Iraqi Kids taunted in Facebook video

[Ramadhan]

The actions of those soldiers seem degrading to me and you, but not for those kids, because they didn't speak English, they didn't know what was going on in the first place. Had they spoken English, it would have been far more degrading for them.
How are Western governments proposing indecency in media, schools and churches ?

You are a fine example of the so-called "atheist morality"
You think just because the kids do not speak english then the disgusting action becomes less degrading?
what kind of logic are you using?
It IS even more degrading for the very fact the kids do not speak english, and it is such a super coward action, to do that to children.
Do you think the soldier would even dare to do that to a couple of children in Fairbanks, Alaska?

 

[Ramadhan]

I can respect a person for wanting to take up arms because he/she thinks his/her country has been invaded, but I can't respect a person who says that a soldier who makes a bad joke should get killed for making that joke.

I cannot speak for br. Aadil, but I pray that all US soldiers get killed in Iraq, not for just making "bad jokes", but for just being there.
and if they make "bad joke" just like the soldier, may I wish them a very painful death.

 

[AinEstonia]

You are a fine example of the so-called "atheist morals"
You think just because the kids do not speak english then the disgusting action becomes less degrading?
what kind of logic are you using?
It IS even more degrading for the very fact the kids do not speak english, and it is such a super coward action, to do that to children.
Do you think the soldier would even dare to do that to a couple of children in Fairbanks, Alaska?

How can it be degrading to those kids if they don't even know what's going on ?
If I said a few words to you in a language you don't speak, would you feel degraded ? You wouldn't know if I said good things or very very bad things.
If someone says "**** you" to me, and I don't speak English, could I possibly take it offensively ?

 

[جوري]

and you know this because (you are psychic)? studies show that very little emphasis is based on what is being said, and that the tone of voice and body language make up the largest component of how words are perceived -- that can be evinced from the video itself where the older child realized something was amiss by holding the other kid's hands down..

well this woman is deaf it is ok for me to make her the brunt of my attacks because she can't hear me anyway!

the hilarity!

You are a fine example of the so-called "atheist morality"
You think just because the kids do not speak english then the disgusting action becomes less degrading?
what kind of logic are you using?
It IS even more degrading for the very fact the kids do not speak english, and it is such a super coward action, to do that to children.
Do you think the soldier would even dare to do that to a couple of children in Fairbanks, Alaska?

I wouldn't bother with this guy.. he has a comprehension and reading impediment!

 

[AinEstonia]

I cannot speak for br. Aadil, but I pray that all US soldiers get killed in Iraq, not for just making "bad jokes", but for just being there.
and if they make "bad joke" just like the soldier, may I wish them a very painful death.

Wow, just wow. Wouldn't it be better for you to pray that they leave Iraq as soon as possible. The violence in Iraq is now on the same level as it was before the invasion, and hopefully it will lower even more. I can't believe that instead of praying for peace in Iraq, you pray for the death of many many soldiers.

 

[Ramadhan]

How can it be degrading to those kids if they don't even know what's going on ?
If I said a few words to you in a language you don't speak, would you feel degraded ? You wouldn't know if I said good things or very very bad things.
If someone says "**** you" to me, and I don't speak English, could I possibly take it offensively ?

Oh of course, i forgot, an atheist does not believe in absolute morality.
For atheists, if the victims do not realize that they are victims, then is all well.

And by the way, as sis. Lily has pointed out, how do you know that the children did not feel they are being mocked?
the very fact that child realised something was wrong should have told you that it finally dawned on them the soldier was mocking them.

 

[Ramadhan]

Wow, just wow. Wouldn't it be better for you to pray that they leave Iraq as soon as possible. The violence in Iraq is now on the same level as it was before the invasion, and hopefully it will lower even more. I can't believe that instead of praying for peace in Iraq, you pray for the death of many many soldiers.

LOL. Oh, you atheists live in la la land.
Since when did occupiers leave their occupied land willingly?
Not after thousands and thousands of bodybags did US finally forced to leave vietnam.
And what does "peace in Iraq" mean if they are under occupation by foreign troops?

 

[AinEstonia]

Oh of course, i forgot, an atheist does not believe in absolute morality.
For atheists, if the victims do not realize that they are victims, then is all well.

And by the way, as sis. Lily has pointed out, how do you know that the children did not feel they are being mocked?
the very fact that child realised something was wrong should have told you that it finally dawned on them the soldier was mocking them.

Absolute morality just doesn't exist, our morality is generally vastly different from those who lived 2000 years ago. We no longer support slavery, mistreatment based on race or sex and on.
They probably did feel they were being mocked a bit, but since they didn't understand the actual words being said, it's unlikely they understood the level of inappropriateness of the joke being made.
If I ever met you in person, and mocked you in Estonian in a very subtle way, you would have no way to tell how inappropriate my joke may be.

 

[marwen]

Wow, just wow. Wouldn't it be better for you to pray that they leave Iraq as soon as possible. The violence in Iraq is now on the same level as it was before the invasion, and hopefully it will lower even more. I can't believe that instead of praying for peace in Iraq, you pray for the death of many many soldiers.

