Israel Fire

[Dagless]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11907871

I found this amazing for 2 reasons:

1) Palestinian firemen are helping put out the blaze. They are better men than me.

2) A fire could get this out of control in a well run country. Most news stories you see these days show that this is not the Israel of 50 years ago. They have US support and military hardware but are incompetent underneath. The defeats against lesser armies, their commando's being disarmed by civilians, bodged military campaigns, disproportionate bombings/weapons, inability to handle a forest fire without US help etc. All these things show weakness.

 

[Woodrow]

To me it makes perfect sense for the Palestinians to help fight the fire. They are protecting what is rightfully their own land and not helping the Israelis. While Israel may be benefiting from their help, the goal most probably is to save the land for it to be fit for when it returns to Palestinian hands.

 

[جوري]

Israelis are probably just using them as front line infantry.. better a Muslim fireman than one of theirs in their quest for ethnic cleansing every which way imaginable!

May Allah swt yizeed alkafereen khousara

ameen

 

[GuestFellow]

Israel has been weak to begin with. Israel is nothing without US and its aid. Though I was surprised that Israel has not been able to handle the fire.

 

[Woodrow]

Israel has been weak to begin with. Israel is nothing without US and its aid. Though I was surprised that Israel has not been able to handle the fire.

:wa:

No surprise. When a country places all of it's money into military forces and containment for suppressing others, there is little left for domestic necessities. Apartheid is a suicidal path as there comes a point when a Nation enforcing it goes bankrupt. You can not mistreat others without neglecting at least some of your own needs.

 

[Ansariyah]

Israelis are probably just using them as front line infantry.. better a Muslim fireman than one of theirs in their quest for ethnic cleansing every which way imaginable!

May Allah swt yizeed alkafereen khousara

ameen

Palestinians have one of the highest birth rates in the world, as homosexuality is rising among jews. They can plot, but Allah promised Palestine victory.

 

[GuestFellow]

^ Israel has foreseen this. I doubt Israel will allow the Palestinian population to grow...

 

[al-Ansari]

Praise be to Allaah. The damage is said to be over 100 million. Is it not ironic how millions can be used for weapons and how Israel can defeat nations who do not have the ability to defend themselves, but they cannot protect themselves against fire.

Praise be to Allaah, azza wa jall. And may he give victory to the Muslims. Aameen.

 

[جوري]

but they cannot protect themselves against fire

They can't protect themselves against Allah swt and they have certainly incurred his wrath insha'Allah

And may he give victory to the Muslims. Aameen.

ameen ya rabb

 

[titus]

Israel has foreseen this. I doubt Israel will allow the Palestinian population to grow...

How so? The Palestinian population has grown dramatically over the last 60 years and it continues. The Israelis have never truly tried to stop that as far as I know.

What exactly do you think Israel has planned to stop the population growth?

Palestinians have one of the highest birth rates in the world, as homosexuality is rising among jews.

So many interesting things to say about this comment, but probably best to just let it lie.

 

[Ramadhan]

How so? The Palestinian population has grown dramatically over the last 60 years and it continues. The Israelis have never truly tried to stop that as far as I know.

What exactly do you think Israel has planned to stop the population growth?

I can think of many ways the israelis have tried to stop palestinian population's growth, among others:

- by confining them into smaller and smaller spaces, encircled by wars and security checks. Concentration camps, anyone?
- by restricting the aid of food and medications to the palestinians areas.

 

[GuestFellow]

How so? The Palestinian population has grown dramatically over the last 60 years and it continues. The Israelis have never truly tried to stop that as far as I know.

What exactly do you think Israel has planned to stop the population growth?

I'm jut speculating. If I was the leader of Israel, I would make sure all threats are dealt with. The Palestinians pose a threat in the long-term, where their population might outnumber the Israelis. It could be possible for the Palestinians to take back the country by force. How Israel will deal with this, I'm not sure. naidamar made very good suggestions.

