Florida Church to HOld Qur'an Burning!

[Vigno]

Salamu Alekum

Indeed genuine muslims would never do such a thing or even think of it, but surely if some muslims go astray and decide to do that then they ll be subjected to attacks naming them as terrorists and racists and and and... but other religions can do all they want and receive a good bunch of support and gratitude.
You know this is just another sign of Allah's mercy on His creatures, they do such things and yet Allah doesn't make the ground eat them alive. Subhanah Allah wa la ilaha ila Allah wa Allahu akbar.

Salamu alekum

 

[glo]

Moot point. I do not believe any genuine follower of Islam would burn another faith's scriptures. We may disagree with them and argue against them, but burn them, I do not see ever happening.

I agree that Muslims recognise the divine origin in the Bible - even if they consider it to be corrupted, and that they would therefore hold the Bible in some regard.

Of course we cannot say that burning the Bible does not ever happen or has never happened, but I don't think it is anything that Muslims on the whole would condone or agree with.



Woodrow, do you think the same would apply to scriptures from other non-Abrahamic faiths? For example, Hindu or Buddhist texts and books?
I am aware that the Abrahamic faiths are bestowed a greater respect in Islam than the non-monotheistic religions.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Honestly some of the comments here are just D.U.M.B.

Hugo, I find it funny that you cry like a little boy when insults, or the like, are hurled at you, yet you seem to instigate the actual argument.

Ok we aint stupid. I can see indirect mockery when it happens. Stick to the topic!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

This is rather silly. Muslims over react and riot over drawing a cartoon, so people give muslims something to legitimately react and riot over. Just dumb.

Your comment is even more ridiculously silly! Just because you guys don't give a hoot about your religious figures (oh wait you have none :mmokay, doesn't mean we'll be like you! Go cry in the corner of our over reacting, but we don't take nonsense!

 

[marwen]

I don't see another reason for the Church to do that other than to provoke muslims. And that's too stupid and childish for a church.
So I think it's just a symbolic act to make muslims react. I mean, you can't make the quran disappear from the world just by burning some copies of the quran. We're no more in the middle ages, We're in the 21st century, If you want to eliminate the quran from the world, you have to burn all the quran books in the stores and in the houses, break all the quran CDs, erase the quran files from PCs' hard disks, and delete it from Internet servers, and finally, you should also kill all the people who memorized some quran verses. And I don't think all this is an easy job.

But, that's said, the burning of the quran remains an act of offense to the islamic religion and it's not justifiable.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Subhaan`Allaah

 

[glo]

This is rather silly. Muslims over react and riot over drawing a cartoon, so people give muslims something to legitimately react and riot over. Just dumb.

Your comment is even more ridiculously silly! Just because you guys don't give a hoot about your religious figures (oh wait you have none :mmokay, doesn't mean we'll be like you! Go cry in the corner of our over reacting, but we don't take nonsense!

Hi Light of Heaven

I think you misunderstand what Pygo is saying.

I think he is trying to say that the scandal and offense the Muhammad cartoons caused may have not been easily understood by Westerners, and some non-Muslims may have found the reactions from the Muslim world exaggerated ... BUT everybody from every religion or none can clearly see that the burning of the Qu'ran would be obviously offensive and hurtful!

Therefore, whereas the original Muhammad cartoons may not have been intended to upset and offend, this plan to burn the Qu'ran clearly is!

 

[Woodrow]

Woodrow, do you think the same would apply to scriptures from other non-Abrahamic faiths? For example, Hindu or Buddhist texts and books?
I am aware that the Abrahamic faiths are bestowed a greater respect in Islam than the non-monotheistic religions.

From a historical perspective I am quite certain Muhammad(PBUH) and his companions had contact with Buddhists and Hindus as they had travelled to India and China on the trade caravans. But no place in the Qur'an, Ahadith or Fiqh-ul-Sunnah have I seen any mention we should burn the scriptures of any people. Disagree with them, argue with them, Yes, but never any mention to physically destroy their scriptures.

It makes no sense to burn another person's scriptures, unless somebody tried to force us to have it in our homes, then I could think of several books I would burn if some radical adherent of a wacko sect forced me to take it. But I would never go out of my way or even get a copy by any means for the purpose of burning it. That is my opinion and every Muslim I know in person seems to have the same opinion.

It is stupid to burn another person's scriptures. Who knows even scriptures that we disagree with may have come from what was originally a true revelation and it may still contain some truth and that small flicker of truth could be the spark that leads somebody to the truth. We do know Prophets(PBUT) were sent to all people and while most lost the message, it is possible the scriptures now used by those people could still have a speck of truth init and even that small speck should be enough to keep us from burning it.

Just my thoughts Astagfirullah

 

[glo]

It is stupid to burn another person's scriptures. Who knows even scriptures that we disagree with may have come from what was originally a true revelation and it may still contain some truth and that small flicker of truth could be the spark that leads somebody to the truth. We do know Prophets(PBUT) were sent to all people and while most lost the message, it is possible the scriptures now used by those people could still have a speck of truth init and even that small speck should be enough to keep us from burning it.

Just my thoughts Astagfirullah

I think that's a great way of looking at it.
Thank you fo sharing your thoughts on this, Woodrow.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

Florida Police and Peace loving groups are doing anything ?

 

[glo]

Salaam/Peace

Florida Police and Peace loving groups are doing anything ?

