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Ok guys, lets forget the diplomacy bla bla, and keep it simple : What on earth make Israel a ligitimate state ? =>
1) religion ? no (a big LIE)
2) history ? no (a bigger L I E !)
3) Power ? yes

Today, it's all about power. You have power then you are respected and you are beyond the low : you are the low ! Examples :
The USA !
CHINA !
RUSSIA !
They don't respect the low, they make the low !

Another emerging example : Iran. Why is the world hesitating on how to deal with Iran ? It's because Iran seems to have nuclear weapons. Why we didn't see the USA hesitating before invading Iraq ? the same reason : Iraq has no power.

Today the whole world is thinking that way. Israel is the most "powerful" State in the Middle East, so no need for legal reasons for Isreal : the military power is the most convincing.

How does one become a legitimate state? If you do not accept Israel as a legitimate state, then why on Earth should you accept the USA, China, Sudan, France, Iran, Australia, New Zealand, Yemen, Sri Lanka, Northern Cyprus, Russia, India, Myanmar or Morocco as legitimate? Do you accept those countries are illegitimate?
 
Groups need leadership. Those leaders speak for the people. Give me one example of where this is not the case.

Israel. America. Palestinians.

All these people have no leadership actually.

What we call leadership leads the systems not the people.

It leads the hospitals, military, schools, universities and transfers money
and work power to them.

But it has nothing to do with the people. The government is just a bureaucratic
organization which seems to have people working for it. These are the people
we call Prime Minister and President - they are not leaders of any sorts.

And if anything - they do not lead people.
 
Israel. America. Palestinians.

All these people have no leadership actually.

What we call leadership leads the systems not the people.

It leads the hospitals, military, schools, universities and transfers money
and work power to them.

But it has nothing to do with the people. The government is just a bureaucratic
organization which seems to have people working for it. These are the people
we call Prime Minister and President - they are not leaders of any sorts.

And if anything - they do not lead people.

Sorry but what you're saying doesn't make sense. Israel and Palestine both have governments which were voted in by the majority. They both get high approval ratings, which means what they do is backed by the majority.
 
Sorry but what you're saying doesn't make sense. Israel and Palestine both have governments which were voted in by the majority. They both get high approval ratings, which means what they do is backed by the majority.

No it does not.

Let's say I come to you and ask you "what do you want to eat? Non coked beans or dry potato coverings?"

If I would push you to the wall you would choose one of them.

But do you really want to eat any of this? Probably not - but you do not have any other option.

It would also not be fair if I would say that you like non-cocked beans because it was not really
your choice.

In short - we give people too much credit. Countries usually consist of a few million people - while most people cannot even make the right choices about their own lives - so asking for them to decide about the life of others is a weird idea.
 
There is no Israel. They stole the land from the Palestinians and are killing palestinians all the time, then they cover it from the media.
 
In virtually every war there have been people making a profit. Wars continue because somebody is making money over the conflict. Remove the profit and the war ends. We can begin by examining some Supporters of the Zion government. We can also examine the motives of some who manage to supply and smuggle munitions and products for making munitions into Gaza. Not everybody who is aiding Hamas, is doing so because they love Muslims.

In the past the weapon of choice for Hamas was the Katyusha rocket. We know these were originally supplied by Russians, some Russian smugglers made a few dollars off these. Newer ones are now being made elsewhere and continue to find their way into the hands of Palestinians. The Katyusha is an interesting weapon. It is designed for short time usage only for disorienting the enemy while a major assault is being staged. To be effective for it's purpose hundreds of them have to be fired rapidly. By themselves they are almost a useless weapon, very inaccurate, short range and unpredictable. There attraction is they are visible, make a lot of noise and look like they are dangerous. The reality is one or 2 fired alone is not much more effective than a fire cracker. If you could select the weapon you hope an enemy would shoot at you that is a good choice.

Just for example:

Eight hurt as record number of rockets hits northern Israel
Haaretz reporter among the wounded as 140 Katyushas rain down; residential buildings hit in Acre, Kiryat Shmona.
By Haaretz Staff and Agencies



Hezbollah fired a record 140 Katyusha rockets at targets in northern Israel on Sunday, wounding at least eight people, including a Haaretz correspondent.

