Racist hate on Muslims

[S_87]

The heat is already on Prince, since every year christians are killed for their faith in Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan and lately often in Turkey and Indonesia.

this is also clearly wrong but two wrongs dont make a right

if someone is being racist i think the best thing to do is to pretend you didnt hear them. sure some may think that as weak but the person wants a reaction, why give them one?

 

[Raaina]

I didn't watch the program. But this kind of think makes me so sad
Amani is right, sometimes it's just better not to react, karma can sort them out.

 

[Thinker]

I watched that programme. The programme was clearly made to coincide with this weeks ‘Question Time’ programme which will be the first time that the BNP has been given a place on such a programme. The programme makers clearly set out with an agenda to find the answer that they wanted – that Britain is racist. They rented a house on a housing estate notorious for lawless feral youths. The Bangladesh woman, wearing a hijab style head-dress walked amongst groups of teenagers that I would be afraid to walk amongst. The Pakistani man stood in front of them and refused to move on as they warned him to and stood there until one of them hit him. Were these teenagers wrong – ABSOLUTELY but theses testosterone fuelled idiots would have done and have done the same to anyone no matter what their colour. . . . . (see below links). Rhys Jones a young white boy was killed by such youths just because he was on the wrong side of the road trespassing in their territory. A mother killed herself and her disabled daughter after years of abuse by such youths.

What I saw was that ever single adult approached by the Asian couple treated them with courtesy and respect. Although they tried hard to find racism they never got one hint of it from any adult they approached. One man came running from his house to rescue the Asian woman from a young lad trying to rob her and after chasing the lad away returned to ask the woman is she was OK.

If I, a white Anglo Saxon mature male, walked onto that estate and stood in front of those youths I would expect trouble. My wife would walk amongst them for any amount of money. Is that right ABSOLUTELY not but it’s not racism no is lawless hooliganism.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2007/09/29/rhys-jones-the-evidence-115875-19867419/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-gang-killing-disabled-daughter-car-fire.html

 

[aadil77]

I saw this yesterday, nothing in that programme surprised me.

They were a bunch of chavs, quite tolerant tbh compared to how bad it gets in other areas, I expected alot more from them eg; bricks thru their house windows, petrol bomb attacks etc. Alot of the stuff wouldn't have happened if they'd kept their heads down and avoided eye contact, basically avoided trouble. Turning back, stopping and talking in a freshy accent is just calling for trouble and is instantly gonna provoke them. If you dont have manpower to deal with them then you just have to walk on.

The reality is, this is normal in poor areas. You will always get these yobs on the streets showing their true colours, they'll have a go at anyone who doesn't fit in, wether they're fresh off the boat indians or white ukrainians who cant speak english, it don't make a difference. Its not exactly pure racism, more like something else.

If they were living in a city which is known to be 'multicultural' you wouldn't get white yobs trying anything like that because they'll know there will be just as many asian yobs looking to fight them back.

Those reporters went too far by forcing reactions out of them, everyone knows they would have got hit, its nothing unknown to anyone that it needs to be newly reported

 

[The_Prince]

The heat is already on Prince, since every year christians are killed for their faith in Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan and lately often in Turkey and Indonesia.
But thats nothing, since in Europe we do another Holocaust by banning burka.

many Muslims in Europe have been beaten up and abused, and in some cases have been killed, just like a few weeks ago where an old Muslim man was killed infront of his grand-daughter. i bet you dont even know that a few years ago 2 Muslims were kidnapped in Russia and behead by neo-nazis.

also you mention nigeria, but you forget to mention that Muslims in heavily christian areas are also treated badly, its not all one way traffic in nigeria, the christians have done their fair share of killing Muslims and burning Mosques down.

to sum up, you Christians are NOT victims, everything you accuse others of comes falling back right on your shoes.

 

[aadil77]

brother to be honest in this case, muslims weren't being victimised. It was just purely normal street violence, you get it everywhere and with everyone

it probably happens more to muslims in america where every news channel is on about terrorists and bombings, over here they don't just victimize one group,

EDIT:

same with the russia incident, it was every brown person being terrorised not just muslims

 

[Rasema]

There are a bunch of Muslims who are treated bad by others. We just don't know about them.
:wa:

 

[Güven]

This is just purely street terror, they don't care whom you are, they just wanna use violence.

 

[glo]

I haven't watched the programme yet, although I am planning to.

The term 'racism' makes me wonder (since Islam isn't connected to any 'race' from what I understand)

Do you have the impression that the hatred was expressed against the couple
1) because or their ethnic origin,
2) because of their religion,
3) both, or
4) simply because they were different?

 

[Cabdullahi]

Another reason why im going to the gym to pump those puny muscles gotta knock out a few teeth in *self defense* ofcourse

my sisters got verbal abuse and i have to defend them from these people

 

[GuestFellow]

I haven't watched the programme yet, although I am planning to.

The term 'racism' makes me wonder (since Islam isn't connected to any 'race' from what I understand)

Good question.

Racism is applied to race only. When someone treats another individual different due to his or her religion, I would call it bigotry. In this programme, it was a mixture of both.


You find these types of idiots anywhere. They all deserved to be whipped in public. 500 lashes.

Do you have the impression that the hatred was expressed against the couple
1) because or their ethnic origin,
2) because of their religion,
3) both, or
4) simply because they were different?

A mixture of all 4.

 

[Ansariyah]

In situations like this Self-defence is vital. A Barking dog is all fine but when he wants to take ur fone or bite u..thats a diff story.

Or just Move..

 

[Humbler_359]

Brother and Sister,

Racism happened many times throughtout history. Let's not forget.

