i may know of islam more than you do friendI find this rather contradictory.
you claim refuse to follow blindly, but yet from what's written by you, I am not convinced that you have learnt much about Islam.
One can only be said "not following blindly" if they have learnt all the facts.
But if they are ignorant but refusing to learn and insisting on using their desire without knowledge, then I am afraid that person is "following blindly". In this case following blindly their own mind with limited knowledge.
unfortunatly yes ... like i said in the reply above to another personDo you personally feel Allaah(swt) has ever treated you unfairly?
unfortunatly yes ... like i said in the reply above to another person
i work 12 hours a day .. 6 days a week .. sometimes 7 days
just enough to get simplest things i need and want
people get born rich without working for a thing
it's rough being buried in work for such long hours at young age and not being able to enjoy little in life
and seeing others do .. not coz they earned it ... just coz they were choosed or prefered by allah
i meet alot of rich people in my job they some times bring their sons which nearly in my age
they speak of travel and fun and stuff bla bla bla
while me just buried in work for the unworthy pay at the end of the week
this alone could create a hatred for the one behind it
none of us worked before they were born did we ?
then how come there's high and low ?
and why should i be on the low end of things while actually working hard
and why some spoiled kid should be on the high end of things without working day in their life ?
life is unfair people say .. but none Ever said god is unfair
but life isn't a logical being or got character or intellegence... allah does
and it was allah who created this life and every thing on it .. bad or good
so it's allah's actions that requires explaination to be understood
i get told yeah you'll get better than them in the afterlife ect ect ect
what if i stopped believe due to this situation Before reaching the after life
will i be in hell then ? for simply having a doubt about allah which he never answered
and the spoiled rich kid who also believed in god but due to his good situation in his life
he didn't even thought of asking such question neither had doubts
he'll go to heaven ?
you see .. life is just passway to the after life .. but our actions decide wheather hell or heaven we go to
and with enough pressures in life person could have enough at some point
i may know of islam more than you do friend
it's my religion from birth .. and got a very religious father we go in this debate dozen times of week
my sister attained the rank of " داعية اسلام "
so i know what am talking about when it comes to islam
but even with such rank she never been able to convice me or give any answer for those questions
most people answer with spiritual evidences and answers
what i want is logic explaintion not spiritual relief
i know all facts of islam ... thing you might never heard of considering my main language is arabic
and at school at young age i been taught alot of islam in school
as soon as i grew up to 16 nothing made sense anymore and nothing seemed right
and 6 years have past and still i think nothing improved wrong still wrong
following blindly is not being able to explain something and accept it as " god never does wrong "
i don't know if he does wrong or not ... but to believe so the mind must be convinced
we see alot of wrong doing and injustice during our daily life
yeah well i work 12 hours a day for simple things i need and want " am on 3 days vacation " yay
a kid next door with rich father don't work at all and got car i can't even dream of
none of us actually worked in their mother's womb to get more than others
yet we weren't all born equal ...
a rich person wouldn't never say why am rich and why that man poor
but a poor person would ask such question naturally
and when allah don't provide the answer the man eiather follow blindly .. or simply don't follow allah
there's other option is to keep searching for some kind of explaintion .. but the search will fail
as you can see
i tried talking to alot of people about it and none seem to have the answer
only allah has it ... it's matter of giving it .. or not giving it
a king tells you he's good and fair and just and ect ect ect
but in his actions you don't see any of those things he claim .. i simply wouldn't follow that king
he got his own reasons to do what he does ? perhaps
but since i don't know his reason i am right not to follow till those reasons are cleared
as much as i hate to say it but you're right
it seems like there's no answer
and by treated unfairly i don't only talk of my self even others
i walk the streets and find a homeless woman at the corner of the street and it's winter cold as hell
walk alittle more and find a guy with fancy car drinking with his gf sitting next to him
when the beggar lady approach him for little money he get the eww look on his face and drives away
this is example of one thing i saw
there's many things are wrose
I agree you know more about Islam than I do and very possibly more than I will ever know. But it may be I have more experience than you in the realm of logic and self-determination. Over 60 years of my life was in the secular realm and often ruled by a life based upon logic and logical explanations and answers. I no longer want or desire logical explanations, as I pass through what are most certainly my twilight years I need the respite and knowledge of spiritual relief. It is all that is of importance to me in these last years.
I know a lot about neuro surgery, I would imagine considerably more than the average general practitioner doctor. But I doubt if that qualifies me to be a brain surgeon.
We see what we believe to be wrong doing and injustice.
A child may see what appears to be an evil man cutting holes in a child with a sharp knife. the same man gives another child a candy bar and a smile. Does it seem the man is fair to both children? what if you discover the man is a doctor and he is saving the life of the first child who has a ruptured appendix and soothing the other child who is the first child's scared sister?
I retired from active employment over 20 years ago as the result of a disability. I only wish I could return to working 12 hours a day, I would gladly work for free. You have indeed been given a great gift by being able to work 12 hours per day.
Searching only fails when a person closes his mind to searching in the right place. One can not find a head of lettuce if he keeps looking for it in the bottom of a fish pond.
would you recognize the answer if you saw it?
A king is a human, he lives under the same rules as you. You can judge if a king is just but not if God is just. You cannot know God's reasoning since you do not have the information or intellect to comprehend it. By definition everything God does is just.
It is like the story where Al-Khidr does things which appear bad and unjust and Moses (pbuh) keeps asking him how he can do such awful things. Later Al-Khidr explains his knowledge and why those things were actually just. Since Allah has ALL knowledge, who do you think is best to judge what is just? Him? or you?