What about we go to help these soldiers to kill more children, that's better no ?
Ok brother or sister, if you're using these arguments just to keep the conversation on, then it's ok. But if you really think that way, then there must be something wrong with your logic, so just stop using them.

 

[AinEstonia]

What about we go to help these soldiers to kill more children, that's better no ?
Ok brother or sister, if you're using these arguments just to keep the conversation on, then it's ok. But if you really think that way, then there must be something wrong with your logic, so just stop using them.

Soldiers to kill children, most of you probably saw the video of US Apache pilots killing civilians and kids and then justifying it by saying: " Their fault for bringing kids into war."
That was appalling, but I wouldn't generalize all soldiers because of it. Sometimes a soldier may have no choice, because there are child soldiers and then you have to choose between the safety of your comrades or the safety of a child who's about to kill you.
But in most cases, when soldier kills a kid, it's not intentional. A soldier may get spooked by a sound and shoots at a target he/she doesn't clearly see, but then finds out the person he/she shot was a kid playing or something like that.
And it's not like US soldiers don't suffer, many US soldiers get PTSD ( post-traumatic stress disorder), and some of them commit suicide, to your delight, I guess.

 

[Ramadhan]

Absolute morality just doesn't exist, our morality is generally vastly different from those who lived 2000 years ago. We no longer support slavery, mistreatment based on race or sex and on.

That is your atheism belief, as I have pointed out before.

They probably did feel they were being mocked a bit, but since they didn't understand the actual words being said, it's unlikely they understood the level of inappropriateness of the joke being made.
If I ever met you in person, and mocked you in Estonian in a very subtle way, you would have no way to tell how inappropriate my joke may be.

It does not make your action any less degrading, and actually is even more so.
Unless of course you are one of those cowards, like the soldier.

 

[AinEstonia]

That is your atheism belief, as I have pointed out before.
It does not make your action any less degrading, and actually is even more so.
Unless of course you are one of those cowards, like the soldier.

IF there was a thing such as absolute morality, then we would be believing the same things as people who lived 2000 years ago, but luckily we don't.
And if I made fun of you in a language you didn't understand, it wouldn't be more degrading, it would be more uncomfortable and weird, but not more degrading. How it could be more degrading if you had no idea what was being said ?

 

[Ramadhan]

IF there was a thing such as absolute morality, then we would be believing the same things as people who lived 2000 years ago, but luckily we don't.

You ever heard of something called "free will", that makes us humans and not robots?
There is absolute morality, and it is up to you whether you accept it and live based on it, or not. No one forces you.
That is why in the judgement day all of us are accountable for all our actions, and so we do not have any excuse.

And if I made fun of you in a language you didn't understand, it wouldn't be more degrading, it would be more uncomfortable and weird, but not more degrading. How it could be more degrading if you had no idea what was being said ?

The action itself is more degrading, because it is done on the victim who is powerless (by lack of the language), just like what they did to the prisoners in abu ghraib (who are chained and stripped off) and the children (who are children AND lack of language).

 

[CosmicPathos]

IF there was a thing such as absolute morality, then we would be believing the same things as people who lived 2000 years ago, but luckily we don't.
And if I made fun of you in a language you didn't understand, it wouldn't be more degrading, it would be more uncomfortable and weird, but not more degrading. How it could be more degrading if you had no idea what was being said ?

so people living 2000 years ago were immoral compared to you? What an arrogant ape who thinks he/she is more moral 2000 years later. 2000 years further, I hope your progeny thinks you were immoral.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

If some of the soldiers comitted suicide cause of post-traumatic disorder, then they deserved well because their profession was evil to begin with which caused them all sorts of disorders.

 

[AinEstonia]

so people living 2000 years ago were immoral compared to you? What an arrogant ape who thinks he/she is more moral 2000 years later. 2000 years further, I hope your progeny thinks you were immoral.

We do consider some of the things people did 2000 years ago as immoral, like slavery or mistreating people solely on their race or sex, would add mistreating people based on their sexual orientation as well, but it's unlikely you agree with that.

If some of the soldiers comitted suicide cause of post-traumatic disorder, then they deserved well because their profession was evil to begin with which caused them all sorts of disorders.

In that case, when Muslim soldiers who are suffering from PTSD commit suicide, they deserve it as well.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

We do consider some of the things people did 2000 years ago as immoral, like slavery or mistreating people solely on their race or sex, would add mistreating people based on their sexual orientation as well, but it's unlikely you agree with that.



In that case, when Muslim soldiers who are suffering from PTSD commit suicide, they deserve it as well.

A true muslim would never join an army who kills his own brothers and sisters.

 

[AinEstonia]

A true muslim would never join an army who kills his own brothers and sisters.

There are conflicts between Muslims, and whether you like it or not, Muslims do kill other Muslims.

 

[CosmicPathos]

There are conflicts between Muslims, and whether you like it or not, Muslims do kill other Muslims.

Islam is not known by what STUPID heretic Muslims do. Islam is known by Quran and Sunnah.

 

[revert2007]

There are conflicts between Muslims, and whether you like it or not, Muslims do kill other Muslims.

I agree but is that going to prove Islam is the false religion or is that going to prove there is no God or no Creator?
Humans always have conflicts with each other.If there is no human around you,you will begin to have conflict with your mind.There is no end for conflicts.