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Peace,

I'm not someone to judge on this matter regarding Christian or Jews and what their status in the afterlife will be. I am sure there's punishment for giving partners to God, which is probably the most important aspect of Islam, that God is but One. Regarding the translation, I don't see where it says were ...

Yusuf Ali:
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Zohurul Hoque:
Surely as to those who believe, and those who Judaize, and the Christians, and the Sabians- whoever believes in Allah and the Future Day, and does good,- for such, then, their reward is in the presence of their Rabb; and there is no fear on them, nor will they grieve.
T. J. Irving:
Those who believe and those who are Jews, Christians and Sabeans, [in fact] anyone who believes in God and the Last Day, and acts honorably will receive their earnings from their Lord: no fear will lie upon them nor need they feel saddened.
T.U. Hilali-M. Khan:
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allâh and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
M. Pickthall:
Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
M.H. Shakir:
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the f Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

Maybe the Saheeh International version is wrong then.

But it definitely says: "Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."


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http://quran.com/2
 
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From Tafsir Ma'ariful Qur'an:

Surely, those who believed in Allah, and those who became Jewish, and Christians, and the Sabeans — whosoever believes in Allah and in the Last Day, and does good deeds - for them, with their Lord, is their reward, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. (Surah Al-Baqarah, Verse 62)​

The previous verse spoke of how the Israelites drew upon themselves the wrath of Allah through their habitual insolence and disobedience. Now, this account may lead the listeners, or the Jews themselves, to suppose that, in view of such transgression, their Taubah (repentance), if they agree to offer it, would not be acceptable to Allah. In order to dispel such a misgiving, the present verse lays down a general principle: no matter how a man has been behaving earlier, so long as he submits himself fully to the commandments of Allah in his beliefs and in his deeds both, he is acceptable to Allah, and will get his reward. It is obvious enough that after the revelation of the Holy Qur'an, which is the last message of Allah, perfect obedience to Allah can only mean accepting Islam and following the Last Prophet Muhammad :saws1: [see footnote].

The verse, in effect, assures everyone that once a man has accepted Islam, all his former transgressions, whether in the matter of beliefs or in that of deeds, will be forgiven, and he will become worthy of receiving the rewards of the other world.
Let us note, in passing, that nothing is definitely known as to the beliefs and the practices of the Sabeans, and different opinions have been expressed on the subject. (Most probably they used to worship the stars).

One might also ask why the verse mentions the Muslims, for if it is an invitation to Islam, there is no need to extend the invitation to those who have already accepted Islam. But if we keep in mind the richly concentrated style of the Holy Qur'an, and try to look beyond the literal sense of the words into the implications and suggestions contained in the verse, we would find that the inclusion of the Muslim factor has added a new dimension to the meaning. It is as if a king should, in a similar situation, say that his laws are impartially applicable to all his subjects, and that whosoever obeys them shall receive his reward for obedience irrespective of whether he has earlier been a friend or a foe. Obviously, the friend has always been loyal and obedient, and the warning and the promise have really been addressed to the foe. But the suggestion contained in such a formulation is that the favours of the king do not proceed from any personal attachment to the friends, but depend on the quality of obedience and loyalty, and hence the foes too will become worthy of his favours if they acquire the necessary quality. This is the raison d'etre of mentioning the Muslims along with the non-Muslims in this verse, which should never be taken to imply that salvation can be attained without accepting Islam.

We had better dispel another misunderstanding which is likely to arise from the wordings of the present verse — and, which is actually being promoted by certain 'modernizers'. The verse mentions only two articles of faith of the Islamic creed — faith in Allah and faith in the Day of Judgment. This should not be taken to mean that in order to attain salvation it is enough to have faith only in Allah and in the Day of Judgment. For, the Holy Qur'an repeatedly declares that he who does not believe in the prophets, in angels and in the Books of Allah is not a Muslim. Faith in Allah is the first article in the Islamic creed, while faith in the Day of Judgment is the last. By mentioning only these two, the verse intends to say in a succinct manner that it is necessary to have faith in all the articles of the creed, from the first to the last. Moreover, it is through the prophets and the Books of Allah alone that man can acquire any knowledge of the essence and the attributes of Allah and of what is to happen on the Day of Judgment, while the Books of Allah are revealed to the prophets through an angel. So, it is not possible to have faith in Allah and the Day of Judgment until and unless one has faith in the angels, in the Books of Allah and in the prophets.