Justice doesn't all happen in life, it is balanced out after death. The rich guy you see having an easy life will have to explain why he didn't use his money and time responsibly whereas someone working 12 hours a day for the basics probably won't. Btw the Quran tells us we are all tested so the guy will have his own trials at some time.
Many people suffer and always ask why me. The answer has been given by Allah but we find it difficult to accept. Just because you like something it doesn't make it good for you.
yes it was mere example and finally .. you said it your self
moses questioned every thing Al-khider did ... and at the end moses even refused to follow alkhider and required an explantion and by all means that was a holy prophet ... am mere normal human
how can i not question ?
moses questioned out of human logical thinking
the same questions i made outta of logical thinking
in my opinion it's wrong not to question .. even the acts of allah
person should understand logically before following
A king is a human, he lives under the same rules as you. You can judge if a king is just but not if God is just. You cannot know God's reasoning since you do not have the information or intellect to comprehend it. By definition everything God does is just.
It is like the story where Al-Khidr does things which appear bad and unjust and Moses (pbuh) keeps asking him how he can do such awful things. Later Al-Khidr explains his knowledge and why those things were actually just. Since Allah has ALL knowledge, who do you think is best to judge what is just? Him? or you?
Justice doesn't all happen in life, it is balanced out after death. The rich guy you see having an easy life will have to explain why he didn't use his money and time responsibly whereas someone working 12 hours a day for the basics probably won't. Btw the Quran tells us we are all tested so the guy will have his own trials at some time.
Many people suffer and always ask why me. The answer has been given by Allah but we find it difficult to accept. Just because you like something it doesn't make it good for you.
yes another human being ... but to me .. to truely believe in allah i need to question and have explaintion of his acts .. in my own view there's nothing wrong with questioning .. even allahHe questioned another human, he did not question God. Prophets had their fair share of suffering too.
The story should give you faith because Al-Khidr only had knowledge which Allah gave him, therefore it should sink in that if Allah's knowledge is all knowledge then surely He knows what is justice better than you. You are questioning something while looking at one pixel on a monitor, you cannot possibly know what is on the whole screen, whereas Allah not only knows but created it.
first of all sorry the i know more than you thing wasn't meant for you
it was meant for a person who said i don't know much of islam ... maybe i made mistake while replying i don't know but eiatherw ways it wasn't for you sorry again
i already agreed that a person older than me would have more experinces than me
but i'd have to experince for my self to believe ... you also had to didn't you ?
you just mentioned it .. we see what we believe wrong and injustice
it could happen for reason we as human being and limited with thinking could not know
which results that we are right to think it's wrong and injustice " according to our knowledge "
a judge at the court judge by what he knows and see .. not of what he don't
that pretty much explains the child example you brought
and i am gifted with the ability to work with strong body and all yes
but to what purpose ? if working all am doing and not enjoying life at all
then working is meaningless
it's not a gift it's rather a curse .. to work so much for so little
and not even be able to enjoy the so little you worked hard for
and am still searching aren't i ? even though am desperate enough to search on internet now .. but it's still searching
asking people of islam in life i ceased it .. coz it ends badly
eiather with the opposite side runs out of idea and start mocking my intellgence
or simply giving up and saying . may allah enlighten your spirit
there's no shame with questioning in my opinion .. even questioning allah's actions
for if we do not question and use the brain he given us then we don't fully understand and believe in allah
thanks man ..
and it's good for you to work at old age to keep shape
as soon you let age take the best of you .. you can no longer rise out of bed so working is good
but it's not good for a young guy to work alot of time
those simple things you mentioned aren't avilable to someone like me
working 12 hours in tiring job leaves you bearly enough time to go home wash eat sleep
wakes up wash and dress and go to work .. that's it
enjoying life i mean by going out and do stuff including the ones you mentioned
but being stuck at work for long late hours prevent that .. and without job there's money to make living
so it's tough break
thanks man ..
and it's good for you to work at old age to keep shape
as soon you let age take the best of you .. you can no longer rise out of bed so working is good
but it's not good for a young guy to work alot of time
those simple things you mentioned aren't avilable to someone like me
working 12 hours in tiring job leaves you bearly enough time to go home wash eat sleep
wakes up wash and dress and go to work .. that's it
enjoying life i mean by going out and do stuff including the ones you mentioned
but being stuck at work for long late hours prevent that .. and without job there's money to make living
so it's tough break
If this was true, then Abu Lahab would have been a Muslim and would have thanked Allah. Firown would have converted and been appreciative of Allah's blessings upon him. Qaroon would have been thankful. Yet none of these people were despite all that Allah gave them.answer 1 : the life is only one part of human existence
there's the afterlife where god would give those who weren't given in life
dismissed for : it's eaiser to thank god by rich person with happy life
than to have patience of person with bad life
It's not flawed. The problem is you are not thinking this matter through to it's fullest extent.answer 4 " my favorite " : allah got reason behind his acts which are reason a human beings with their limited thinking can't know them
dismissed for : the reason it's my favorite answer coz it's the closest to be true .. but alas also flawed
suppose allah really did has reason to do what he does .. a reason we cannot understand because
we were created in a way which we weren't meant to understand allah's acts
so when we see god's acts as wrong .. they got reason behind them
but since we are human beings and can't see those reasons .. it's stupid to consider those reasons without knowing them .. because allah and islam encourage us to use our brain
not to shove it in the dark and follow blindly
and when we use our brain .. we come out with questions that got no answers
Yes, tests are harder for some people. Allah has told us he tests more severely those who are beloved to him.answer 5 : world is a test
dismissed for : the test vary from people to other .. some tests are eaiser and some tests are harder ... again there's no fairness in that those who fail at hard test are wronged compared to those who success at simple tests
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