bible clearly says jesus was not crucified!!!

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

.. Or was this thread created to entertain Muslims?

Did not follow the thread but I guess ans is no.

It was hard for me to take part in the Catholic and other Christians forum because almost each post went against my belief . It was painful to telerate all the harsh comments about my beloved Prophet pbuh and holy book and to hear from some Christians how Jesus pbuh will burn Muhammed pbuh in hell.

Christians in any Islamic forum are in a better position because Muslims respect both the Mother Mary and Jesus pbut and never utter any nasty words against them or fry them in fire .

So , Supreme I can understand it's hard for u to read our posts that go against ur belief but think that at least we respect your Lord and his mom . Try to feel my pain and other Muslims pain that we suffer in Christians forums . May be it will help u to ease ur sufferings here ( hopefully).

 

[Italianguy]

Salaam/Peace



Did not follow the thread but I guess ans is no.

It was hard for me to take part in the Catholic and other Christians forum because almost each post went against my belief . It was painful to telerate all the harsh comments about my beloved Prophet pbuh and holy book and to hear from some Christians how Jesus pbuh will burn Muhammed pbuh in hell.

Christians in any Islamic forum are in a better position because Muslims respect both the Mother Mary and Jesus pbut and never utter any nasty words against them or fry them in fire .

So , Supreme I can understand it's hard for u to read our posts that go against ur belief but think that at least we respect your Lord and his mom . Try to feel my pain and other Muslims pain that we suffer in Christians forums . May be it will help u to ease ur sufferings here ( hopefully).

I want to take this time to appologise for my fellow Christians whom may have made you feel unwelcome on those threads. Not all Christians feel that way. I respect my Muslim sisters and brothers beliefs and would never insult any part of Islam and or its prophets (PBUT). I have found some of the same things you speak of on those threads and have been trying diligently to stop and or advise those whom would say those things on those forums. I have been asked numerous times lately, by my more understanding Christian bretheren to start and orginize a Christian forum for all faiths to enjoy and answer questions without being chastised on every attempt. I think, starting this week i will do so. I will invite all whom want to join and will work on getting it started soon.

Again i appologse.

Please excuse my typing, grammar and punctuation as most of my replies are usually typed on my iphone and my fingures start to get numb and or tight

God bless.

 

[Supreme]

Salaam/Peace



Did not follow the thread but I guess ans is no.

It was hard for me to take part in the Catholic and other Christians forum because almost each post went against my belief . It was painful to telerate all the harsh comments about my beloved Prophet pbuh and holy book and to hear from some Christians how Jesus pbuh will burn Muhammed pbuh in hell.

Christians in any Islamic forum are in a better position because Muslims respect both the Mother Mary and Jesus pbut and never utter any nasty words against them or fry them in fire .

So , Supreme I can understand it's hard for u to read our posts that go against ur belief but think that at least we respect your Lord and his mom . Try to feel my pain and other Muslims pain that we suffer in Christians forums . May be it will help u to ease ur sufferings here ( hopefully).

That is disgraceful, on the Christian forum I frequent, any such insults would result in a deletion of that post and the discipline of that member. I also never said it was hard to read the posts on here about Christianity, and never said some of the posts here make me suffer. Sister, if anything, I enjoy reading some of the posts here, as it does let me know to a certain degree which members know a lot about Christianity and which members know actually hardly anything about Christianity.

I know you respect Jesus and heck, Muslims give more reverence to the virgin Mary than most Protestant Christians (such as myself) do. That's why it's rather easy to talk to Muslims, we share practically the same beliefs up until Christ's crucifixion and that is where we begin to disagree theology wise.

 

[cat eyes]

Dr Naik didn't create this thread, did he? And loads of people reverted after watching it, that suggests you created this thread to revert people, presumably Christians seeing as the topic is Jesus, so that implies the video you posted is aimed at me and people of my faith. Or was this thread created to entertain Muslims?

supreme last time i checked this is an islamic forum where members share islamic lectures with everyone.. obviously a little lecture is not going to make somebody revert im not forcing anybody to revert. thats upto Allah swt of course. i also share vids with my sis it dosent mean i expect her to revert but i like to share my faith with others and because the bibles are so corrupted i don't know where non muslims get the evidence to support there belief thats all. but our scripture is clear you know what i'm saying but its also our belief not to mock any other religion and be kind to non muslim's inshaAllah. so if i offended u or whatever i didn't mean to.. but what i really don't like is your cruel with some muslim members and i don't like that. we can debate in a more friendly way:wa:

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peaace be with you Muslim Woman;

It was hard for me to take part in the Catholic and other Christians forum because almost each post went against my belief . It was painful to telerate all the harsh comments about my beloved Prophet pbuh and holy book and to hear from some Christians how Jesus pbuh will burn Muhammed pbuh in hell.