Footnote:
[1] Contrary to the flaccid fancies of some "modernizers" who are very happy with themselves over their "liberalism" and "tolerance", the present verse does not open the way to salvation for each and every "man of good will" irrespective of the creed he follows. If one reads the verse in its proper context and along with other relevant verses of the Holy Qur'an, one will easily see that the verse, in fact, promises salvation in the other world only to those who accept Islam. It is an invitation to Islam extended to the Jews, the Christians, the Sabeans and, as a matter of fact, to the followers of all possible religions, and even to non-believers --specific names only serve as examples.


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From Tafsir Ibn Kathir:


The Meaning of Mu'min, or Believer

`Ali bin Abi Talhah narrated from Ibn `Abbas, about,
[إِنَّ الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَالَّذِينَ هَادُواْ وَالنَّصَـرَى وَالصَّـبِئِينَ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ]

(Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day)
that Allah revealed the following Ayah afterwards,
[وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلَـمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِى الاٌّخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَـسِرِينَ ]

(And whoever seeks religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers) (3:85).

This statement by Ibn `Abbas RadhiyAllahu 'Anh indicates that Allah does not accept any deed or work from anyone, unless it conforms to the Law of Muhammad :saws1: that is, after Allah sent Muhammad :saws1:. Before that, every person who followed the guidance of his own Prophet was on the correct path, following the correct guidance and was saved.
 
Maybe the Saheeh International version is wrong then.

But it definitely says: "Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."


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The Saheeh International is not a "word-for-word" literal translation, rather it is interpreting the meaning of the Quran, in light of other verses of the Quraan as well as the Authentic Hadeeth.

Every sect has their own interpretation of the Quran, but the Ahlul Hadeeth (followers of Hadeeth) always interpret the Quraan in light of the Hadeeth (sayings of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم). That is why the translation says "those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans".

However, after the advent of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم, Jews, Christians or Sabeans can only be given salvation and entry into Heaven by believing in his message and following his Sunnah (way). The ways and divine laws of all previous prophets have been abrogated, and superseded by the revelation sent down to the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم.
 
Furthermore, the verse should not be construed to mean that all Jews, Christians, and Sabeans who came before were granted salvation, because three conditions are made, 1) that they believe in Allaah, and 2) believed in the Last Day, and 3) did good deeds.

By believing in Allaah means believing in Him alone, not setting up partners with him. Therefore, those Jews and Christians who violated their belief in Allaah by worshiping idols, such as the golden calf, or the Christians who believed Jesus عليه السلام to be Allaah, are not to be included.
 
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From Tafsir Ibn Kathir:


The Meaning of Mu'min, or Believer

`Ali bin Abi Talhah narrated from Ibn `Abbas, about,
[إِنَّ الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَالَّذِينَ هَادُواْ وَالنَّصَـرَى وَالصَّـبِئِينَ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ]

(Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day)
that Allah revealed the following Ayah afterwards,
[وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلَـمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِى الاٌّخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَـسِرِينَ ]

(And whoever seeks religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers) (3:85).

This statement by Ibn `Abbas RadhiyAllahu 'Anh indicates that Allah does not accept any deed or work from anyone, unless it conforms to the Law of Muhammad :saws1: that is, after Allah sent Muhammad :saws1:. Before that, every person who followed the guidance of his own Prophet was on the correct path, following the correct guidance and was saved.

Do not some Muslim authorities say that Surah 2:62 has been abrogated by Surah 3:85 and Surah 9:5? Perhaps that would settle this question.
 
