Cables Obtained by WikiLeaks Shine Light Into Secret Diplomatic Channels

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pls. those wikileaks are nothing but the latest game in a dirty political agenda.. it is funny that what is leaked is nothing more than all the crap they've been parroting all along about Iran, the gulf etc. and this new guy oh the new usama wait let's see if they are going to catch this public enemy number one now..
I can't even call it clever or well contrived.. just a pathetic game of desperate politicians!

good actors.. fear does motivate the masses!
 
It can only leak what it is given. I find it hard to believe the elite would want the documents leaked since a lot of them so far are very detrimental to the West.

Salaam,

Western countries reputation will be damaged and they might lose public support. The latter I suppose it what they wish to avoid.
 
Most of the stuff from the leaks is not going to change the opinion of sheep that are found in the non-Muslim countries. They will still love their country, their politicians etc and remain oblivious. The one hated will be replaced by another charm-obama in next elections, the game is the same ...
 
τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1390227 said:

I can't even call it clever or well contrived.. just a pathetic game of desperate politicians!

Get real... it's hardly a 'pathetic game' (in that sense, anyway) to release lists of the most sensitive security locations, and of NATO plans to defend Eastern European countries from Russia at a time when the US administration is desperately trying to repair ties with Moscow. Sure, the Russians would probably have already known but while it wasn't public they could just quietly ignore it.

The big problem with Wikileaks is that the leaks are only from one source, the US and - frankly - they haven't come out as bad as many were really hoping to see. Yet, anyway. But don't kid yourselves, EVERY country has it's dirty laundry and the only way Wikileaks will ever contribute to 'peace' is if it publishes similar revelations in regard of Russia, China, India, Iran, etc, etc. Let's see EVERYBODY'S little and no so little embarassments and dirty secrets. But of course, that will never happen.. as Dagless said they can only publish what is leaked to them.
 
Salaam


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Julian Assange, editor in chief of WikiLeaks, was arrested Tuesday morning in London on rape charges from Sweden, adding a new wrinkle to the ongoing furor over WikiLeaks' controversial release of hundreds of thousands of US diplomatic cables.
The British Press Association reports that Mr. Assange is expected to appear in court Tuesday after being arrested by Scotland Yard's extradition unit at 9:30 a.m., according to a Metropolitan Police spokesman. The spokesman said that Assange voluntarily came to the London police station, where he was arrested on a European Arrest Warrant from Swedish authorities for "one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape, all alleged to have been committed in August 2010." The Press Association noted that the Metropolitan Police received an arrest warrant last month on the same charges, but the warrant was invalid because it was not properly filled out.
Sky News reports that Assange will probably be released on bail of between £100,000 and £200,000 (between $150,000 and $320,000), though it seems unlikely that Assange would attempt to flee, as he denies all the charges against him.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terr...an-Assange-arrested-in-London-on-rape-charges
 
Get real... it's hardly a 'pathetic game'


what else is it if not a pathetic political game? I marvel at what little thought folks at large give to these contrived and planned war games to play with their lives!
 
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Has wikileaks "shed any light" on past events, including those irrelevant to the topic of "Axis of evil"?

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Then your very naive.

'cause you know , everyone should be honest all the time about everything. esp those politicians ! if they don't like something about a country they should just stand up and say so ! do i sound less naive now?
 
'cause you know , everyone should be honest all the time about everything. esp those politicians ! if they don't like something about a country they should just stand up and say so ! do i sound less naive now?

I still think your naive.
 
I still think your naive.

but why?
don't tell me you subscribe to the unethical view that people should keep secrets sometimes if they feel they have a good reason to or if there is no reason to share the otherwise secret information? that makes absolutely no sense.
 
Salaam

Ok final video that gives a different view to the villification of wikileaks by certain sections of the mainstream media. Promise this will be lat video Ill post on this topic :P

Ill write more about it next week, this whole wikileaks cable episode has really caused a storm :omg:

 
Salaam

got this mail today:

Stop the crackdown

The massive campaign of intimidation against WikiLeaks is sending a chill through free press advocates everywhere.

Legal experts say WikiLeaks has likely broken no laws. Yet top US politicians have called it a terrorist group and commentators have urged assassination of its staff. The organization has come under massive government and corporate attack, but WikiLeaks is only publishing information provided by a whistleblower. And it has partnered with the world's leading newspapers (NYT, Guardian, Spiegel etc) to carefully vet the information it publishes.

The massive extra-judicial intimidation of WikiLeaks is an attack on democracy. We urgently need a public outcry for freedom of the press and expression. Sign the petition to stop the crackdown and forward this email to everyone -- let's get to 1 million voices and take out full page ads in US newspapers this week!

http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition/?vl
 
Salaam

got this mail today:

Stop the crackdown

The massive campaign of intimidation against WikiLeaks is sending a chill through free press advocates everywhere.

Legal experts say WikiLeaks has likely broken no laws. Yet top US politicians have called it a terrorist group and commentators have urged assassination of its staff. The organization has come under massive government and corporate attack, but WikiLeaks is only publishing information provided by a whistleblower. And it has partnered with the world's leading newspapers (NYT, Guardian, Spiegel etc) to carefully vet the information it publishes.

