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"Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith." They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle." Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)." Allah said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."
Al Maeda, ayat 12-15

Is this referring to what Christians call the Last Supper?
 
Sojourn, here is the whole Quran you can check exactly where does that ayah mentioned http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/

here is the "exact" ayat you mentioned in surah Al Maidah [112-115]

When the disciples said: O Jesus, son of Mary! Is thy Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven? He said: Observe your duty to Allah, if ye are true believers. (112) (They said) :We wish to eat thereof, that we may satisfy our hearts and know that thou hast spoken truth to us, and that thereof we may be witnesses. (113) Jesus, son of Mary, said: O Allah, Lord of us! Send down for us a table spread with food from heaven, that it may be a feast for us, for the first of us and for the last of us, and a sign from Thee. Give us sustenance, for Thou art the Best of Sustainers. (114) Allah said: Lo! I send it down for you. And whoso disbelieveth of you afterward, him surely will I punish with a punishment wherewith I have not punished any of (My) creatures.(115)
 
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Sojourn, here is the whole Quran you can check exactly where does that ayah mentioned http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/

here is the "exact" ayat you mentioned in surah Al Maidah [112-115]

When the disciples said: O Jesus, son of Mary! Is thy Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven? He said: Observe your duty to Allah, if ye are true believers. (112) (They said) :We wish to eat thereof, that we may satisfy our hearts and know that thou hast spoken truth to us, and that thereof we may be witnesses. (113) Jesus, son of Mary, said: O Allah, Lord of us! Send down for us a table spread with food from heaven, that it may be a feast for us, for the first of us and for the last of us, and a sign from Thee. Give us sustenance, for Thou art the Best of Sustainers. (114) Allah said: Lo! I send it down for you. And whoso disbelieveth of you afterward, him surely will I punish with a punishment wherewith I have not punished any of (My) creatures.(115)

so he missed the extra "1" in front of those ayaat refered
 
^^^ most of the muslims do not understand the terms of last supper :)

Maybe it would be easier to ask if the ayat are referring to establishing a day of worship, i.e. Sunday, because on that day a miraculous meal occurred.
 
I've heard somewhere that "Al Maidah" which means "The Table Spread with Food" refers to the "Last Supper"... but cant verify that...
 
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Salaam/Peace

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The Lord's Prayer & the Last Supper: A Muslim Take

Date24/Oct/2007



Question

Christians believe in what we call the "Lord's Prayer". A man once asked Jesus how to pray and as I'm sure you know Jesus said the Lord's Prayer. So my question is what do Muslims think about it and how do you feel about the Lord's Prayer.


He also broke bread with his followers and passed around a cup of wine the night before, as we believe, Christ was crucified. Jesus said "this is my body... eat it, this is my blood... drink it...do this in remembrance of me".


How do Muslims feel about the Last Supper? Do they deny it?


I personally see both as proof, to me, that Christ said he was the son of God and died on the Cross. Is none of this in the Qur'an, or do you have a different





Counselor Idris Tawfiq

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"Lead Us Not Into Temptation" – Qur'an
Whether or not Jesus said the words of what is now known as the Lord's Prayer is known to Allah alone.
The words "and lead us not into temptation," but deliver us from evil, are similar to the opening chapter of the Qur'an, where a translation of the meaning would read as follows:
*{Show us the straight way, the way of those on whom thou bestowest thy Grace, Those whose portion is not wrath, and Who go not astray.*} (Al-Fatihah 1:6-7)
For Muslims, referring to God as Father carries the connotation of there being sons, and the idea of God having sons is abhorrent to Islam.
Whilst Jesus may or may not have had a special, last supper with his friends, the Qur'an says nothing about this, so Muslims are unable to comment on such a thing.
Did Jesus Die on the Cross?
As for Jesus dying on the Cross, though, Islam is perfectly clear. A translation of the meaning of the Arabic original in the Qur'an tells us:
*{… but they killed him not, nor crucified him,}* (An-Nisaa' 4: 157)
and later in the same verse it tells us that:
*{…of a certainty they killed him not." (An-Nisaa' 4: 157)
So, you see, Muslims do not believe that Jesus died on the Cross.
In the Qur'an we find an account of Jesus' birth to a virgin named Maryam (Mary), although the account differs somewhat from the narrative accounts of Matthew and Luke.
We also find some words of Jesus, where he specifically refutes the suggestion that he is anything more than a messenger.
Common Grounds
What Christians and Muslims can both agree on, though, is that Jesus was a truly remarkable man who worked miracles and spoke God's word to the people.
They can also agree that God is the Creator and the Originator of all things and that nothing exists without His willing it to exist.