I am not sure where I read this but I came across a Muslim teaching that those who say there is no god but God are not eternally ****ed.
 
I am not sure where I read this but I came across a Muslim teaching that those who say there is no god but God are not eternally ****ed.

At the end of the day it's up to Allah. It depends on the person's intentions and their access to information. If someone is sincere in finding Allah but is presented with incorrect information and thus reaches the conclusion that God does not exist. They can't really be blamed for it and Allah may have mercy on them. So Allah knows best at the end of the day. None us can claim all non-muslims will go to hell. As some will go to heaven by Allah's mercy.
 
Furthermore, the verse should not be construed to mean that all Jews, Christians, and Sabeans who came before were granted salvation, because three conditions are made, 1) that they believe in Allaah, and 2) believed in the Last Day, and 3) did good deeds.

By believing in Allaah means believing in Him alone, not setting up partners with him. Therefore, those Jews and Christians who violated their belief in Allaah by worshiping idols, such as the golden calf, or the Christians who believed Jesus عليه السلام to be Allaah, are not to be included.

In my post #45 to AabiruSabeel I asked if Surah 2:62 had been abrogated. But if we can say for certain that no Islamic authority has ever said that the verse has been abrogated then here is another thought.

Surah 9:29 shows that if Jews and Christians acknowledged the superiority of Islam by paying the jizyah tax then they were allowed to keep their religion. Why? Surely this shows that Christians and Jews were to some degree accepted, or at least tolerated, under Islamic supervision. Does that not also then show that Jews and Christians are to some degree acceptable to Allah according to Islamic theology?
 
I don't think there is any sane person on this earth who realises Islam is true but rejects it. Anyone who rejects Islam knowing it is true is insane (this is a fact, it's like someone rejecting 2+2=4). So, I think the explanation of "Only people who knowingly reject Islam will go to hell forever," is nonsense. So, you're telling me Allah will torture madmen for all eternity? What would be the point of that?

There are many people who reject islam after realizing it is true for different reasons. some reject it because of family relations, some because of worldy goods, money or status, etc. & some because of pride. This is a known fact. Pharoah knew that Prophet Moses was really the prophet of God but he still rejected him. People at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) rejected him either because they didn't want to give up worldly goods that they n\knew they would have to give up, or because the Prophet (SAW) was from a different tribe. Abu Jahl once said that because the Prophet (SAW) was from the Quraish tribe, that he would never believe in him. (Abu Jahl said that everything the quraish did, Abu Jahl's tribe also did, but now a prophet was raised among the Quraish and that since one couldn't be raised from Abu Jahl's tribe, therefore Abu Jahl would never believe.)

Even today many people know that Islam is the truth but don't believe in it. There are some muslims as well who knowingly reject some commands of Islam although they know what the punishment is for rejecting them.

so it is true that people knowingly reject islam after realizing it is true.
 
Doesn't even the Qur'an say that the righteous will inherit the earth (Surah 21:105)?

Its referring to the believers that God has decreed in the Psalm that His righteous servants shall inherit the earth, this mean that those who oppose God and His servants will be the losers, God will make His servants inherit the earth and make them the rulers such as Muhammad (PBUH).

One more word on this question if I am allowed to.

Surah 39:73-74 calls this inherited earth "Paradise". Isn't this where you expect to dwell forever? The quoted Psalm 37:29 says that the righteous would inherit the earth and dwell in it forever.
 
I have just noticed this: my version of the Qur’an by Al-Hilali and Khan has this footnote to Surah 2:62:

This Verse (and Verse 5:69), mentioned in the Qur’an should not be misinterpreted by the reader as mentioned by Ibn Abbas (Tafsir At-Tabari) that the provision of this Verse was abrogated by the Verse 3:85: “And whosoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter, he will be one of the losers.”


If Surah 2:62 has been abrogated (I wondered if it had) why is everyone so concerned about what it means? It has been cancelled. End of discussion, right?
 
Assalaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

There is no sin that cannot be forgiven after repentance. However, we cannot know whether the sin will be forgiven or not. Allah might or might not forgive the sin after repentance. The repentance should have the conditions of veniality. Allah promises that he will accept the repentance if it is done properly.

As for the sins that are not repented, associating partners to Allah (shirk) will never be forgiven. The sins other than shirk can be forgiven.

Some of the major sins are as follows: to associate partners with Allah, to kill somebody, to slander someone that he/she has fornicated, to commit fornication, to escape from Islamic jihad, to cast a spell, to spend an orphan’s money on one’s own needs, to disobey one’s parents, to commit a sin in the haram region of Makkah, to get and spend interest or usury, to steal, to drink alcohol, to gamble. If a Muslim commits a major sin, he is not regarded to have exited Islam as a believer unless he despises or ignores it. Ahl as-Sunnah scholars hold the view that a Muslim who commits a major sin will not exit Islam and he will not stay in Hell forever; they say that even if a Muslim dies without repenting, Allah will forgive him out of His generosity; and that if He wishes, He will torture him in Hell due to His justice (Sharhu Aqidati't-Tahawiyya p. 370).

The greatest major sin is not to accept Allah and to associate partners with Him in terms of His personality, attributes and deeds. It is called the greatest major sin. "Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with him; but He forgiveth anything, else to whom He pleaseth" (an-Nisa, 4/48). It is not permissible to despair of the mercy of Allah and to continue committing sins or to commit sins without repenting and without being afraid of His torture. No matter how many sins a believer commits, he should be between fear and hope and he should not turn away from his Lord. "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful “(az-Zumar, 39/53) ”(Tell My servants) that My Penalty will be indeed the most grievous Penalty" (al-Hijr, I5/50).
Some Muslims may enter heaven after a punishment in hell, if their sins are superior than virtues.Allahu a'lim!
 
Are non-Muslims condemned to Hell even if they did good and seem to have been genuinely pious?

Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani


Are non-Muslims condemned to Hell even if they did good and seem to have been genuinely pious?



In the Name of Allah, Most Merciful and Compassionate

May Allah's peace and blessings be upon His Messenger Muhammad, his folk, companions, and followers

Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

I pray that this finds you well, and in the best of health and spirits. May Allah grant you all good and success in this life and the next. Please keep me in your duas.

Allah Most High tells us in the Qur'an,

"Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam will never have it accepted from him, and shall be of those who have truly failed in the next life." (Qur'an 3:85)

This is conditioned by His words,

"We do not punish until We send a Messenger." (Qur'an 17:15)

Shaykh Adib Kallas, a leading Damascene scholar and theologian, put it very well:

"We know that those who reject faith (man aba) are in Hell. It is not decisively established what exactly entails rejection of faith -- this is why the scholars of Sunni Islam differed. As for the details, we should concern ourselves with our own fate: Allah will ask us about ourselves, not about what He should do with others."



Ultimately, if (a) the message of Islam reached someone; and (b) they rejected it, then the verses and hadiths about being eternally in Hell would apply. At the level of individuals, it is a major question as to what reaching and rejecting entail. This is why we cannot judge whether individual non-Muslims are in Hell -- or, for that matter, in Heaven.



Rather, we consign their affair to Allah the Merciful and Just, while affirming the above.
 
AlHamdulillah dear brothers and sisters, I have been looking into this issue for quite some time now and I think i just might be able to give you all a rather definitive view as to the stance of mainstream Islam on it.

basically from what i have seen, mainstream Islam [sunni Islam whcih is adhered to by about 85-90 % of the Muslims] has two strong views on it, but what the Scholars say is that out of such theological views only one can turn out to be correct on the Day of Judgement, unlike the views on jurisrudence which allows all differences of opinions within the boundaries of Islam to be correct for their adherants, so regarding these two views, we can only wait to see which of them will be correct

one view as stated by many here, is that only those who have reached the message of Islam and theirafter who die as non-muslims will die as the rejectors of faith that will remain in hell for all eternity and thsoe who have not been reached by the message are iether excused or will be put to a test on the day of judgement; this is the Ashari view; one of the two creedal schools whcih maeks up mainstream islam

