NAKED aiport body scanners

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I hope it's not off-topic but I want to know how exactly passengers caught that alleged criminal ?

He managed to went inside the plane but did not go to washroom to bring that bomb from under garments .

He did. He spent 20 minutes in the washroom, presumably to take it out. He then draped a blanket over himself in his seat, presumably to be able to ignite the bomb. The passenger who jumped on him saw him sitting there holding something on fire.

That's what I read.
 
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I hope it's not off-topic but I want to know how exactly passengers caught that alleged criminal ?

He managed to went inside the plane but did not go to washroom to bring that bomb from under garments . He tried to take it out in front of others ? Is that logical ?

Now authorities are sure that there is no more danger and in future if anyone tries to do the same , machine will successfully take image of what is inside the unger garment ?? What about all the airport and airline staff who can manage to go inside the Plane ? Who will check them 24/7 ?

And not only 14 countries but all passengers from any country will have to go through those scanners ? I wonder what Catholic Nuns are thinking about this ?

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IF said bomb went off an nobody knew why the plane was destroyed, then there would be no push for the full body scanners! BUT when some moron TRIES to "set off" said "device" AND the people get to stop him/her, THEN you get what you want, which is: Airports begging for the scanners and another reason for people to hate Muslims! it's like a "Christmas present" for the Zionists forces of Dajjal!

you see, everyone was afraid to install the scanners for fear of all of the expected protests. NOW, they can't install them fast enough! :heated:

gee, i wonder how that happened?! :nervous:


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I was looking forward to going to umrah this summer but this just spoilt it!imsad
Not only am i going to depart from Heathrow Airport but Saudi Arabia happens to be one of the 14 countries where passengers have to be fully body scanned.
I will refuse it at first and insist that i rather have a female worker pat me down than man looking at my awrah!


lol what are you going to do? tell them you've chorea and punch them at will alleging it is an uncontrolled medical condition? Say what a brilliant idea ;D

lol :D
I have few months to come up with as many excuses as I can why i couldnt possibly go through those scanners. Do you think they will take me seriously if i say that?
 
These full body scanners would not have been able to detect the 'Christmas Bomb Plotter's explosives. So foisting the machines on the public as a response to that event does a disservice to people's intelligence, to say the least.
 
These full body scanners would not have been able to detect the 'Christmas Bomb Plotter's explosives. So foisting the machines on the public as a response to that event does a disservice to people's intelligence, to say the least.

It's no doubt a case of 'do something, anything'.

But actually I think it would give an underwear guy pause. But even if so, it just drives forward the arms race. I'm waiting for someone to swallow a bomb.
 
It's no doubt a case of 'do something, anything'.

But actually I think it would give an underwear guy pause. But even if so, it just drives forward the arms race. I'm waiting for someone to swallow a bomb.

I think you are right about this.
 
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Thank god he didn't do that , many innocent people lived. :)

Alhamdulillah no one did that but question is WHY the alleged crimianl did not do that ? Why he tried to do that in front of other passengers ?

And who are these brave and intelligent passengers who caught such a criminal who managed to fool the whole CIA / US security system ? So , time to replace CIA chief and appoint any of those passengers in his chair.
 
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Alhamdulillah no one did that but question is WHY the alleged crimianl did not do that ? Why he tried to do that in front of other passengers ?

And who are these brave and intelligent passengers who caught such a criminal who managed to fool the whole CIA / US security system ? So , time to replace CIA chief and appoint any of those passengers in his chair.
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Let us not be paranoid and get suspicious without proof.Surely we have very less knowledge and neither do we have experienced the event personally.Lets Pray that Allah protect us from evil in this life :).

Don't get all suspicious and read into conspiracy stories related to everything.
 
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Alhamdulillah no one did that but question is WHY the alleged crimianl did not do that ? Why he tried to do that in front of other passengers ?

And who are these brave and intelligent passengers who caught such a criminal who managed to fool the whole CIA / US security system ? So , time to replace CIA chief and appoint any of those passengers in his chair.

I would guess he wanted to kill as many passengers as possible. The toilet area is enclosed and might have seriously lessened the blast.
 
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Airport Security: Is Israel the Answer?

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Well, Alex, there's one obvious solution to the rampant dysfunction you so colorfully describe in that hilarious recap of your recent journey from India back to the United States. And I can sum it up in one word: Israel.