Useful Links:
The Story of Mary and the Birth of Jesus
Jesus, Son of Mary
Is Jesus the Incarnation of God?
Is Jesus Dead or Alive?
Jesus Between Islam and Christianity
The Role of Jesus
Jesus… a Follower of Muhammad?
Muslims Following Jesus
Jesus Through a Muslim Lens
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Salam Sojourn
So are those ayat referring to the Last Supper?
These verses tell us about a story regarding Jesus and his disciples. Like all stories of the Quran, this we can learn many things from this story.
005.112 إِذْ قَالَ الْحَوَارِيُّونَ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ هَلْ يَسْتَطِيعُ رَبُّكَ أَنْ يُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا مَائِدَةً مِنَ السَّمَاءِ قَالَ اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ
005.112 Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith."

Here the disciples didn't say that O Jesus, can you send down to us a table set? They said: Can your Lord do that, indicating that the disciples at the time of Jesus knew that he wasn't God. He was only a prophet who prayed to God.

005.113 قَالُوا نُرِيدُ أَنْ نَأْكُلَ مِنْهَا وَتَطْمَئِنَّ قُلُوبُنَا وَنَعْلَمَ أَنْ قَدْ صَدَقْتَنَا وَنَكُونَ عَلَيْهَا مِنَ الشَّاهِدِينَ
005.113 They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."

005.114 قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ اللَّهُمَّ رَبَّنَا أَنْزِلْ عَلَيْنَا مَائِدَةً مِنَ السَّمَاءِ تَكُونُ لَنَا عِيدًا لأوَّلِنَا وَآخِرِنَا وَآيَةً مِنْكَ وَارْزُقْنَا وَأَنْتَ خَيرُ الرَّازِقِينَ
005.114 Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."
005.115 قَالَ اللَّهُ إِنِّي مُنَزِّلُهَا عَلَيْكُمْ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بَعْدُ مِنْكُمْ فَإِنِّي أُعَذِّبُهُ عَذَابًا لا أُعَذِّبُهُ أَحَدًا مِنَ الْعَالَمِينَ
005.115 Allah said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."
Al-Qur'an, 005.112-115 (Al-Maeda [The Table, The Table Spread])
Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.910
Here we are told a rule of God. It's that once a group of people demand a particular miracle from their prophet, and the prophet supplicates for that miracle. And then God does that particular miracle and after that, people reject Him, they incur the terrible wrath of God.
Coming to your question, does this refer to the last supper? Well the verses don't confirm that the meal was sent down. It may be that the disciples retracted their request after hearing the warning. And nowhere does it says that this was the last meal Jesus had with his disciples.
Peace.
 
Well the verses don't confirm that the meal was sent down. It may be that the disciples retracted their request after hearing the warning.


OK. So these different English translations say two different things:
"Allah said: "I will send it down unto you'." and "Allah said: Lo! I send it down for you."
One appears to speak in the future tense and the other in the present tense. Can someone who is able to read this passage in the Arabic help clarify whether or not the food was actually sent down? Thanks.
 
God did send them the table but with a warning!

The Story of Jesus, Son of Mary
By Marwa Elnaggar *
March 24, 2005

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This verse from the Qur’an refers to the incident when Jesus asked God to send them a table from heaven.
In relating the story of Jesus, the Qur’an describes how Mary, the mother of Jesus, was approached by an angel from God, bringing her tidings she had never imagined: that she will give birth to a son, a Messiah, who will be of the righteous and will be a prophet of God, calling the Children of Israel (the Israelites) to the straight path of God.
[(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous.] (Aal `Imran 3:45-46)
Naturally, for Mary, this news was both strange and seemingly impossible.
[She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.] (Aal `Imran 3:47-48)
The very nature of Jesus is so special, that God compares the uniqueness of his creation to that of the first man and prophet, Adam.
[Lo! The likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is.] (Aal `Imran 3:59)
Jesus and His Miracles
“And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah.”
Jesus, son of Mary
Jesus became one of the greatest prophets of God, and was sent to the Children of Israel in order to confirm the teachings of his predecessor, the Prophet Moses. His birth was a miracle, and, like all prophets of God, he was granted several miracles. He approached his people, telling them:
[Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.
And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me.
Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.] (Aal `Imran 3:49-51)
Jesus’s Followers
The story of Jesus never really ends in the Qur’an, as we are told that Jesus was not killed.
The Qur’an continues the story of Jesus by relating several incidents of his life and his disciples.
[But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).
Our Lord! We believe in that which Thou hast revealed and we follow him whom Thou hast sent. Enroll us among those who witness (to the truth).] (Aal `Imran 3:52-53)
In another incident, after which an entire surah of the Qur’an is named, the disciples of Jesus asked him for another miracle.
[Behold! the disciples, said: “O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?” Jesus said: “Fear Allah, if ye have faith.”
They said: “We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle.”
Jesus the son of Mary said: “O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us—for the first and the last of us—a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs).”] (Al-Ma’idah 5:112-114)
God sent them the table they had asked for, but not without a warning.
[Allah said: “I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples.”] (Al-Ma’idah 5:115)
The End of the Story?
The story of Jesus never really ends in the Qur’an, as we are told that Jesus was not killed, but that rather, God raised his beloved prophet up to him.
[Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
For more on Jesus in Islam:
As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong.] (Aal `Imran 3:53-55)
The Qur’an also points out that Jesus was neither killed nor crucified. Speaking of the Children of Israel, Allah faults their accusations against Mary as well as their claim that they killed Jesus.
[That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! Those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.] (An-Nisaa’ 4:156-158)
The Qur’an confirms that Jesus was raised up by God, and the Prophet Muhammad reassured us that Jesus will be sent down to earth once again before the Day of Judgment. In a hadith narrated by Abu Hurairah, the Prophet Muhammad said: “By the One in Whose hand is my self, definitely the son of Maryam will soon descend among you as a just judge, and he will break the cross, kill the pig, and abolish the jizyah (tribute), and wealth will be so abundant that no one will accept it, until a single prostration will be better than the world and everything in it.” (Al-Bukhari)