The other school; Maturidi say basically the same as the above view but also say that out of those who have not been reached by the message, only the monothiests [i.e those who believe in Allah without partners] out of them will be saved, for monothiesm is reachable by intellect alone

thus since their are these two somewhat different views regarding this issue. I think the most cautious approach is to try our best to save all non-Muslims [and ourselves ofcourse!] as they could all be heading for an eternity to hell if they should die without being Muslims, as this fatwa shows:


Q. regarding a hanafi choosing an aqeeda; maturidi or ashari? he wants to choose ashari as non muslims will enter paradise; this the question

and the answer given to this is

As-salaamu Alaykum

I first would like to correct you in saying that the Ash'ari school of
thought does not say that the nonMuslims will go to Jannah. But it
says that it is possible for Allah to send them to Jannah (which means
going against His Word that he will never forgive them). The Maturidi
school of though says that it is not possible for not muslims to go to
Jannah as that would entail Allah going against His Word and this is
not possible.

At the end of the entire arguement both schools of thought concede
that the nonMuslims will never enter paradise. There is a third
opinion amongst the scholars that Allah will not allow the nonMuslims
to enter Jannah but He through His mercy will end their torment by
erasing their existance. This view however is extremely weak as in the
Qur'an the words Daaiman Abadan have been used for their staying in
Hell also (Surah Jinn).

Ultimately it would not make a difference in what your friend would
want to believe as the Qur'an is the final word on this. My sincere
hope is that his family accepts Islam and thus save themselves from
Hell. My only advice is that he continues to make effort in showing
them that Islam is the true religion. If Allah wills they will accept.

MAy Allah guide us all.

Was-salaam

Mufti Ebrahim Moosa



Now here are some evidences of both views:

Would Allah put someone in the hellfire merely for worshipping in another religion besides Islam? This question is answered by traditional Islam according to two possibilities:


(1) There are some peoples who have not been reached by the message of the Prophet of Islam (Allah bless him and give him peace) that we must worship the One God alone, associating nothing else with Him. Such people are innocent, and will not be punished no matter what they do. Allah says in surat al-Isra',
"We do not punish until We send a Messenger" (Qur'an 17:15).
These include, for example, Christians and others who lived in the period after the spread of the myth of Jesus godhood, until the time of the prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace), who renewed the call to pure monotheism.


The great Muslim scholar, Imam Ghazali, includes in this category those who have only been reached with a distorted picture of the Messenger of Islam (Allah bless him and give him peace), presumably including many people in the West today who know nothing about Allah's religion but newspaper stories about Ayatollahs and mad Muslim bombers. Is it within such people's capacity to believe? In Ghazali's view, such people are excused until after they have had an opportunity to learn the undistorted truth about Islam (Ghazali: "Faysal al-tafriqa," Majmu'a rasa'il al-Imam al-Ghazali, 3.96). This of course does not alter our own obligation as Muslims to reach them with the da'wa.

(2) A second group of people consists of those who turn away from God's divine message of Islam, rejecting the command to make their worship God's alone; whether because of blindly imitating the religion of their ancestors, or for some other reason. These are people to whom God has sent a prophetic messenger and reached with His message, and to whom He has given hearing and an intellect with which to grasp it but after all this, persist in associating others with Allah, either by actually worshipping another, or by rejecting the laws brought by His messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace), which associates their own customs with His prerogative to be worshipped as He directs. Such people have violated God's rights, and have accepted to go to hell, which is precisely what His messengers have warned them of, so they have no excuse:
"Truly, Allah does not forgive that any be associated with Him; but He forgives what is less than that to whomever He wills" (Qur'an 4:48).
In either case, Allah's mercy exists, though for non-Muslims unreached by the message, it is a question of divine amnesty for their ignorance, not a confirmation of their religions validity. It is worth knowing the difference between these two things, for one's eternal fate depends on it.