Over the past week or so, much ink has been spilled over the pros and cons of airport security techniques as diverse as body scanners (child porn?), passenger profiling (racist or just plain smart?) and the prohibition on bathroom breaks during the last hour of the flight (cruel and unusual punishment?). Surprisingly, what people aren't talking so much about are the methods employed by the country that pioneered and perfected aviation security, Israel. Get the new
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Israel has lived with terrorist threats since its inception as a nation-state. A fascinating article in The Toronto Star last week provided a detailed explanation of the multi-tiered, incredibly effective and -- by all accounts -- remarkably efficient system that the Israelis have devised to both detect and manage security threats at Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport. Despite facing dozens of potential threats each day, that airport's security has not been breached since 2002, when a passenger mistakenly carried a handgun onto a flight. The kicker: There aren't even long lines.

Here's how it works: From the moment you drive into the parking lot of the airport from one of two entrances, armed guards are there to monitor your car and ask you two questions: How are you and why are you here? Once inside, more questions follow as you wait in line to check in, accompanied by hand inspections of your bags when security personnel deem that wise. Finally, there's a layer of scanners and metal detectors. At all stages of the process, the Israelis employ profiling, but it's not profiling based on race, but on behavior. They are looking for things like body language and profuse sweating and other signs of unease. Crucially -- and in contrast to the United States -- your bag remains with you until your security check is complete, and you do the security checkbefore you obtain your ticket, not after.

What really distinguishes the Israeli security measures, however, is the extensive use of questioning. It's not just the casual "Have your bags been with you since you packed them?" sort of thing. It is, instead, detailed and probing and -- significantly -- once the security official starts asking you questions, s/he will never once take his eyes off of yours. This can, of course, be disconcerting. When I attended a wedding in Israel a few years back, a friend of mine -- young, single, male and traveling with two different passports, one British and one Australian -- was detained for several hours by the airport security team. Among other things, they asked to see all of the photos he'd taken on his trip and asked him why he didn't appear in any of them. (Answer: He was taking the pictures). Another friend was asked to give the security officials a pair of her jeans . . . to keep. They never told her why.

There are several reasons to think that moving towards the Israeli model would be superior to the sorts of measures that the U.S. and the U.K. have begun to implement in recent weeks. For starters, as Ria points out, profiling people by country is not a sure-fire way to screen all would-be terrorists. By enflaming the embers of anti-Islamic sentiment, this tactic could actually incite more people to commit acts of terror out of sheer resentment, rather than contain such acts.

It's also not clear that the best measure of the effectiveness of our airport security apparatus is the number of thwarted attacks, as is often thought to be the case. The best measure of our security is actually the number of attacks that aren't even attempted because would-be perpetrators fear being caught. That's counter-factual, and so it's impossible to know for sure. Still, looking at the ratio between the number of people who've said explicitly that they'd like to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and the number of attacks occurring at Ben Gurion over the last few decades, you'd have to say that the Israeli strategy seems to be working in this regard.

There are, to be sure, a number of costs to so-called Israelification. The difference in scale between the size of Israel and the U.S., for example, is enormous. By American standards, in terms of passengers served, Ben Gurion is like a busy regional airport on the order of Sacramento. So implementing Israeli-style security measures nationwide would be quite a feat.

For one thing, retraining employees at the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Agency along the lines of the Israeli model -- and both entities are already organizationally challenged -- would be both labor-intensive and expensive.

Finally, if Jan thinks civil liberties issues are involved in America's newest watch lists and security measures, those pale in comparison to the kind of liberties you'd need to give up were this scenario enacted (see above on photos and jeans). "Intrusive" would get a whole new meaning, something Bonnie got a taste of two years ago.

To be clear, I'm not advocating a full-scale Israelification for the United States' airports (although the U.K.'s smaller size makes it a much better candidate). But if we really want to talk turkey where airport security is concerned, we should certainly be at least considering it.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/0.../01/08/airport-security-is-israel-the-answer/
 
can't you see that this whole charade is a ploy? Except they make no effort to even hide it.. and now naturally they look to 'Israel' for answers..

hilarious!
 
This is disgusting. Which countries are going to implement this?

Well UK has already agreed to implent them soon. They are going to start with major airports such as Heathrow. Other countries will no doubt follow them (I think some German airports have already got them).
 
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I would guess he wanted to kill as many passengers as possible. The toilet area is enclosed and might have seriously lessened the blast.

but right after coming from toilet , he could have done it ?

A Convenient Bomb Plot

By Finian Cunningham

So, just when the US public is growing increasingly weary of these trillion-dollar wars that are killing young Americans and innocent villagers with no end in sight and for no credible purpose, and just when Washington wants to expand its regional war into Yemen - we conveniently have the "Christmas Day bomb plot" with a Yemeni connection.

Now, that is a gift for US war aims.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24355.htm
 
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