So many interesting things to say about this comment, but probably best to just let it lie.

There might be homosexuality in the Palestinian community.

 

[Argamemnon]

Erdogan said that sending fire-fighting planes to Israel was a humane and Islamic deed. According to his mindset it's our duty to assist those who are massacring and oppressing Muslims.

 

[جوري]

Erdogan said that sending fire-fighting planes to Israel was a humane and Islamic deed. According to his mindset it's our duty to assist those who are massacring and oppressing Muslims.

It is a duty of a Muslim to do what is just regardless of our own personal feelings:

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يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ كُونُواْ قَوَّامِينَ لِلّهِ شُهَدَاء بِالْقِسْطِ وَلاَ يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ عَلَى أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ اعْدِلُواْ هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَى وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ إِنَّ اللّهَ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ (5:8)
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believe me I know how you feel.. but civilians aren't war casualties .. that is what sets us apart from them!

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[CosmicPathos]

the word israel reminds me of Joos from my class ....

 

[Argamemnon]

It is a duty of a Muslim to do what is just regardless of our own personal feelings:

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يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ كُونُواْ قَوَّامِينَ لِلّهِ شُهَدَاء بِالْقِسْطِ وَلاَ يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ عَلَى أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ اعْدِلُواْ هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَى وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ إِنَّ اللّهَ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ (5:8)
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believe me I know how you feel.. but civilians aren't war casualties .. that is what sets us apart from them!

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True.. and at the same time the Qur'an tells us to be firm against our enemies.

 

[Trumble]

They are protecting what is rightfully their own land and not helping the Israelis. While Israel may be benefiting from their help, the goal most probably is to save the land for it to be fit for when it returns to Palestinian hands.

I doubt very much they have given it a moment's thought in those terms. Surely, Woodrow, with your eventful life you have realized by now that in such circumstances that is frequently just what good people do? If there's a brush fire dangerous to civilians (which include many Palestinian Arabs, remember) firefighters will want to fight it, not worry about whose land it is on.

 

[Woodrow]

I doubt very much they have given it a moment's thought in those terms. Surely, Woodrow, with your eventful life you have realized by now that in such circumstances that is frequently just what good people do? If there's a brush fire dangerous to civilians (which include many Palestinian Arabs, remember) firefighters will want to fight it, not worry about whose land it is on.

You are correct Trumble. I was being too cynical. At times of disaster, people will put aside differences and good people will do what is needed.

I was relating too close to home and on what happens here. I know many Native Americans who would fight a fire on Federal lands as they see it as protecting what is rightfully theirs..Many of the Lakotah I know have intense hatred of the US Government, but they will do what they can to protect the land no matter who occupies it.

 

[Muezzin]

I doubt very much they have given it a moment's thought in those terms. Surely, Woodrow, with your eventful life you have realized by now that in such circumstances that is frequently just what good people do? If there's a brush fire dangerous to civilians (which include many Palestinian Arabs, remember) firefighters will want to fight it, not worry about whose land it is on.

Yeah, but this is an Internet forum. Nothing ever makes sense.

 

[sister herb]

To me it makes perfect sense for the Palestinians to help fight the fire. They are protecting what is rightfully their own land and not helping the Israelis. While Israel may be benefiting from their help, the goal most probably is to save the land for it to be fit for when it returns to Palestinian hands.

That make sense to me too; at the same time, when zionist settlers almost daily set fire or try to set fire olive trees or fields which belongs to Palestinians in the West Bank, israeli occupation forces prevent Palestinian fire-fighters to come to area and extinguisher them. And same happens when those settlers set fire mosques, schools or other properties of Palestinians.

Zionists just don't care land they have stolen from others by same way than people whose know it is their own - in the West Bank zionist also destroy and poison agricultural areas and wells - making life of original inhabitants difficult and forcing them to leave. If it some day will happening, then what those zionists will get? Land they have destroyed and poisoned by themselves.