Seven of the wounded sustained light injuries. The wounds of Haaretz reporter Yuval Azoulay were described as moderate. He was evacuated to Sieff hospital in Safed.
SOURCE

Hardly a weapon to supply somebody with if you expect or want them to win a battle. Only use for them is the supplier is making money off of them.

Come to think of it looking at all of the assaults by Palestinians, there have been more Palestinians killed or injured by them than any other group. Something is wrong with this picture.

Why does it continue? Somebody is making a profit off of Palestinians seeking freedom.
 
In virtually every war there have been people making a profit. Wars continue because somebody is making money over the conflict. Remove the profit and the war ends. We can begin by examining some Supporters of the Zion government. We can also examine the motives of some who manage to supply and smuggle munitions and products for making munitions into Gaza. Not everybody who is aiding Hamas, is doing so because they love Muslims.

In the past the weapon of choice for Hamas was the Katyusha rocket. We know these were originally supplied by Russians, some Russian smugglers made a few dollars off these. Newer ones are now being made elsewhere and continue to find their way into the hands of Palestinians. The Katyusha is an interesting weapon. It is designed for short time usage only for disorienting the enemy while a major assault is being staged. To be effective for it's purpose hundreds of them have to be fired rapidly. By themselves they are almost a useless weapon, very inaccurate, short range and unpredictable. There attraction is they are visible, make a lot of noise and look like they are dangerous. The reality is one or 2 fired alone is not much more effective than a fire cracker. If you could select the weapon you hope an enemy would shoot at you that is a good choice.

Just for example:

SOURCE

Hardly a weapon to supply somebody with if you expect or want them to win a battle. Only use for them is the supplier is making money off of them.

Come to think of it looking at all of the assaults by Palestinians, there have been more Palestinians killed or injured by them than any other group. Something is wrong with this picture.

Why does it continue? Somebody is making a profit off of Palestinians seeking freedom.

And who is this somebody and why is he behaving like such a pig?

Also - why do we not go against him - if he is truly the source?
 
Akhee are you referring to Hamas as "somebody"..can you please elaborate?

No. Wodroo said that somebody is making a profit out of this conflict and this is the only reason
why it keeps existing.

Then I said - let us find who this somebody is - or make a list of all these people and think of how
to solve the problem with them.

There are two options actually

1. The list amounts to two or five people at most - this makes things very simple.

2. The list amounts to millions of people all over the world - this is scenario is
somewhat more complicated.
 
Its these weak arab government that help the Israelis trust me, the only way they help their Palestinians brothers and sisters is by giving them money only, but no political support so hows that can give Palestian freedom when their own brothers and sisters aren't helping them. I can't stand these weak arab government like egypt and Saudi arabia they are just puppets for the western countries.
 
Its these weak arab government that help the Israelis trust me, the only way they help their Palestinians brothers and sisters is by giving them money only, but no political support so hows that can give Palestian freedom when their own brothers and sisters aren't helping them. I can't stand these weak arab government like egypt and Saudi arabia they are just puppets for the western countries.

This might be. But no matter how strong or weak these governments would be - they would never solve the one most important issue - the issue of Jerusalem as this is an issue which has nothing to do with power but rather
with religion. Without following the laws of Allah completely this issue would never be solved.
 
This might be. But no matter how strong or weak these governments would be - they would never solve the one most important issue - the issue of Jerusalem as this is an issue which has nothing to do with power but rather
with religion. Without following the laws of Allah completely this issue would never be solved.


The situation regarding jerusalem and palestian will not be solved until all the Muslims become united as there is no unity between Muslims countries at the moment as all their governments are being used by the westerns.
 
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And who is this somebody and why is he behaving like such a pig?

Also - why do we not go against him - if he is truly the source?

The who is difficult to identify because it most likely is not a single entity, but rather separate greedy groups. some are stock holders in munition factories, some will be unsuspecting pawns who are being used. Others may be well planned bureaucrats lining their own pockets. If we are to give him a name it would be GREED and he will be found in the faces of greedy people who have no concern for the source of their wealth he crawls on his belly over the land of every nation. To kill this monster his source of money must end. Bring an end to the war profit and the war will end.

