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:sl: sister,

I believe it was an Afghan culture garment before the verses in the Qu'ran were revealed.

But, thats just my understanding from what i've learnt so far, I could be wrong. :statisfie

I doubt there are any "could've" left in this case. Truth is clear from falsehood. This is an interesting discovery: Burka was first introduced in Afghani culture.
 
:sl: sister,

I believe it was an Afghan culture garment before the verses in the Qu'ran were revealed.

But, thats just my understanding from what i've learnt so far, I could be wrong. :statisfie
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So how did this afghan practice reached the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) and his companions (radiAllahu anhuma)? If a better practice (niqab/burka) already existed what was the point of revealing ayaat to order women to cover themselves (no niqab/burka)?

Sister, may Allah preserve you, silent is gold and it is better to verify religiously stuff with people of knowledge before sharing wrong info and believing in it.
 
Thereis two openions about the rule of niqab in Islam,
Question: Assalamu Alaykum. I have a question regarding the daleels for NOT wearing niqab (as refutations for the daleels supporting niqab). ie, what do those who say niqab is not wajib base their opinion on? & what do they think of the early scholars' opinions on the tafaseer as well as ahadith supporting the obligation to cover the face. I have been searching for this & hope u can shed some light of some specific daleels (besides the daleel relating to fatima r.a.). your input is appreciated. Jazak Allah khair

Answer: Sheikh Nasirudeen Al-Albani has written a book entitled "HijabulMaraatilmuslima" answering the challange of Al-Mawdudi in his book Alhijab. Al-Albani goes for no niqab. He refers to the Hadith of Al-Bukhari that tells a youthful female came in Hajj to ask the Prophet a question on Hajj. Al-Fadl the cousin of the Prophet was a young youth. He started looking at that woman and the Prophet was turning his face. The Prophet did not tell that woman to wear a niqab. Had it been obligatory, he would have told her. This is a daleel that a woman can do without a niqab. We advise you to go through these two books as well as Al-Mufassal by Abdul-Karim Zaidan.

Question: A number of scholars, Maududi included, have claimed that Neqab is a requirement for Muslim women. What do you think and is there any book that discusses this issue and clarifies the position of Islam, by discussing the evidence the proponents of Neqab present?

Answer: A fard or haram should not be of controversial issues in the principles of thought or the rules of shari'a. A great many scholars have elaobrated on this statement, including whom who emphaiszed this the most are Malik, Abu Hanifah, Ahmed and Ash-Shafi'i. This is why Al-Imam Ahmed, in many questions he sued to answer makruh instead of saying haram.

We see that there are two major thoughts concerning niqab. For example, Maududi's book "Al-Hijab," is supportive to the niqab. That book is versus to Al-Albani's "Hijjab ul-Marratil Muslimah," which advocates the opinion of no niqab, referring to authentic narrations of Al-Bukhari when a youthful, attractive female asked the Prophet (SAAWS) a question on Hajj, she was uncovering her face. Al-Fadhil ibn Abbas, his (SAAWS) cousin started looking at her but the Prophet (SAAWS) was turning his head from that gaze. Had uncovering the face been haram, the Prophet (SAAWS) would have told her that she should wear a niqab, but he didn't do that. If I say anything next to that exposure of opinions and studies, I cannot believe that there is room for a clear-cut answer to say niqab is fard or uncovering the face is haram. I'm not goping to object to any woman if she prefers niqab nor am I objecting any man if he wants to cover his face. This is personal business and everyone should feel that they have the option in the arena of what is halal.

Question: As-Salamu `alaykum. I was watching a TV program that broadcasts some court cases. When I tuned to this channel, it was about a Muslim woman who is suing the State of Florida's Vehicle and License Department because it asked her to remove her face veil (niqab) so that an ID photo can be taken. One of the Muslim leaders in that state was on the cross-examination and argued that the woman can remove her niqab only in case of death!