Yesterday, it was talked about Black people. Today, it is talk about Muslims and Islam. Tomorrow, it will discuss about Chinese people when China will become strong country.

It is best to PROTEST against Racism (see pictures), we need use our voices and speak up united by 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide.

 

[Woodrow]

a 30 min panaroma documentary on racism 2 Muslims encounter while staying in some estate:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_8310000/8310825.stm

the only thing i disagree with is the victim mentality, now no doubt the Muslims were victims, but we shouldnt act weak and scared, rather we should stand up to these thugs, thats my personal view anyway, if me and my friends came across thugs like this oh how much fun we would have.

dont forget what happened in harrow and birmingham, thats the REALITY of what happens when you stand up to these weak thugs, them running with their tails between their legs.

the only thing i disagree with is the victim mentality,

Keep in mind they were repoters and it was their desire if not assignment to show the truth that non-combative, non aggressive Muslims do get harassed and are targets even when they pose no threat, not even in self defense. I think their documentary showed a real and brutal description of the viciousness of racism. I commend those 2 and their willingness to gather the truth even when their own selves suffered because of it.

If they had showed any signs of self defense the wrong message would have been sent and the audience would have probably gotten the impression as it is permissable to harass Muslims because they are aggressive.

It was necessary for the reporters to show the "victim Mentality" if their goal was to demonstrate Muslims are often victems and that is reality.

 

[titus]

it probably happens more to muslims in america where every news channel is on about terrorists and bombings, over here they don't just victimize one group,

Not one of my Muslim friends has ever been attacked or threatened with physical violence for being Muslim. I have travelled a few times with a Muslim friend whose last name is "Islam" and never once have I seen the people at the security gate treat him any different than anyone else going through security. We live in Texas (stereotyped as intolerant) and have traveled across the South and to California. Never once have I ever heard anyone even mutter something offensive, much less threaten violence or call him a terrorist.

As a matter of fact the most hate filled conversation I ever had with someone about Muslims was in a pub in London. A man in the pub found out that I had Muslim business partners and went off with all his negative stereotypes saying extremely insulting and bigoted things. Never in all my years in the USA had I ever heard anyone even come close to such hatred against Muslims as this man.

I am not naive and saying that hate crimes against Muslims don't exist in the US, but I do know that your belief that Americans are more prejudiced against Muslims than those in the UK is off the mark, and acts of violence against Muslims simply for being Muslim are very few and far between. In fact I would venture to say that tolerance of Muslims is higher in the US than in the UK or most of Europe.

 

[glo]

I completely agree with Woodrow.
The point of this programme was to demonstrate the unprovoked and undeserved attacks and abuse people of minorities suffer in certain areas of the country.
To start fighting back would have clouded the situation and added further fuel to the aggression.

Part of the idea was for these two British Muslims to 'become victims'. They made themselves as vulnerable as new-comers into this country, who don't know much about Britain or the British language, are.
If they had been 'themselves', they may still have suffered abuse, but probably to a lesser degree. Just being able to stand up for themselves verbally would have made a big difference. A shy young Muslimah, who doesn't seem to speak much English, seems like a perfect victim (if you feel so inclined) - she couldn't even go and report you to the police (Firstly, because she is not likely to know the process; secondly, she may be too timid; and thirdly, she may lack the language skills to tell her story)

I watched the programme last night, and I was horrified by the abuse that couple suffered.

What struck me most, was that it was actually only a handful of people, who carried out all the abuse.
I was amazed how young some of them they were! imsad

Clearly - and the female reporter said so herself - not all places in the UK are like that. In fact, they had specifically chosen this area of Bristol, because it is known to be a hotbed for racial abuse.

Now I wonder what makes some places be like this, and others not?

 

[titus]

I also want to add that in the time I lived in the UK on more than one occasion I had some teenage punks that tried to start something with me on the street, even though I had never even seen them before. These kids don't care who or what you are, they are simply looking for a fight and any reason they can find, whether it be religion, race, clothing or the music you listen to, they'll find a reason to start something.

I wouldn't use this incident as a yardstick to measure racism or the threat you live under being a Muslim. It's more of a yardstick of how badly some people have screwed up in raising their children.

 

[glo]

Good question.

Racism is applied to race only. When someone treats another individual different due to his or her religion, I would call it bigotry. In this programme, it was a mixture of both.

Now I have watched the programme myself I agree with you.

I wonder if non-Muslim people from ethnic minorities would suffer similar abuse, or less?
An what kind of experience a white British couple who has reverted to Islam would have in a place like that?

 

[Thinker]

Keep in mind they were repoters and it was their desire if not assignment to show the truth

Call me cynical but I am not sure if the reporters see their job as getting to the 'truth' or just getting a story. What would they do if they spent all that money setting up the scene and didn’t get any racist insults – no programme, money down the drain. They had to get someone to insult them and they were going to stand in front of any yob they could find and face them off for as long as it took until they got they got what they wanted. Indeed they wanted to be insulted and they made sure they got it.

 

[GuestFellow]

Indeed they wanted to be insulted and they made sure they got it.

No they didn't want to get insulted. They wanted to see whether racism exists in the country and it does. That is all that should matter. Now we can hopefully see the government take some action against racism.

Now I have watched the programme myself I agree with you.

I wonder if non-Muslim people from ethnic minorities would suffer similar abuse, or less?

An what kind of experience a white British couple who has reverted to Islam would have in a place like that?

Non-Muslims could be subjected to some form of racism. Even British people could be subjected to racism. I'm not entirely sure who is treated worse however any form of racism should not be tolerated.

I'm not entirely sure how racist people would respond to a British couple who have converted to Islam. They could be labeled as traitors.