I've been doing some googling, Muslim Woman:

The nation’s largest evangelical body is urging the Florida church behind “International Burn A Quran Day” to cancel its plans.

[...]

Not surprisingly, there has been public outcry against the planned Quran burning event and, in the past, against the “Islam is of the Devil” sign.

The Council on American-Islam Relations, the nation’s largest Muslim advocacy group, plans to counter “International Burn a Quran Day” with a “Share the Quran” dinner on Sept. 11.

Orlando-based Pastor Joel Hunter of Northland, A Church Distributed, who is a member of the NAE Board of Directors, commented, “We have to recognize that fighting fire with fire only builds a bigger fire.”

“Love is the water that will eventually quench the destruction,” he said.

In asking the Gainesville church to call off the event, the NAE, which represents more than 45,000 local churches from over 40 denominations, cited its 1996 resolution on religious persecution. In the resolution, the evangelical body pledged to “address religious persecution carried out by our Christian brothers and sisters whenever this occurs around the world.”

“If people are to fulfill the obligations of conscience, history teaches the urgent need to foster respect and protection for the right of all persons to practice their faith,” the resolution reads.

Muslims worldwide would be “profoundly” offended by the burning of Qurans, just as Christians would be deeply insulted if another faith group burned Bibles, the NAE stressed.

“The most powerful statement by the organizers of the planned September 11th bonfire would be to call it off in the name and love of Jesus Christ,” Anderson urged.

http://www.christianpost.com/articl...-body-urges-cancellation-of-burn-a-quran-day/

 

[Pygoscelis]

Although this is stupid and insensitive it is not illegal. So long as they came by the books they are burning by legal means. It is freedom of expression. I feel the same way about burning the American (or other nation's) flag. I think the best response to these jackasses is the same as the best response to the Fred Phelps' of the world. Ridicule them, marginalize them, and don't give them what they want (an out of proportion reaction proving the stereotype of muslims they push). The WORST reaction would be to have muslims appearing in the media screaming hate right back at these people.

I think it would be cool if some prominent muslims came out in the media and rather than going visceral, shook their head and expressed pitty for these people dismissing these Quran burners as sad deranged souls. Show them that Islam is the cooler head here. It'd totally make their message backfire.

What Glo posted is what I'm talking about, that is the way to go. Show them that these book burners (rather than muslims) are the haters hate is THEM and not the muslims. Their message will backfire and people may actually come to be sympathetic with muslims and some may even convert. This happened post-9/11 when so many were so unfairly visceral against muslims. I know many folks who saw that, sympathized with the muslims and wanted to investigate Islam because of it. One of them is now a muslim (who I debate with regularly).

I know a lot of people on this board don't like it, but the fact is that in the west we are in a religious media war in regards to Islam. Certain people are interested in painting all muslims as rabid terrorists, and many are buying into their message. Events such as this one is an opportunity to shoot back the opposite message.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

.... One of them is now a muslim (who I debate with regularly).

I pray that we will have some good news like that after this hate propagande. But u can't expect that Muslims will stay at home calmly . I won't be surprised if very soon we see some Muslim groups come in to the streets. That's ok but InshaAllah ( God Willing ) they won't attack any chruches.

May God remove the hatred between people of different faiths.

 

[glo]

Although this is stupid and insensitive it is not illegal.

I wonder whether here is the UK this kind of thing might be considered a hate crime.
(I don't know enough about the British law to be sure)

 

[Woodrow]

Salaam/Peace

Florida Police and Peace loving groups are doing anything ?

It does seem the people of Gainesville are getting fed up with Terry Jones and his group of (use word of your choice)

Anti-Islam church sign stirs up community outrage SOURCE

 

[mahma87a]

the day that they are talking about is the second day of the eid
they want to burn our holy book in our holiday

 

[Pygoscelis]

From the link Woodrow posted: "In the future, the message on the sign might change to express the church's beliefs against same-sex marriage or abortion, Jones said. The church also has posted messages on YouTube, he said."

I am not surprised at all by this. This guy may even be affiliated with Fred Phelps. I wonder if this guy will start picketing muslim funerals as Phelps does with funerals of homosexuals.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

(I don't know enough about the British law to be sure)

For some reason i always thought you was british, guesss i was geeky :-\

 

[Danah]

As I always reply to such topics. I will just say the same thing over and over.

Allah said in the Quran:


يُرِيدُونَ لِيُطۡفِـُٔواْ نُورَ ٱللَّهِ بِأَفۡوَٲهِهِمۡ وَٱللَّهُ مُتِمُّ نُورِهِۦ وَلَوۡ ڪَرِهَ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرُونَ


Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light however much the disbelievers are averse.[61:8]

So, they want to:

It will only serve to fan the flames of hatred, enraging even moderate Muslims.

And what they will get?
yeah in one way they will get an angry reaction from Muslims as they planned, but in the other hand they will make more people aware of the existence of Islam and they will show the whole world how much they are afraid of Islam and Muslims because they are in increase. Otherwise, why this huge efforts to ruin the image of Islam??
No one will spend time, money and efforts on something he is not consider as a threat, right?


Just as a side note though: many of the reverts reverted to Islam by such pathetic attempts by Islam haters to ruin the image of Islam.

I do not believe any genuine follower of Islam would burn another faith's scriptures. We may disagree with them and argue against them, but burn them, I do not see ever happening.

Right! because that is one of our beliefs even when we believe that those scriptures are corrupted yet we do respect them.

 

[Darth Ultor]

What the ****?