What would you say to Muslim women who live in the West generally and in the US particularly about the issue of niqab? Is it so difficult to remove the niqab that she must file a case against the State, which doesn't even require her to uncover her hair, as some states do require for the drivers' license?

Answer: Dear brother, we commend your eagerness to become well acquainted with the teachings of Islam, which is the way Allah has chosen for the welfare of His servants.

As for your question, bear in mind that the majority of Imams — including those of the four schools of fiqh as well as others — hold the opinion that a woman is not obliged to cover her face and hands. However, a group of scholars, the majority of whom belong to the Hanbali School, teach that a woman must cover her face and hands as well.

It goes without saying that Muslims precede others in keeping the public interest and security of the nation. Therefore, if the law governing a given country requires uncovering the face of the woman for genuine reasons, such as identification, the Muslim woman, like all other women, abides by the law.

In response to your question, the prominent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Muhammad Iqbal Nadvi, Imam of Calgary Mosque, Alberta, Canada, and Former Professor at King Saud University, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, states:

“The issue of niqab (covering the whole body including the face and hands) is a basic condition of hijab (Muslim woman’s dress) in one school of fiqh, while it is recommended part of hijab in other schools. But what is agreed upon in all schools is to remove the niqab[i.e., to uncover the face]) for some genuine reasons such as identification or medical purpose.

The case you mentioned may be a reason to remove the niqab if the police officer is in need to do so, and there is a legal requirement by the law to show the face, regardless of the faith and this applies to all faiths.

However, this should not be a way of discrimination against a veiled woman just to tease her. Therefore, the sister has to insist on her right to use niqab and fight for this right IF she is targeted for discrimination and the law does not require showing the face.”

Dr. Rif`at Fawzi, professor of Shari`ah at Cairo University, adds:

“It is permissible, as far as Shari`ah is concerned, to remove the niqab (face cover) for some genuine reasons such as identification or to get a photo for ID or driving license.

Therefore, if a Muslim woman is asked to remove the face cover to get a photo for such genuine reasons, then she is permitted to do so and Almighty Allah will forgive such matters. Added to that, she will keep the photo and such matters are pardoned for the facilitation of the affairs of people.”

Question: Will I be harming the image of Islam if I wear the niqab? I have done a great deal of research and I have found that a number of scholars state it is mustahab. I understand completely that it is not fard but wish to take this step, seeking to please Allah. I am facing a lot of opposition as I live in a Western country. Please advise.

Answer: In The Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

"Indeed, living in a Western country is a good chance to help you give others a good idea about Islam. Wearing niqab is good in some aspects, but it gives wrong message to women in the West and wearing it makes them feel that Islam is very difficult to practice as lots of them think that it is very difficult to change from the American or Bristish life styles and wear the niqab.

Having said this, I advise Muslim sisters living in Western societies to wear clothes that are acceptable in the environment where they live, but those clothes should not give wrong message to the Westerners about Islam. Those clothes should symbolize modesty and respect for our women according to the teachings of Islam."

Question: I am a woman who wears niqab in Australia. I am having second thoughts about keeping it on because I feel that it has a negative da`wah towards my family and a bit towards my husbands family. I also think that if I did take it off I would do more da`wah towards my family who are misguided. It will lessoen the hate towards becoming Muslim and warm my mothers heart and other relatives hearts toward Islam.

I have looked into the issue of niqab and if it's Sunnah or fard; and I feel itss more Sunnah than fard. The thing is that my husband doesn't want me to take it off because he is a jealous man. How can I get through to him that maybe it's better for me to take it off to do more da`wah to my family and also to those around me? I feel that the niqab forms a barrier to giving da`wah in the west. Is it better to take off niqab in these western countries if one believes it's Sunnah?

Answer: As salamu `alaykum. I an not a supporter of niqab and find it a complete turn off in terms of communicating with people. To me it says 'Stay Away' - I do not wish to acknowledge or have dialogue with you - please do not invade my space'.