And Allah swt knows best

http://www.islamonline.net/english/introducingislam/belief/Messengers/article03.shtml
 
Sojourn, you had this particular argument on another forum and therefore it should be clear to you...
 
"that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival"

I recall reading in Ibn Kathir that the solemn festival is an establishment of a day or prayer.
 
Sojourn, you had this particular argument on another forum and therefore it should be clear to you...


Christians aren't in general after clarity, rather here to mislead and only they stand to lose by it.. it didn't work on the Jews, and well they have more atheists in their back yard than they care to account for, thus who is their natural next target? except when they teach them at the stealth crusade, they instruct it with the same sophomoric carpet bombing style with which they approach everything, inevitably it comes back to bite them..

If they had an honest bone like Dr. Gary miller, they'd be pioneers and take the Quran challenge.. however, they probably fear that end.. as Dr. Miller reverted to Islam after a twenty year study to bring down Islam...:D

:w:
 
Christians aren't in general after clarity, rather here to mislead and only they stand to lose by it.. it didn't work on the Jews, and well they have more atheists in their back yard than they care to account for, thus who is their natural next target? except when they teach them at the stealth crusade, they instruct it with the same sophomoric carpet bombing style with which they approach everything, inevitably it comes back to bite them..

If they had an honest bone like Dr. Gary miller, they'd be pioneers and take the Quran challenge.. however, they probably fear that end.. as Dr. Miller reverted to Islam after a twenty year study to bring down Islam...:D

:w:

Good way of putting it expert.:bism: I've learned a lesson.

:sl: to you and :wa:
 
Sojourn, you had this particular argument on another forum and therefore it should be clear to you...

The issue was never really settled. The first time I saw those ayat associated with the Last Supper was in Pikthal's introduction to the Chapter. I'm just trying to see what Muslims believe about it.
 
The issue was never really settled.


I hope the following settle the issue forever..


"Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith." They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle." Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)." Allah said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."
Al Maeda, ayat 12-15

Is this referring to what Christians call the Last Supper?

No, it can't....

1- The so called christian supper is claimed to be the last meal Jesus shared with his disciples while the meal mentioned in the quran cant be for some clues ,a last meal:


-The Quranic verion depicts the disciples as still in their first era with Jesus,asking for signs to satisfy their hearts and encourage them to believe every word he said......
but haven't they watched him performing miracles before,eg raising dead by the power of his God?

it seems from the way they ask,it was the first miracle he ever performed in front of them....

even if this miracle was not the first in front of them,it seems unreasonable to believe that his disciples had lack of faith in his message till the day before he died...

especially we have a quranic clue that after Jews accused him of magic ,he wondred who could be his supporter in the way of God? his disciples affirmed 3:52 When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Submitters to the truth.

-The meal in the Quran is a miracle ,in the gospel not.

-Absured to imagine Juda thinking of betraying jesus while having this wonderful heavenly meal.

-Jesus performed various miracles in various occasions,days ....doesn't neccesarily referring to establishing a day of worship.



Did Allah send the table?

Allah said: "I will send it down unto you...

And Allah keeps always his promises...



Regards.
 
"that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival"

I recall reading in Ibn Kathir that the solemn festival is an establishment of a day or prayer.

Each and every day is established as a day of prayer. Every prayer time is a solemn festival. The concept of one day out of the week being required for prayer leads to the impression that on the other 6 days it is less important to pray.
 
Peace Woodrow,

Each and every day is established as a day of prayer. Every prayer time is a solemn festival. The concept of one day out of the week being required for prayer leads to the impression that on the other 6 days it is less important to pray.

I don't think that's true, holding a particular day solemn is to emphasize it's importance from the perspective of salvation history, i.e. Passover for the Jews, Good Friday for Christians. Even some Muslims offer extra devotions on Laylat al Qadr in commemoration the day the Quran was first revealed to Muhammad, I doubt these Muslims think doing so detracts from the prayer done on other days.

The reason why I bring the ayat up is because it appears the Quran is explaining in its own way why Christians hold Sunday to be a "day of prayer." Just as Friday holds a particular significance for Muslims.


Pax,
Sojourn
 

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