I do not know how to end it, I only know that each of us must not be a source of income for this monster.
 
The situation regarding jerusalem and palestian will not be solved until all the Muslims become united and their is no unity between Muslims countries as all their governments are being used by the westerns.

I've never fully understood this. What magical solution do you propose that all the Muslim countries, if they came together in this future unity, initiate?
 
I've never fully understood this. What magical solution do you propose that all the Muslim countries, if they came together in this future unity, initiate?

As usual the non-muslims fear the unity of Islam, I wonder why.

I am talking about the Unity between the muslim government and the muslim population, the population are the voice not the government. If some muslims government stoped being puppets for the western world then Palestian would be liberated long time ago from these jewish invaders.
 
I've never fully understood this. What magical solution do you propose that all the Muslim countries, if they came together in this future unity, initiate?

Truly! This, your Ummah [Sharia or religion (Islamic Monotheism)] is one religion, and I am your Lord, therefore worship Me (Alone). Surat Al-Anbiya 21:92

It initiates that Muslims are supposed to be one Nation, and if a enemy hurts one person, the whole Ummah should be hurt and defend that one person.
 
As usual the non-muslims fear the unity of Islam, I wonder why.

I am talking about the Unity between the muslim government and the muslim population, the population are the voice not the government. If some muslims government stoped being puppets for the western world then Palestian would be liberated long time ago from these jewish invaders.

Wait... what? What are you talking about? I'm asking you what you think would actually happen with Israel if there was some future Islamic state.
 
Wait... what? What are you talking about? I'm asking you what you think would actually happen with Israel if there was some future Islamic state.

What WILL happen is this,inshaAllah:

It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said. “The Jews will fight you and you will prevail over them until a rock will say, “O Muslim, here is a Jew behind me, (come and) kill him.”’” (narrated by Ahmad and al-Tirmidhi, who said, this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth).

And it was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘The Dajjaal will come down to this pond at Marriqanaat (a valley near Madeenah), and most of those who go out to follow him will be women, such that a man will go back to his wife, mother, daughter, sister or (paternal) aunt and will tie them up lest they go out to join him. Then Allaah will grant the Muslims victory over him, and they will kill him and his party, until a Jew will hide beneath a tree or a rock, and the tree or rock will say, ‘Here a Jew beneath me, (come and) kill him.’” (Narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad). This was also narrated by Ibn Maajah from Abu Umaamah al-Baahili from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning the Dajjaal.

And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 3/91
 
As a complete outsider with no affiliation to either Palestinians or Jews they appear to be one and the same people. They look the same, many of their customs are the same and they share much of their history. From where I stand, Palestinians look like Jews who converted to Islam. So on that basis I believe they have equal rights to live in the land which was previously Canaan. In fact (niaive as it may sound) I believe they should unite and form one country and call it Canaan. I just can’t see how you can have a viable country where one part of the country is a small strip of land (Gaza) separated from the other.

Where in the koran is it written that Palestine is only for muslims?
There is also, no mention of Jerusalem in the koran!

 
Where in the koran is it written that Palestine is only for muslims?
There is also, no mention of Jerusalem in the koran!


The Farthest Mosque (al Aqsa, Temple, mount Zion, etc) is mentioned in the Quran and is in Jerusalem


It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said. “The Jews will fight you and you will prevail over them until a rock will say, “O Muslim, here is a Jew behind me, (come and) kill him.”’” (narrated by Ahmad and al-Tirmidhi, who said, this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth).

And it was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘The Dajjaal will come down to this pond at Marriqanaat (a valley near Madeenah), and most of those who go out to follow him will be women, such that a man will go back to his wife, mother, daughter, sister or (paternal) aunt and will tie them up lest they go out to join him. Then Allaah will grant the Muslims victory over him, and they will kill him and his party, until a Jew will hide beneath a tree or a rock, and the tree or rock will say, ‘Here a Jew beneath me, (come and) kill him.’” (Narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad). This was also narrated by Ibn Maajah from Abu Umaamah al-Baahili from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning the Dajjaal.

And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 3/91

Thank you for this (I of course, respectfully reject any Hadith with regards to the future. I was merely asking for an Islamic point of view).
 
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