Like Supreme and Italianguy, I am so sorry that you suffer on Christian forums. If you are still having problems, please give me a link, maybe I can help.

We would all like to bring glory to God through our words and deeds, it seems easier to do this when we are with people who believe the same as us. But I wonder how we can bring glory to God when we are with people who oppose our beliefs.

Beyond a doubt I believe in the life, death and resurection of Jesus, the Son Of God, this has a deep and profound meaning for me.

I feel we should defend truth at all costs, but I feel the greatest truth to defend, is the right to deal in loving kindness with each other despite all our differences, and we should be willing to forgive.

Every blessing

Eric

 

[KittenLover]

In every group of people you get bad apples.

 

[Ramadhan]

In every group of people you get bad apples.

yes, but a real muslim will never insult Jesus pbuh and his mother, Maryam.
OTOH, I've encountered many christians who insulted prophet Muhammad SAW and blasphemed Allah SWT
Astaghfirullah

I never understand those people.
They seem to have no knowledge whatsoever about the teachings from Jesus PBUH

 

[Predator]

OTOH, I've encountered many christians who insulted prophet Muhammad SAW and blasphemed Allah SWT
Astaghfirullah

The name Jesus occurs times in the Quran 500% more times (25) than the name Muhammad (5)

And Mary name appears in the Bible 18 times
And in the Quran ,Mary names appears 32 times and also there is a chapter with Mary's name

Even when Prophet Muhammad met Prophet Jesus in his ascension , they both exchanged greetings and Jesus prayed for him thus clearly indicating that they're both on the same team.

A true Christian will respect other religions . These people who have blasphemed Muhammad and insulted Allah are spineless cowards who are basically spewing out filth and are not worth having a discussion as in reality they know nothing about religion and should FIRST be taught to respect other religions even if they dont believe in them before they start any discussion on religion

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

Greetings and peaace be with you Muslim Woman;


.... If you are still having problems, please give me a link, maybe I can help.

thanks bro but it's too late. I am already banned in 2 forums and one forum is closed long ago.

Now , sometimes I feel like joining a Christian forum , but when think about some possible fanatic Christians who will bash my Prophet pbuh 24/7 , I lost the courage and interest.

Anyway , thanks a lot for trying to help. May God bless you .

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Muslim Woman;

I am a Catholic, and I came close to being banned from a Catholic Forum, I don’t tend to post much on Christian forums now, but I have been here for nearly five years. Maybe I should post more on Catholic forums again.

Now , sometimes I feel like joining a Christian forum , but when think about some possible fanatic Christians who will bash my Prophet pbuh 24/7 , I lost the courage and interest.

That’s a tough problem to deal with, and sadly to say, it would happen again. On occasions the same kind of things are said against Christianity on this forum, but I have to say the mods are really good, and a great help. From a personal point of view, if someone says harsh things about my faith, I try not to respond for twenty four hours.

Two things seem to happen, other people respond to the post, they may also be fanatical, but more importantly, I have time to calm down, and search for a kind response. I cannot change what other people think of my faith, I can only change how I respond to them.

Praying for them helps, if you can find ways to respond kindly after fanatical and provocative posts, then your faith in Islam will shine brightly.

Every blessing

Eric

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Gossamer skye, and cat eyes;

.. the only christian on this forum that I have utmost respect and concern for is Eric H.. and I do wish him better!

Thank you so much for your kind words, but they do cause me problems. In a way it is easy to like the people who are kind to us, I feel the greater challenge is, how do we strive to respect those who give us the most grief.

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship

Every blessing

Eric

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Airforce;

Even when Prophet Muhammad met Prophet Jesus in his ascension , they both exchanged greetings and Jesus prayed for him thus clearly indicating that they're both on the same team.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are linked together by The Temple Mount, The Dome of the Rock, and Al-Asqa Mosque, but where is God amongst all this diversity?

It is said in Judaism and Christianity, that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son in the region of Mount Moriah. It is also said that God commanded Solomon to build the Temple Mount on Mount Moriah, this is a huge structure, a small part of it is what we know as the Wailing Wall, or Western Wall. On top of the Temple Mount, which I can only describe as a massive foundation, God commanded Solomon to build a Temple, that will house ‘The Ark of the Covenant’ better known as the Ten Commandments.

The Temple was destroyed, and the Two Mosques were built on top of the Temple Mount, were the Temple once stood. The Dome is said to be the place where the prophet pbuh, ascended up to heaven on his winged horse.