[above by shaykh Nuh keller]



the Prophet said, upon him blessings and peace: Four will present excuses on the Day of Resurrection: The deaf one, the idiot, the senile old man, and the one who died in Fatra (the time between Prophets). The first will say, I didn't hear anything; the second, Islam came and street-children were throwing dung at me; the third, Islam came and I did not have my wits about me, and the fourth: my Lord, no Messenger came to me. Allah will Himself take their covenant to obey Him. They will be told to enter the fire (as a test). Those who obey will find it cool and safe, while those who refuse will be dragged to it. (Aswad, Abu Hurayra)


Al-Bazzar and al-Tirmidhi who graded it hasan narrated that the Prophet said, upon him blessings and peace: The one who died in Fatra, the retard, and the infant will say respectively: No Book or Messenger reached me; You gave me no mind wherewith to understand good or evil; I did not have a chance to do anything. A fire will be presented to them and they will be told to enter it. Those who would have done well in life will obey and enter it (temporarily) while those who would have disobeyed in life will refuse. Allah will tell them: You disobey Me (seeing Me), so how could you obey My Messengers in My absence? (Abu Sa`id al-Khudri)
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The Prophet Muhammad said, "No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)
Islam is the religion of all Prophets, Adam to Muhammad. Children are not born out of any sin, original, inherited or derived. They are born on the religion of their nature, i.e., Islam.

RECOGNITION OF ALLAH

The question which arises here is, "How can all people be expected to believe in Allah given their varying- backgrounds, societies and cultures? For people to be responsible for worshipping Allah they all have to have access to knowledge of Allah. The final revelation teaches that all mankind have the recognition of Allah imprinted on their souls, a part of their very nature with which they are created.

In Soorah Al-A'raaf, Verses 172-173; Allah explained that when He created Adam, He caused all of Adam's descendants to come into existence and took a pledge from them saying, Am I not your Lord? To which they all replied, " Yes, we testify to It:'

Allah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He is their creator and only true God worthy of worship. He said, "That was In case you (mankind) should say on the day of Resurrection, "Verily we were unaware of all this." That is to say, we had no idea that You Allah, were our God. No one told us that we were only supposed to worship You alone. Allah went on to explain That it was also In case you should say, "Certainly It was our ancestors who made partners (With Allah) and we are only their descendants; will You then destroy us for what those liars did?" Thus, every child is born with a natural belief in Allah and an inborn inclination to worship Him alone called in Arabic the "Fitrah".

If the child were left alone, he would worship Allah in his own way, but all children are affected by those things around them, seen or unseen.
The Prophet (PBUH) reported that Allah said, "I created my servants in the right religion but devils made them go astray". The Prophet (PBUH) also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian, the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any that were born mutilated?" (Collected by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim).
So, just as the child submits to the physical laws which Allah has put in nature, his soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allah is his Lord and Creator. But, his parents try to make him follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of his life to resist or oppose the will of his parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allah does not hold him to account or punish him for this religion. (By Abu Ameena Bilal Phillips )
 
I was debating someone with regards to this problem and have stumbled upon a hitch.

The person pointed out his verse:- 4:93 But whoever kills a believer intentionally - his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment.

Now the problem is, Murder is a finite crime. The murderer takes away x amount of the murdered persons life span. Also, the grief caused to family members is finite as it will only last until their death. Therefore, punishing murder with infinite punishment is unjust.

What do you guys think?
 
There is no crime against man that is worse than murder except maybe betrayal. And I mean betrayal of the heart. You can give back stolen money or a stolen item. You can apologize to your parents if you disrespected them but you can never bring back someone whom you have killed.
 
I was debating someone with regards to this problem and have stumbled upon a hitch.

The person pointed out his verse:- 4:93 But whoever kills a believer intentionally - his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment.

Now the problem is, Murder is a finite crime. The murderer takes away x amount of the murdered persons life span. Also, the grief caused to family members is finite as it will only last until their death. Therefore, punishing murder with infinite punishment is unjust.

