Is it a Womens fault for being raped?

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Very well said, Jazak'Allah kheir.

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wa iyyaki.
can i just clarify what i meant by "making themselves feel good" i didn't mean this as in to satisfy her lack of self esteem (if she dresses like that to gain the wrong attention, she has other issues that need to be addressed then to parade herself in front of a pack of wolves :rolleyes), but rather she dresses like that as it makes her well feel good...like for example even a hijaabi/niqaabi sisters dress the way they do becuase they like they way that their attire makes them feel satisified and good within themselves.
what im getting at is that people need to understand that dressing to please someone and to draw attention is different than dressing up for your own self...although your attire may be attractive and seem that you are indeed trying to draw the attention, it isnt the case in most cases.

if for example a woman goes dressed not so modestly and sits in a guys lap and flirts with him and all, im not saying it should give the green light to rape (let me get that clear), but at the same time she should be cautious about how men are. for example there was this story here a few months ago about a well known sports star who apparently him and four other guys were invited by a woman. later on the woman claims (i dont think she claimed that they raped her), but none the less some serious allegations were made against them. like situations like this, is a no brainier really. i mean what else do you think is going to happen when you invite 5 freaking men to your room. some common sense lady please!!!
again im not saying that what they did is right (i personally have my own reservations about the story itself ), but really, come on...


come on ladies!!! you are far better then to throw yourselves out :shade:

 

[aadil77]

No - everyone is responsible for their own actions

But women going round like half naked slu*ts on the streets can't say they aren't partly to blaim. After all they're looking to invite mens attention, so sometimes they should expect to get more than they bargain for.

 

[Caller الداعي]

“If a woman goes out of her home Shaytan will attract attention to her presence.” [At-Tirmidhi]

 

[Uthman]

I wouldn't say it's a woman's fault. However, since there are rapists out there, it makes sense to take precautions, by dressing modestly for example.

If we were to leave our doors unlocked at night, it wouldn't be our fault if our house gets burgled. But we would have been silly not to have taken precautions against it.

 

[Raaina]

I'm not sure dressing modestly or not would make any difference.

If there was a man hiding in the bushes with the intention of raping someone and you happen to walk past alone, then it's not going to make a different to the rapist what you are wearing.

Anyway that's just my opinion. As the sister before said, if you go along and invite 5 men to your hotel room, then you are asking for trouble, but i'm sure anyone with a bit of common sense would know that anyway.

But just your average person walking down the street and they get raped, I don't think you can blame the victim.

 

[Dagless]

women who go out to night clubs just wearing undergarments that look like two pieces of dental floss stuck together and milk bladder shields drinking all the alcohol there is despite knowing the risks are not to be blamed not one iota!

Random questions:

If the woman you have only seen and not spoken to is wearing 2 pieces of dental floss and has some blame, then does a woman lying in front of you wearing nothing have even more blame?

Who decides upon the level of blame? Since everyone is turned on by different things does the woman always have a level of blame? He could say "her hair was too tempting to resist, she should have covered it", or "her feet were too tempting, she should have worn boots", or "I can't resist a woman in boots, she should have worn shoes", or "her eyes did it for me, she should have worn sunglasses; it was her own fault".

If that is the case then do you get a reward for every time you do not rape a semi-naked woman? By part of the blame being hers it stands to reason if you do not act upon it then you get a reward.

However, if it is normal behaviour to not rape a semi-naked woman then you cannot get any reward for not doing it since you are doing nothing above what is expected. This is the same way you don't get reward everytime you don't commit murder when someone annoys you.

 

[CosmicPathos]

The difference in that is, one is a crime and the other is not.

How can anyone say a woman is partly to blame if she is jumped upon and dragged into some bushes and raped?

What happend to people being allow to wear what they want?

Not every woman wear's skimpy clothing and not only women in skimpy clothing get raped.

thank you so much for making it easier for us to realize what belief in secular values does to human's understanding of what is a crime and what is not. Maybe wearing skimpy clothing is NOT a crime in the UK, but it indeed is a crime in an Islamic emirate and is severely punishable for corrupting the society.

In response to this it might be said that it is reported in a saheeh hadeeth that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“There are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen yet. People with whips like the tails of cattle, with which they strike the people, and women who are clothed yet naked, walking with an enticing gait. They will not enter Paradise nor even smell its fragrance, although its fragrance may be detected from such and such a distance.”

 

[aamirsaab]

Noone deserves rape.

If you can't keep your dick in your pants when an immodestly dressed women walks by, you need to check yourself into an asylum.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Noone deserves rape.

If you can't keep your dick in your pants when an immodestly dressed women walks by, you need to check yourself into an asylum.