My question is, Where is God amongst all this diversity, why did he place us all together on this one place?

In the spirit of searching for God

Eric

 

[Predator]

Greetings and peace be with you EricH ,

but where is God amongst all this diversity?

God is above the heavens

 

[Supreme]

Salaam/Peace



thanks bro but it's too late. I am already banned in 2 forums and one forum is closed long ago.

Now , sometimes I feel like joining a Christian forum , but when think about some possible fanatic Christians who will bash my Prophet pbuh 24/7 , I lost the courage and interest.

Anyway , thanks a lot for trying to help. May God bless you .

If you joined the Christian forums I'm part of, there would be no such insults hurled at you. I think it's one of the largest forums on the net, it has a rather small but growing Muslim community. We did have a Muslim nutter on it a few months back trying to convert us all, but he was duly banned, so as long as you don't proselytize- just as Christians aren't allowed to do here- you should be fine and your prophet respected.

 

[Grace Seeker]

If you joined the Christian forums I'm part of, there would be no such insults hurled at you. I think it's one of the largest forums on the net, it has a rather small but growing Muslim community. We did have a Muslim nutter on it a few months back trying to convert us all, but he was duly banned, so as long as you don't proselytize- just as Christians aren't allowed to do here- you should be fine and your prophet respected.

I only wish that were true. But I am a member of that forum. I find it very wide ranging with the tolerance level for differences varying greatly from sub-forum to sub-form with in it. In some places it is indeed well balanced with a wide variety of thoughts accepted and disagreements tolerated. In other places, a person who is a non-covenantal reformed Baptist of the 1833 convention will be vilified by those who belong to non-covenantal reformed Baptist churches of the 1835 convention.

 

[Grace Seeker]

yes, but a real muslim will never insult Jesus pbuh and his mother, Maryam.
OTOH, I've encountered many christians who insulted prophet Muhammad SAW and blasphemed Allah SWT
Astaghfirullah

I never understand those people.
They seem to have no knowledge whatsoever about the teachings from Jesus PBUH

If you consider the only source of knowledge about teachings from Jesus to be found in the Qur'an, then you are exactly right, most Christians will have no knowledge of that. However, I thank you for bringing us back to the topic of this thread, which is what the Bible (not the Qur'an and not Isalm) says about Jesus' crucifixion.

The OP references a video. Others have responded here with quotes from the Bible that (IMO) clearly show that the Bible does speak of Jesus being crucified. Some people seem to read those quotes and not accept that when the Bible says "he was crucified" (2 Corinthians 13:4) that it means that he was indeed crucified. Against such (il)logic I cannot argue. Others, perhaps seeing that the Bible does indeed clearly say that Jesus was crucified, have changed the subject to raise all manner of other objections against from their own lack of understanding of the Christian concept of the Trinity to arguing from Islamic tradition that Jesus didn't actually die or some even bellittling Christians for our beliefs, but such distractions -- and that is all these comments are, distractions and not comments relevant to the thread's actually topic -- do nothing to put forth the case made by the OP, which I believe has been thoroughly refuted.


Perhaps the OP wanted to argue that the Bible is wrong, or that even though he was crucified that Jesus wasn't really dead. But as for what, in the words of the OP's topic sentence, the "Bible clearly says":

2 Corinthians 13:4
For to be sure, he [Jesus] was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God's power. Likewise, we are weak in him, yet by God's power we will live with him to serve you.

Matthew 28:5
The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified.

Mark 15:24-25
24And they crucified him. Dividing up his clothes, they cast lots to see what each would get. 25It was the third hour when they crucified him.

Luke 24:20
"About Jesus of Nazareth," they replied. "He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him;

John 19:41
At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid.

Acts 2:36
"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

 

[Predator]

But as for what, in the words of the OP's topic sentence, the "Bible clearly says":

2 Corinthians 13:4
For to be sure, he [Jesus] was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God's power. Likewise, we are weak in him, yet by God's power we will live with him to serve you.

Matthew 28:5
The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified.

Mark 15:24-25
24And they crucified him. Dividing up his clothes, they cast lots to see what each would get. 25It was the third hour when they crucified him.

Luke 24:20
"About Jesus of Nazareth," they replied. "He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him;

John 19:41
At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid.

Acts 2:36
"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

And the Bible also contradicts itself with :

"And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening
him."
(Luke 22:43)

He keepeth all his bones, not one of them is broken."
(Psalm 34:20)

If the bones of a victim were to be protected from harm, then they could only be of benefit if the person was ALIVE! For a person, already dead, intact bones mean nothing. Whether theyare sawed into pieces, or smashed into smithereens, it will not make any difference to the resurrected body, the spirit or the ghost

". . . angels who had said that he was ALIVE!" - Luke 24:23. Did not say,
"resurrected" but the actual word uttered by the angels was "ALIVE!"