What do you guys think?

we are all expendable in the eyes of god, he does not need us for anything.

the punishment is for intent.. and that intent can be infinite.

remorse, repentence those things may have an effect.. maybe it is a vehicle for change within the murderers life, i do not know.

those that do die are well within the grasp of there lord.
 
I was debating someone with regards to this problem and have stumbled upon a hitch.

The person pointed out his verse:- 4:93 But whoever kills a believer intentionally - his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment.

Now the problem is, Murder is a finite crime. The murderer takes away x amount of the murdered persons life span. Also, the grief caused to family members is finite as it will only last until their death. Therefore, punishing murder with infinite punishment is unjust.

What do you guys think?


like most verses of the Quran?, this one has to be put into context too with other verses, thus we know that an eternal punishment will not apply to any one dying as a believer, for all believers come out of hell one time or another


and the above verse contains a THREAT of punishment, that is IF Allah does not forgive and decides to punish, for he may choose to forgive any believer at His descretion

also the above verse may apply to any Muslim that intentionally kills a believer thinking that such an action is allowed, for then that will be kufr [for he has made the haraam halaal for himself] and thereafter who dies while not having repented from the desbelief, and this is the same as a desbeliever remaining in hell forever
 
Every believer will come out of paradise eventually, but as I understand it a believer is classed as someone who establishes the 5 pillars, if a person just utters the shahaddah and doesn't establish the religion but calls himself a Muslim will he also be put in the jannah eventually? Because today we have many Muslims who utter shahaddda and refer to themselves Muslims but they do not even implement the 5 pillars.
 
Every believer will come out of paradise eventually, but as I understand it a believer is classed as someone who establishes the 5 pillars, if a person just utters the shahaddah and doesn't establish the religion but calls himself a Muslim will he also be put in the jannah eventually? Because today we have many Muslims who utter shahaddda and refer to themselves Muslims but they do not even implement the 5 pillars.


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as long as a person believes in the shahadah in his heart, he is a believer allthough he may not do any more good deeds after that, but ofcourse such a thing is not advisable for he will be a grave sinner and will probably end up in hell [may ALlah save us all from that ameen] thus the only safe way for a believer is to establish the five pillars too and hold fast to the Quran and Sunnah

I think imam Ahmed is of the view that one who dont do his salaah is a kaafir, but the majority of scholars disagree with this and say that he still is a believer as long as he has not renounced his belief in shahadah

there is a hadith where a person on the day of Judgement will have 99? books full of evil deeds and one page of them books will be as long as the eye can see and he will have only one good deed and that is one day in his life he would have said the shahadah; the man will say to ALlah, oh ALlah what good will one good deed do against the countless bad ones, you might as well throw me in hell now without weighing them; ALlah will say, 'no injustice will be done to you this day', and the 99 books of bad deeds will be put on one scale and the shahadah will be put on the other; as soon as the shahadah touches the scale, the 99 books in the other scale will fly out and ALlah will say to the angels to show the man the way to paradise

so therefore we should not despair for any believer that dies, no matter how great a sinner he may have been

here is the relevent Aqeedah point:
  1. [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Those of the Ummah of Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, who have committed grave sins will be in the Fire, but not forever, provided they die and meet Allah as believers affirming His unity even if they have not repented. They are subject to His will and judgement. If He wants, He will forgive them and pardon them out of His generosity, as is mentionied in the Qur'an when He says: [/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]`And He forgives anything less than that (shirk) to whoever He wills' (al-Nisa' 4: 116); [/FONT]​
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]and if He wants, He will punish them in the Fire out of His justice and then bring them out of the Fire through His mercy, and for the intercession of those who were obedient to Him, and send them to the Garden. This is because Allah is the Protector of those who recognize Him and will not treat them in the Next World in the same way as He treats those who deny Him and who are bereft of His guidance and have failed to obtain His protection. O Allah, You are the Protector of Islam and its people; make us firm in Islam until the day we meet You. [/FONT][Aqeedah Tahawiyyah]
 

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