting mosques in the future. If you listen to UAF AND respect party lies then you will give them what they want. we have nothing at all against muslims or their places of worship.In fact they are none of our business.
We want the bombers out.

The Harrow mosque has passed all the required planning permissions and is a legitimate building and the idiots involved in those so called protests should shut up and go home and get a life.

If you are foolish enough to believe the lies of the socialists and the media, that's not my fault, lie after lie drips from their lips.

We have no connection to the scum in the BNP and we had banners saying so, members of my family were killed by nazi scum and it's a terrible insult to say that I support them.

Ignore the Harrow "protesters" walk away from them, show them contempt by not rising to their bait.Show the UAF that you are not interested or taken in by their lies.

WE have one cause and one cause only, we don't want the bombers and the sharia law.

Can you not understand, the media and others want you to be violent, they want you to riot, they profit by a good story, it sells newspapers. Give them what they desire.

Even the islam4uk are telling you that we EDL are not against you, that you should not listen to UAF lies. What does that tell you.

In the months to come, you will see the truth, we are right to want the bombers stopped and nothing will stop us.

Consider this, if I am a racist,if I'm some sort of right wing thug, why then have I come here and tried to talk to you.
arthur.
 
The EDL are releasing a video on Friday to send a message out that they are against muslim EXTREMISTS. They will be going on to explain that BNP supporters have infiltrated their demos and that they are not welcome. They burn the swastika flag and behind them show a banner bearing the words "BLACK and WHITE UNITE." They consist of both black people and white people and have invited moderate muslims to join their group against extremism.

The video will be posted on Friday. The EDL are getting alot of stick from members of the stormfront forum.
 
The EDL are releasing a video on Friday to send a message out that they are against muslim EXTREMISTS. They will be going on to explain that BNP supporters have infiltrated their demos and that they are not welcome. They burn the swastika flag and behind them show a banner bearing the words "BLACK and WHITE UNITE." They consist of both black people and white people and have invited moderate muslims to join their group against extremism.

The video will be posted on Friday. The EDL are getting alot of stick from members of the stormfront forum.

black and white unite, what about asians? :-), right now black ppl arent on the right wing hit list, its switched to asians.
 
here is a forum topic from the EDL's website, dont be fooled by these guys:

1) Islamism is monolithic, static and unresponsive to change. It is based on the Koran, a hate-filled rant written by a psychopathic pedophile which claims to be the 'Eternal Word of God'.

If you are a Islamist you must accept the Koran without question, as the unchangeable and unchallengeable word of God. If you do not accept ALL of the koran (including the passages that incite murder, maiming and rape) then you are an apostate and other Islamists have a duty to kill you. Islamism is monolithic, petrified and fossilized, and can never separate itself or progress from this barbaric 7th century text. Modernization (Bid'ah) is strictly forbidden "Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire."


2) Islamism does not have values in common with other cultures, is not affected by them and does not influence them in any positive way. Islamism is totally different from any other religion. There is no Golden Rule. There is no 'Thou Shalt not Kill', no requirement for truth. In fact killing (Jihad) and lying (Taqiyya) to further the expansion of Islamism are regarded as virtues.

Those aspects of the cult which appear to imitate Judeo-Christianity are in fact a thin veneer covering vicious and evil barbarism. The pivot of Islamist existence is an implacable hatred of the non-believer, which is taught from infancy. All the rest of the 'religion' revolves around this divinely decreed requirement to kill, maim, rape, subjugate, plunder and humiliate the infidel. Jews and Christians are pigs and apes. Islamism has produced nothing of use or interest to other cultures for the last 500 years. Islamism is a theocratic, pre-rational phase of social development which Europe left behind in the sixteenth century.


3) Islamist culture continues to be in all respects inferior to the West. It produces no artistic or scientific output of any significance. Islamist society is barbaric, irrational, primitive, tribal and sexist. Stonings, honor killings, use of women as possessions, institutionalised pedophilia, polygamy and illiteracy abound.


4) Islamism is violent, and aggressive to its very core. The Koran advocates terrorism and Allah rewards those who kill infidels. Islamism is engaged in a 1400 year old 'clash of civilisations' where all other cultures are regarded as 'Jahiliya' to be destroyed, censored and suppressed. The world is divided into Dar al-Harb and Dar-al-Islam. Dar al-Islam has bloody borders and is permanently at war with Dar al-Harb. This war does not just apply to the West. Anarchic failed states such Pakistan and Afghanistan were once peaceful and prosperous Buddhist countries, but all traces of their Buddhist history have been eliminated. Pacifism is no protection against Islamist predation.


5) Islamism is a political ideology as well as being an irrationalist cult, and is used for political advantage, often by cynical rulers who live as playboys in the fleshpots of Dar al-Harb. Although utterly irrational and obscurantist, Islamism survives because it provides the justification for a medieval power structure where the priests are at the top, the Islamist male in the middle, and women and kaffirs at the bottom.


6) Islamists are continually criticising the West - moaning, whingeing, whining and complaining, even when they have chosen to come and live here. The are perpetually pleading for special treatment with alternating temper tantrums and threats of riots and terrorism interspersed with sulky infantile displays of victim status. They especially resent westerners applying modern standards of analysis to their protected 'victim culture'.