28. MARY MAGDALENE TESTIFIES -
". . . they heard that he was ALIVE, and had been seen by her, they believed
not." - (Mark 16:11): Mary did not vouch for a spook, or ghost or spirit of
Jesus but a LIVE Jesus. What they could not believe was that the Master was
ALIVE!


"For I am not yet ASCENDED unto my Father."
(John 20:17)
She is not blind. She can see the man standing there before her. What does he mean by "notyet ascended" - GONE UP - when he was DOWN right there? He is, in fact, telling her thathe is not RESURRECTED from the DEAD, but ALIVE!"

"And they (the disciples), when they heard that he was ALIVE, and had
been seen by her (Mary Magdalene), they BELIEVED NOT."
(Mark 16:11)


"And they (the disciples), when they heard that he was ALIVE, and had
been seen by her (Mary Magdalene), they BELIEVED NOT."


"Behold (have a look at) my hands and my feet, that it is I myself (I am
the same fellow, man!): handle me and see; for A SPIRIT has no flesh and
bones, as you see me have.
. . . And he showed them his hands and his feet Luke 24:39-40

Luke 24:41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?"

Luke 24:43 and He took it and ate it before them


To prove what? That he is RESURRECTED that he is the same living Jesus .

 

[M.I.A.]

when you mention him is it not right to say P.B.U.H?
just asking

 

[KittenLover]

As brother air force posted a few of the many contradictions in the bible it astounds me as to how people can accept it's authenticity and take what it says to be true. Don't these errors raise doubts about the validity of the bible? :S wouldn't a book from god be perfect and free from errors.

 

[Grace Seeker]

And the Bible also contradicts itself with :

"And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening
him."
(Luke 22:43)

He keepeth all his bones, not one of them is broken."
(Psalm 34:20)

If the bones of a victim were to be protected from harm, then they could only be of benefit if the person was ALIVE! For a person, already dead, intact bones mean nothing. Whether theyare sawed into pieces, or smashed into smithereens, it will not make any difference to the resurrected body, the spirit or the ghost

". . . angels who had said that he was ALIVE!" - Luke 24:23. Did not say,
"resurrected" but the actual word uttered by the angels was "ALIVE!"


28. MARY MAGDALENE TESTIFIES -
". . . they heard that he was ALIVE, and had been seen by her, they believed
not." - (Mark 16:11): Mary did not vouch for a spook, or ghost or spirit of
Jesus but a LIVE Jesus. What they could not believe was that the Master was
ALIVE!


"For I am not yet ASCENDED unto my Father."
(John 20:17)
She is not blind. She can see the man standing there before her. What does he mean by "notyet ascended" - GONE UP - when he was DOWN right there? He is, in fact, telling her thathe is not RESURRECTED from the DEAD, but ALIVE!"

"And they (the disciples), when they heard that he was ALIVE, and had
been seen by her (Mary Magdalene), they BELIEVED NOT."
(Mark 16:11)


"And they (the disciples), when they heard that he was ALIVE, and had
been seen by her (Mary Magdalene), they BELIEVED NOT."


"Behold (have a look at) my hands and my feet, that it is I myself (I am
the same fellow, man!): handle me and see; for A SPIRIT has no flesh and
bones, as you see me have.
. . . And he showed them his hands and his feet Luke 24:39-40

Luke 24:41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?"

Luke 24:43 and He took it and ate it before them


To prove what? That he is RESURRECTED that he is the same living Jesus .

I don't see a one of these contradicting the message that Jesus was crucified.

Yes, most certainly Jesus is seen as alive later. But that doesn't mean he wasn't crucified. THE message of all four gospels is clear: Jesus was crucified, dead and buried. That should be the end of the story, at least it is with most people. But it isn't with Jesus. Why not? Becuase, as each of the gospels go on to report, not only did Jesus die, but he was also raised to life again from the dead. This phrase "from the dead" is used by every New Testament writer, save James and Jude, as a way of referring to Jesus.

The New Testament obviously offers a different account with regard to Jesus' life than the Qur'an does -- no doubt a reason that Muslims don't accept the Christian scriptures as valid, and vice versa. So, I can understand a Muslim wanting to argue that they don't believe the story of Jesus life, death, and subsequent resurrection as presented in the Bible. But it stretches the imagination to understand how one can argue that the Bible doesn't present Jesus as having been crucified when it is one of the clearest and most repeated statements of the entire Bible.