The massive extra-judicial intimidation of WikiLeaks is an attack on democracy. We urgently need a public outcry for freedom of the press and expression. Sign the petition to stop the crackdown and forward this email to everyone -- let's get to 1 million voices and take out full page ads in US newspapers this week!

http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition/?vl

It's a good message to spread but I don't think governments take much notice of online petitions. Another way would be to urge people to seed the information on there. That would delivery a bigger message than any online petition.
 
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Salaam

Should be of interest

Bolivian President Evo Morales at Cancún Climate Summit: WikiLeaks Cables Reveal "Diplomacy of Empire"


AMY GOODMAN:

I’m Amy Goodman from Democracy Now! in the United States. A State Department cable was recently leaked by WikiLeaks that quotes a top White House official saying that countries like Bolivia and Ecuador and others need to be neutralized, co-opted or marginalized. I wanted to get your comment on this, on the fact that the U.S. cut off funding for Bolivia after you refused to sign the Copenhagen Accord, and where you think the Cancún accord is going and needs to go.

PRESIDENT EVO MORALES:

[translated] Well, the topic of WikiLeak, the WikiLeak documents, WikiLeaks, we realize how espionage from the U.S. government takes place, before Obama and after Obama. Happily, we are not sorry, because there is a stop to this type of imposition—espionage, threats, intimidation—trying to break up the economies and the policies and also our identities. Happily and timely, we announce this constantly. I am happy to have started to provide dignity to the people of Bolivia, men and women.

In the fourth conference of the defense minister of America, where the Secretary of Defense of the U.S. was present in Santa Cruz last month, I decided two things. It’s Evo’s knee or the dignity of the people. I prefer the dignity of the people than Evo’s knee, to tell you the truth. And after that comes this information from WikiLeaks confirming everything that we denounced before that, that’s the diplomacy of the empire. They try to shut down, to persuade, by using some presidents from Latin America. I am certain that they have an intention, and their intention is to generate lack of trust—Evo with Cristina, Evo with Chávez, or Evo with Correa. At this time, we are no longer children, and we are not small. That will not generate any lack of trust. That will not generate any confrontation between presidents. I respect and admire Cristina, the president of Argentina, as well as our colleague Chávez, Correa, Lula.

They said that they had—he had a tumor on the nose because he had a problem in the nose, but not a tumor. I reached the conclusion that the intelligence agents from the U.S. lack intelligence. And they speak foolishness that I have a tumor. They want to cause damage. They won’t be able to do it. But these type of operations will continue, of course, although we have started to provide dignity to the people of Bolivia, men and women, no matter the fact that we are a country that is labeled as underdeveloped or developing, well above whatever our economic, cultural situation is. Above all of that, there’s our dignity.

And I’m not sorry for having expelled the U.S. ambassador at the time when we expelled the U.S. ambassador. Since then, there’s no conspiracy against democracy. There’s no more attempts of coup d’état. What our journalist friends have to know is that wherever the U.S. government has monopolic interests through their ambassadors, there’s no guarantee neither of democracy, there’s no guarantee for development, there’s no guarantee of the integration of peoples. Whether Obama accepts it or not, with the U.S., with the American empire, we are three to one, if we talk about democracy. We must recognize, with the coup d’état in Honduras, Obama beat us. But the empire has lost in Venezuela, in Bolivia and in Ecuador with their attempted coups d’état. That the Latin American people is beating the empire three to one goals, that’s good. They will always—we’ll always have one goal against us, but that’s the U.S.

And then WikiLeak is mentioned [inaudible]. They can do it; it’s their right. If we were not in government, we would also be organized to permanently fight against capitalism, neoliberalism, against colonialism. That’s our right that we have. But they are not even able to control their intelligence, their forms of control or their forms of espionage. I believe that even in that situation, the U.S. is decadent.

Rest here

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/10/bolivian_president_evo_morales_on_wikileaks
 
Well, i think it's safe to say WikiLeaks isn't going anywhere as:
"Wikileaks is currently mirrored on 2194 sites (updated 2010-12-15 15:56 GMT)"

I highly doubt WikiLeaks was planned by any western government, or any government at all. Whoever said that "if it was real there would be information about 9/11 being an inside job" or w/e: No, there wouldn't be. The US Government, while being highly corrupt and at times downright messed up, would NOT have done something to that scale. The US is more into retaliation as opposed to instigation. The retaliation is often disproportionate, but US Govt. instigation is never done to such as scale. Also, if it were ever legitimately found out (which it would be, there's no way it could stay secret) that the US DID do 9/11, many heads would be rolling, including Mr Bush's. He doesn't want that, trust me.
 
The US Government, while being highly corrupt and at times downright messed up, would NOT have done something to that scale. The US is more into retaliation as opposed to instigation.

So not true.
Case in point: Iraq
 
true, actually.
Iraq was viewed as and presented in the US as retaliation, however off that may be.
 

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