My feeling is that when I awake every day I think to myself what can I do today to address the misunderstandings about Islam - How can I make someone more aware about Islam - what can my presence in this world on this day do to influence someone positively about Islam and I go about my work with the help of Allah. Niqab will not allow me to do this and as far as your husband is concerned - let him get over himself - the situation with Islam in the world today is far too important compared with petty jealousy. Wa salam

Question: Question If a husband asks the wife to wear niqab in the west, is she obliged to obey him and wear it? If she doesn't accept it, will Allah be disappointed with her?

Answer: In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

It is not obligatory in Islam for a woman to wear niqab (face veil); Hijab, however, is obligatory. Since Allah did not mandate niqab, you have no right to force your wife to cover her face.

Furthermore, by this kind of approach you are being unwise and harsh; that will only help to drive her away from Islam. In this time and age of ours, it is absolutely necessary for us to understand the pressures on us, and present the compassionate and leniency of Islam. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Present Islam as it really is: simple and easy" and "You have been sent to bring good news, rather than doom!"

Therefore, be gentle and treat your wife compassionately.

source http://www.islamawareness.net/Hijab/Niqab/questions.html
 
Hi

Just wanted to ask:
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Do you agree with the Burka?
Yes. If people want to wear it, they should be allowed. We live in the 20th century, We are living in a time of freedom where people are allowed to say and do anything they want: homosexual relationships, gambling, alcohol, adultery ---> all allowed. So what's wrong with a bloody veil?!

If so, do you think all women, including non Muslims and those from other faiths (that may promote other versions of modesty) should wear it?
They can wear it if they want to. I have no problem with it: It's a piece of cloth wrapped around someone's face!
For the men, would you force your wife to wear one?
No. If she chooses to wear it, I have no problem. If she doesn't want to wear it, I have no problem.
 
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So how did this afghan practice reached the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) and his companions (radiAllahu anhuma)? If a better practice (niqab/burka) already existed what was the point of revealing ayaat to order women to cover themselves (no niqab/burka)?

Sister, may Allah preserve you, silent is gold and it is better to verify religiously stuff with people of knowledge before sharing wrong info and believing in it.

Look I just gave my opinion on the subject. If it's incorrect, then there is nothing wrong with that is there? I'm sure you've been mis informed on things before, or perhaps you are perfect and never make a mistake?

Edited to say: I think you will find, this is why country's like France are banning the burka, because they know it isn't a religious item, so banning it won't be breaking the law on religious terms.
 
I doubt there are any "could've" left in this case. Truth is clear from falsehood. This is an interesting discovery: Burka was first introduced in Afghani culture.

Ok so maybe it was first found in Arabian peninsula and not Afghanistan, but the point still remains, it's not found in the qu'ran.

I have no problem being corrected if I have incorrect information, but perhaps you could just point that out instead of making sarcastic remarks at my posts. :hmm:
 
The Quran doesn't tell us to cover our hair either... niqaab is a part of Islam, that is an undeniable fact. It is only whether it is obligatory or not that is debatable.
 
Ok so maybe it was first found in Arabian peninsula and not Afghanistan, but the point still remains, it's not found in the qu'ran.

I have no problem being corrected if I have incorrect information, but perhaps you could just point that out instead of making sarcastic remarks at my posts. :hmm:

please don't get offended or upset sis, just think of it as discussion, even I've said the wrongs before and people have told me that my information is incorrect. it's part of being human.

But as for your statement that it's not mentioned in the Qur'an neither is the command to wear the heard scarf, the word used refers to covering. Some people take it to mean only covering the head and wearing tight jeans underneath which is clearly wrong and not valid.

the hijaab should cover all the womens adornments not just her hair, there's a difference of opinion about whether the niqaab is obligatory or not, some scholars say the hijaab should cover everything except face and hands other scholars say the hijaab should cover even the face.