7) Uniquely among immigrants, Islamists refuse to fit in with the host society. Instead they expect the hosts to fit in with them. This causes real problems in employability as the employer can expect far greater numbers of lawsuits alleging discrimination etc from Islamist employees than from less 'victimised' groups.

Islamists also are a major security risk in sensitive occupations such as police, armed forces, airports etc. Their first loyalty is to the Ummah, not to their country (whose institutions and culture they hate).


8) Wariness about Islamists is natural and normal. These people really do want to kill us, plunder our property and rape and subjugate our children. The Koran tells them to do it and their role-model Mohammed set an example of divinely justified criminality which every Islamist endeavors to follow.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/2316650/1/
 
black and white unite, what about asians? :-), right now black ppl arent on the right wing hit list, its switched to asians.

I've not seen the video. I've only read the article in the daily star. I know, however, that the EDL are welcoming muslims into their group which goes to show that it is not a group set up to attack muslims. It is, as they claim, a group that are against extremists/extremism. It is a good platform for muslims to send out their message as the EDL seem to be getting alot of media coverage.
 
here is a forum topic from the EDL's website, dont be fooled by these guys:

If you read the disclaimer above it....

Please note, any views posted on this board, and its contents are not necessarily the views of the English Defence League. The EDL will not tolerate any racist or Islamaphobic behaviour on this forum. We are against Islamic Extremists and all that they stand for, but do not want innocent Muslims being victimised or abused.
 
I've not seen the video. I've only read the article in the daily star. I know, however, that the EDL are welcoming muslims into their group which goes to show that it is not a group set up to attack muslims. It is, as they claim, a group that are against extremists/extremism. It is a good platform for muslims to send out their message as the EDL seem to be getting alot of media coverage.

and what is an extremist Muslim according to the EDL? lol, they welcome Muslims, LOL, ok, so Muslims will go beside EDL members who are chanting Allah is a pedo, and Muhammad is a pedo you c*nt! and also running around saying paki *******s. lol okayyyyyyyyyy.

back to the topic of who is an extremist Muslim, well if a Muslim want sharia law, that makes him an extremist, well, guess what, most Muslims in the UK want sharia law in civil matters for Muslims, just like the Jews have their own religous court, Muslims want their Sharia one too, and i agree with that as thats fair and Jews have it, so that would make me an extremist, and that just goes to show the EDL's double standards.

what else, most Muslims believe Muslim women have a right to wear the niqab if they so choose to, well for most EDL members that would be extremist too, lol. what else, most Muslims believe in jihad, well again that makes us extremist.

so when u say ur looking for a Muslim, your looking for one sell out Muslim who is only Muslim by name but doesnt even believe in any of its real teachings.
 
ah yes if you also happen to support hezbollah and such resistence groups against Israel, that makes you an extremist too, so count all Muslims as extremists again, lol.

make no mistake ppl, the EDL are at war with Islam and the Muslims.
 
lol i just read the EDL's article in the daily star, lol what a load of RUBBISH, so ppl of ALL races are supporting the EDL, right, so where are they? why is that at the last protests all i saw was white protesters, and why is it that at other protests edl members were shouting at paki *******s?

seems i will have to make a video soon to expose the EDL propaganda.
 
You don't seem to be getting the point. The EDL demonstrations were infiltrated by BNP and other far right-wing supporters. The EDL have made a video which will be released on Friday stating that the BNP, far right wing protesters are not welcome at the EDL demos and will therefore be kicked out of the EDL.

Extremists are those who justify terrorism, terrorist attacks, incite hatred amongst muslims and call for the death of non-muslims. It's not hard to understand this. Abu Hamza, Omar Bakri, Abdulla Ahmed Ali etc
 
lol i just read the EDL's article in the daily star, lol what a load of RUBBISH, so ppl of ALL races are supporting the EDL, right, so where are they? why is that at the last protests all i saw was white protesters, and why is it that at other protests edl members were shouting at paki *******s?

seems i will have to make a video soon to expose the EDL propaganda.


I've seen pictures of some black members of this group knocking about...

The group has attracted ANTI-MUSLIMS who do not share the views of the EDL.
 
I've seen pictures of some black members of this group knocking about...

The group has attracted ANTI-MUSLIMS who do not share the views of the EDL.

the only protest where i saw some black ppl with the EDL was at the first one, after that they never showed up again because they found out who the EDL really are, heck they were probaly even lied to in joining that protest.

compare that to the anti-EDL protests where you have whites, blacks, and asians. heck even at the last pro palestine march you had jewish rabbis!!!!!!!!
 
You don't seem to be getting the point. The EDL demonstrations were infiltrated by BNP and other far right-wing supporters. The EDL have made a video which will be released on Friday stating that the BNP, far right wing protesters are not welcome at the EDL demos and will therefore be kicked out of the EDL.

Extremists are those who justify terrorism, terrorist attacks, incite hatred amongst muslims and call for the death of non-muslims. It's not hard to understand this. Abu Hamza, Omar Bakri, Abdulla Ahmed Ali etc

lol the EDL are the best thing to have happend to such extremists, now they will say look, these ppl are protesting against you the Muslims everywhere, and have made protests outside your mosques!

if you think the EDL are doing a good thing in combatting extremism im afraid your quite wrong, the only thing that will come out of this is more violence, and more millitancy.
 

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