:wa:

Some males have high libido. If they go home and masturbate after they saw an immodestly dressed woman, do they still need to go to an asylum because they got high just after seeing such a woman? I am asking this because some people have this disease at least they "confessed" it at a clinic where I was volunteering.

 

[aamirsaab]

:wa:

Some males have high libido. If they go home and masturbate after they saw an immodestly dressed woman, do they still need to go to an asylum because they got high just after seeing such a woman?

That's not the same as raping someone.

 

[CosmicPathos]

That's not the same as raping someone.

of course, I jsut wanted the opinion on this one.

 

[S<Chowdhury]

:wa:

Some males have high libido. If they go home and masturbate after they saw an immodestly dressed woman, do they still need to go to an asylum because they got high just after seeing such a woman? I am asking this because some people have this disease at least they "confessed" it at a clinic where I was volunteering.

No of course not that would be just silly, as long as there not having the intention to actually go out and rape someone, or they don't have any control over there urges they don't need to be in an asylum. Of course maybe you need some counselling or other form of help but an asylum would be a bit to far, just for going home and masturbating.

 

[Life_Is_Short]

I'd say both equally.

 

[CosmicPathos]

No of course not that would be just silly, as long as there not having the intention to actually go out and rape someone, or they don't have any control over there urges they don't need to be in an asylum. Of course maybe you need some counselling or other form of help but an asylum would be a bit to far, just for going home and masturbating.

but why counseling too? I mean they are not committing a crime from a secular perspective. Medically, masturbation is also not a disease. So why counseling?


Islamically, its a different story.

 

[S<Chowdhury]

but why counseling too? I mean they are not committing a crime from a secular perspective. Medically, masturbation is also not a disease. So why counseling?


Islamically, its a different story.

Sorry I mean counselling for those who have this uncontrollable urge to masturbate after seeing every women that walks by who dressed a little immodestly. I would say that is a bit of a problem if they can't control the urge, and needed to masturbate everytime that's a bit of problem.

 

[cat eyes]

to a certain extent YES. And to all you muslims who are saying that its not the womans fault for not dressing modest, do u dare question the order of Allah??. would u allow your mother and sister to go out half naked? or would u want her to be protected. i suggest you read what your posting for making such nonsense that goes against what islam teaches

 

[CosmicPathos]

Sorry I mean counselling for those who have this uncontrollable urge to masturbate after seeing every women that walks by who dressed a little immodestly. I would say that is a bit of a problem if they can't control the urge, and needed to masturbate everytime that's a bit of problem.

No .... there is no medical reason to believe that getting a "bonner" after seeing a immodestly dressed woman is indicative of a disease. if anything, it points out that the hormones are functioning quite well. And then to indulge in masturbation is also not indicative of a disease, even if it is after seeing every good looking immodestly dressed woman.

Can you provide more medical evidence why it could be a problem?

 

[S<Chowdhury]

No .... there is no medical reason to believe that getting a "bonner" after seeing a immodestly dressed woman is indicative of a disease. if anything, it points out that the hormones are functioning quite well. And then to indulge in masturbation is also not indicative of a disease, even if it is after seeing every good looking immodestly dressed woman.

Can you provide more medical evidence why it could be a problem?

No, i guess I'll have to agree ... i wouldn't say its a "disease" but it can become a problem if you "over masturbate" in terms of health of course.

 

[S<Chowdhury]

we are going of the topic , but i see your point

 

[Alpha Dude]

Surah Al Ahzab
33:59

Yusuf Ali:
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Pickthal:
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

I think that's a clear enough Quranic ayat telling believing women to cover themselves to safeguard themselves from being harrassed/molested.

I think a lot can be said on this topic and it's not at all a black and white issue. There's many variables.

A rapist is responsible for his own actions and nothing can justify his behaviour. A woman would not intentionally want to be raped.

At the same time, women are told to dress appropriately so as to prevent people from harrassing them. This is a precaution that if not done, a woman is sinful for.

If a guy is intent on raping a girl and is hiding in a bush like in the scenario sister mystical_moon said, then I doubt he would wait for an immodestly dressed girl to go by. He'd probably grab the first girl he sees. In that case, all blame goes to the guy.

However, imagine there's a guy who rapes one girl every few nights. Some nights he doesn't feel like doing anything, but other nights he really wants his desires fulfilled. Imagine it's a night that he doesn't have any rape planned and an immodestly dressed girl walks past. Imagine if the desire stirs in his heart upon seeing this girl and he says 'what the heck, I might as well do this'. Is that girl at fault in this case? Unlike waiting in the bush for her, he wasn't really planning on it but felt the desire arouse DUE to the girl's dress. I'd say the girl has her ownself to blame for this particular rape taking place.

It always helps for a girl to be cautious.