If I'm not mistaken hijaab refers to total covering not head scarf. so those women who are wearing head scarfs and working round exposing their bodies in actual fact aren't wearing hijaab, they're simply wearing a head scarf.

hijaab means full body covering.

however there is no difference of opinion that it is from Islam and not an afghani culture. And this is supported by many hadith.

and it's strange that many countries around the world decide to adopt something from the afghani culture like pakistan, saudi, and many other Muslim countries contain niqaab wearing sisters.

Did they all decide to copy the afghan culture in this specific area? obviously not, they're acting upon hadith that supports the wearing of niqaab.

again, there's no dispute about the niqaab being from Islam and not an afghani culture, the dispute is whether or not it's obligatory.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Hadith # 282
Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba (Radhiallaahu Ánha) "Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha) used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces.

it doesn't say it directly in the Qur'an but when the verse was revealed in the above mentioned hadith the believing women took it to mean that the hijaab extends to covering the face also.

but whether or not it's obligatory is a difference of opinion.
 
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Look I just gave my opinion on the subject. If it's incorrect, then there is nothing wrong with that is there? I'm sure you've been mis informed on things before, or perhaps you are perfect and never make a mistake?

Edited to say: I think you will find, this is why country's like France are banning the burka, because they know it isn't a religious item, so banning it won't be breaking the law on religious terms.

with respect my dear sis it is not France who decide what is from our religion and what isn't, they didn't study Qur'an, hadith, and tafseer.

it is the scholars and 'ulema who decide what is from our religion based upon the divine text and the interpretation of that divine text according to companions of the prophet pbuh. And hadiths are also used as evidence for what is from our religion.

and they are upon agreement that the niqaab is a religious item based upon much evidence in the hadith.

France may deem it to not be a religious item and not from Islam however if many of the sahabba (companions) were here today they would strongly disagree and tell you "it is from Islam. And that is why our wifes wear it".

^ I say that cos we have narrations from them stating it to be from the religion of Islam just like the head scarf is from the religion.
 
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Erm salaam ,

Regarding origins of burqa .. ( note: people don't get emotional and gang up others when you haven't done research yourselves , in short moon sis was partially right. ) ..

This type of dress has its origins with desert times long before Islam arrived. It had two functions. Firstly as a sand mask in windy conditions. This would be worn by men and women and is still common today. For women only the masking of the face and body was used when one group was being raided by another. These raids often involved the taking of women of child bearing age. With all women hidden behind a veil the chances of being taken were substantially reduced as the women of child bearing age could not be quickly distinguished from the very young and the old in the turmoil of fighting.[citation needed]

Many Muslims believe that the Islamic holy book, the Qur'an, and the collected traditions of the life of Muhammed, or hadith, require both men and women to dress and behave modestly in public. However, this requirement, called hijab, has been interpreted in many different ways by Islamic scholars (ulema) and Muslim communities (see Women and Islam); the burqa is not specifically mentioned in the Quran.[2]

references : http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/essay-01.html
http://middleeasternaffairs.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_burqa_controversy


People who saw nomadic tribes in araba ( in ngc or discovery ) also know that this is the usual garment they wear.
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The fact is that niyat ( intention ) differs when you wear it as an cultural garment and when you wear it for imaan.

I agree with people who wear burqa and i cannot comment on its rulings or if its compulsary as i believe i am not knowledgable enough yet to go into fiqh issues.
 
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^exactly some scholars interpret hijaab to cover the face, others interpret it to cover everything except the face and hands. None of them say the niqaab isn't from Islam or has no basis in Islam as it's a tradition of a particular country. another hadith

Abu Dawood Book 32, Hadith # 4090
Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin (Radhiallaahu Ánha): When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.

Imaam Malik's MUWATTA Book 20 Hadith # 20.5.16
Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa that Fatima bint al-Mundhir (Radhiallaahu Ánha) said, "We used to veil our faces when we were in Ihram in the company of Asma bint Abi Bakr As-Siddiq (Radhiallaahu Ánha). "This again proves that not only the wives of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) wore the Niqaab and that even though in Ihram women are not supposed to wear Niqaab but if men are there they still have to cover the face.


Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Hadith # 715
Narrated 'Ikrima (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) narrates "Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil." It is a very long hadith but the point is the women of Sahaba wore the full veil.
 
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Ok so maybe it was first found in Arabian peninsula and not Afghanistan, but the point still remains, it's not found in the qu'ran.

I have no problem being corrected if I have incorrect information, but perhaps you could just point that out instead of making sarcastic remarks at my posts. :hmm:

You have been corrected several times. The ruling for covering the hair is also not found in Quran.

You found my comment sarcastic? Why is that? I merely restated your assertion. Maybe the ridiculousness of your claim is also now apparent to you? subhanAllah.

You are mocking our sisters in the West who choose to wear Niqab/Burka. You are telling non-Muslims by your views that niqab/burkaw worn by these sisters is for cultural reasons and not religious. This is what mockery is. Colossal mockery.

Your comments that burka is afghani in origin are invalid even from a cultural anthropological point of view.
 
Erm salaam ,

Regarding origins of burqa .. ( note: people don't get emotional and gang up others when you haven't done research yourselves , in short moon sis was partially right. ) ..



references : http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/essay-01.html
http://middleeasternaffairs.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_burqa_controversy


People who saw nomadic tribes in araba ( in ngc or discovery ) also know that this is the usual garment they wear.
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The fact is that niyat ( intention ) differs when you wear it as an cultural garment and when you wear it for imaan.

I agree with people who wear burqa and i cannot comment on its rulings or if its compulsary as i believe i am not knowledgable enough yet to go into fiqh issues.

Many things that are obligatory in Sharia were practiced before Islam. Just because they were in pre-Islamic, it does not mean it is cultural. For example, a Hindu who converts to Islam, he might find wearing one's trousers above the ankle as a cultural thing rather than religious because maybe in Hindu culture wearing trousers below ankles does not mean one is trying to be proud or arrogant.
 
Many things that are obligatory in Sharia were practiced before Islam. Just because they were in pre-Islamic, it does not mean it is cultural. For example, a Hindu who converts to Islam, he might find wearing one's trousers above the ankle as a cultural thing rather than religious because maybe in Hindu culture wearing trousers below ankles does not mean one is trying to be proud or arrogant.
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I completely accept your point. I am not saying its cultural but some people are outrightly arguing others point without giving thought on what was said, i feel is wrong. anyway my post only talks about its origins.

:)
 
You have been corrected several times. The ruling for covering the hair is also not found in Quran.

You found my comment sarcastic? Why is that? I merely restated your assertion. Maybe the ridiculousness of your claim is also now apparent to you? subhanAllah.

You are mocking our sisters in the West who choose to wear Niqab/Burka. You are telling non-Muslims by your views that niqab/burkaw worn by these sisters is for cultural reasons and not religious. This is what mockery is. Colossal mockery.

Your comments that burka is afghani in origin are invalid even from a cultural anthropological point of view.

:sl: maybe we should correct the sister in a more kinder fashion don't you think brother like what we were thought by the prophet (saw).:) she is just a revert to islam and when i first reverted i heard all sorts of things to.. people make mistakes and everybody else please be more gentle on her for the sake of Allah.
 
yes please remember, sis is new to Islam so we shouldn't jump down her throat when she says something incorrect or jump down anyones throat, just kindly tell her that it's not correct.

I apologise sis moon if I upset you in any way. or was offensive.
 
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:sl: maybe we should correct the sister in a more kinder fashion don't you think brother like what we were thought by the prophet (saw).:) she is just a revert to islam and when i first reverted i heard all sorts of things to.. people make mistakes and everybody else please be more gentle on her for the sake of Allah.

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I agree. Emotions must never be a part of dawah. But if you please look at the whole thread, evidence upon evidence has been given suggesting that burka/niqab is not cultural. She still just want to stick to her opinion. I do not mind that. But she is effectively saying that Burka/Niqab is cultural, I feel this is insult to niqab/burka wearing sisters, especially my mom as well! :( And I realize that wearing only hijab is also opinion of scholars, but I have not "insulted" her by saying that no, you are a liberal cultural Muslim or something like that.

Kher, may Allah manifest the Truth from whosever mouth it is.
 
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I agree. Emotions must never be a part of dawah. But if you please look at the whole thread, evidence upon evidence has been given suggesting that burka/niqab is not cultural. She still just want to stick to her opinion. I do not mind that. But she is effectively saying that Burka/Niqab is cultural, I feel this is insult to niqab/burka wearing sisters, especially my mom as well! :(

Kher, may Allah manifest the Truth from whosever mouth it is.

i know how you feel bro but we must melt there hearts with kindness until they will listen even Allah says this and surely Allah knows best and believe me it dose work then you will get rewarded by Allah for giving dawah especially to revert imagine :) you have to understand that when a person reverts to islam they know very little and they always get told the wrong things first or they go on to some corrupted website believing that this is true and things like this so we have to take all of this in to consideration.
 
There are four ayahs in the quran which mention 'covering' for women.

Neither of these directly use the terms hijab, niqab or any other terms we use today.

Id love to get into a nitty gritty word for word ayah exploration here but I really havent got the time.

One thing is certain in Islam and the religions which came before Islam. Covering up womens adornments and dressing modestly is a certainty in Islam.

Now what is the difference between a hijab and a niqab. A hijab covers the all parts of the body besides the face, hands and according to some madhabs, the feet. The nijab covers all of the woman except her eyes...for some women, even the eyes.

Which is correct? I do not feel at all comfortable giving my opinion when Allah and our prophet and greater men before me have commented on this matter. However, Islam is a religion of logic and reason. Therefore, I would like to promote that both are equally correct.

That is, the hijab is clearly prescribed in the quran. The four madhabs have clearly prescribed the method of covering regarding the hijab. Given that Islam is supposed to be a universal religion, all women are able to and should be covering in this prescribed way. That is, the hijab is the lowest level or standard of covering for women.

The niqab does have a place in Islam. The wives of our prophet wore it. But one thing must be made clear. Women back then, leading from judaism, would wear head and hair covering garments. Therefore, when the ayah came down, it read: "...cover your bosoms..." This ayah was guidance for the women to extend their already covered hair to their bosoms also. In the quran, our prophet is told to tell his wives and the women of islam to cover in a manner in which they "cannot be recognised". Scholars have argued that this is because women of islam, especially our prophets wives, were target for non muslim thugs at the time and therefore this ayah is contextual.

So considering the past, the niqab is a very valid mode of dressing in Islam. It is not prescribed by the quran or our prophet for a universal audience directly, however, covering is about modesty. Hence, I believe that all women need to guage the universality of their mode of dressing. I believe if that by the grace of Allah the world were to become Muslim overnight, many cultures would not be able to find logic in this practice. I think that all women, given that hijab is the lowest form of covering, need to gauge the level of modesty they can adopt to given their context. I like to call this 'contextual modesty'.

My boss at work is an educated woman who wears the niqab. She has a few setbacks, but is confident enough to go on with it. May Allah increase her faith. I cannot disagree with the niqab as it does have a place in Islam...cultural, political, historical or social...it doesnt matter. It is valid and is actually a very very personal (yet very social) thing. If a woman feels she is able to wear the niqab, feels deeply for it and feels that this is the way it is to be, then we, as muslims, need to respect that. Because if we dont respect these muslim sisters, we cant expect anyone else to. Likewise, sisters who wear the niqab need to respect sisters who wear the hijab keeping in mind that hijab is the prescribed form of covering and these sisters should not feel a sense of pride for having 'greater levels of iman' than sisters who wear hijab...that is one battle won and another battle lost with the nafs.

Peace.
 
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