'US drone attacks in Pakistan must stop', 'victim' says

titus said:
Are unmanned drones any less honorable than roadside bombs?
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I never said they were, though I can imagine how desperate people can become when the enemy has overwhelming firepower.

How would you fight against the U.S. or Israel if you were Iraqi or Palestinian and living under a brutal occupation?
 
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I doubt countries are "friends" to begin with. Countries maintain good relations with other countries for support.
 
@bro Titus
dear actually u are bit confusing bcz of current situation of muslims countries, but i told u what they are practicing is not according to islam. if u want to learn what exactly islam teach us in this regard, then i request u to see "Hayat-E-Suhaba" English addition and there will a chapter about this.
Suhaba RA fight with others and its fact they always offers 3 options to enemies first.
1. came to islam, u will be our brothers, and we have no interest with ur money wealth and goveronment.
2. if u dont accept islam, then give gizya (its like tax). u will be like our state, u can practice ur religion but u will not not stop us to spread our religion of peace and truth.
3. if u dont accept any of above then there is option for fight. and if u lose all ur money will be our, ur girls will be slave girls.

so if u see these that will clear the purpose of fight. its not that we want our ruling all over the world. but we want ppl should came to islam so that they will be saved from forever hellfire. fight is in the case where there is no other way and the ppl dont let to spread islam. and ALLAH SWT says fight with non-believers until Islam will dominate/spread all over the world.

i am so sorry . english is not my first language. but i strongly recommend u to see above mentioned book for detail.
 
Argamemnon said:
What certain Muslims think is rather insignificant and your perception of Islam should not be influenced by what some of them say or do. There are many ignorant Muslims as there are many ignorant Americans and westerners. Obviously Muslim countries can and should have good relations with everybody else, but we aren't allowed to rely on them as protectors or allies. If I were the prime minister of Turkey (and if I had the opportunity to make important decisions), I would withdraw from NATO for example. I would still strive to improve relations with all non-Muslim nations as long as they are not hostile and aggressive against Muslims. This would be the proper Islamic attitude; Muslims are not monsters.. of course we can and will have friendly relations with the rest of the world, how could you think otherwise? We are all humans!
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brother with due apology; islam is religion form ALLAH SWT and we cant tend or change it according to our desires, our understandings or current situations. so number1, there is no concept of "islamic countries" is islam , but Khlifat. i think we should interpret islam in the same way it is given to us. we should not include our personal opinion into its interpretion.
rest how we can establish khilaffat and all this stuff. there are answers to all these questions and ppl are working for it. and insh as mentioned in hadith (like Mahdi AS) we will see it with our eyes.
 
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Pakistan: Calls for revenge after US drones kill 40

Tribal leaders in the Pakistani region of North Waziristan have vowed revenge against the US after drones killed more than 40 people near the Afghan border.

"We are a people who wait 100 years to exact revenge. We never forgive our enemy," the elders said in a statement. Thursday's attack has caused fury - most of the dead were tribal elders and police attending an open-air meeting. Observers say anger over the botched drone raid may help Pakistan delay an assault on the Taliban in Waziristan. The Pakistani military has so far resisted US pressure for such an assault. It is already fighting militants in a number of other parts of the country's north-west.

The BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Islamabad says Thursday's casualties will also add to pressure from Islamabad on the US to scale back drone strikes which regularly target Waziristan. The area is an al-Qaeda and Taliban stronghold and a launch pad for frequent attacks on US-led forces in Afghanistan. But the strikes are hugely unpopular in Pakistan. The latest one comes at a time of rising tension after the CIA contractor Raymond Davis was acquitted of murdering two men in Lahore.

'Just a jirga'

Thursday's drone strike is thought to have killed more civilians than any other such attack since 2006. Officials say two drones were involved. One missile was fired at a car carrying suspected militants. Three more missiles were then fired at the moving vehicle, hitting it and the nearby tribal meeting, or jirga. At least four militants in the vehicles were killed, local officials said. Most of the rest who died were elders, local traders and members of the tribal police.

"The world should try and find out how many of the 40-odd people killed in the drone attack were members of al-Qaeda," the elders said in their statement following the attack near North Waziristan's regional capital, Miranshah.
"It was just a jirga being held under local customs in which the prominent elders of Datta Khel sub-division, and common people were participating to resolve a dispute.

"But the Americans did not spare our elders even.

One of the elders, Malik Faridullah Wazir Khan, said he reached the scene 30 minutes after the missiles hit - four of his relatives were killed.

"The area was completely covered in blood," he told the BBC.
"There were no bodies, only body parts - hands, legs and eyes scattered around. I could not recognise anyone. People carried away the body parts in shopping bags and clothing or with bits of wood, whatever they could find."

He said 44 people died at the scene, including 13 children - one as young as seven.

On Thursday, Pakistan's army chief condemned the raid by US unmanned drones in unusually strong terms, calling it "intolerable... and in complete violation of human rights". The Pakistani military often makes statements regretting the loss of life in such incidents, but rarely criticises the attacks themselves. Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, however, said such "acts of violence" make it harder to fight terrorism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12784675
 
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The Pakistani govt and military should be protecting there people rather than allowing such awful atrocities to occur on their soil.
Yet we all know how inept they are, and they rather attack and kill their own people as we have seen in the SWAT valley.
Zardari, Sharif et al truly disgust me.
 
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It continues. . . .

US drone strike kills 25 in Pakistan

At least 25 people have been killed in yet another unauthorized US drone attack on the tribal village of Miranshah in northwestern Pakistan.

Officials reported that the non-UN-sanctioned attack by a US drone took place at 4:30 a.m. (2030 GMT) Friday, a Press TV correspondent reported. The drone fired six missiles at a house destroying it completely. The death toll may rise as rescue operation is underway to get people from the collapsed building.

The US drone continued flying over the area after the attack, creating panic among the local residents. Miranshah attack raised the number of US drone strikes in North Waziristan Agency to 21 in 2011. Reports indicate that the unmanned drone strikes in Pakistan's northwest tribal belt have claimed the lives of more than 1,180 people in 2010 alone.

Washington has at times claimed it has an agreement with Islamabad on launching such attacks, but Pakistani authorities say there has never been such a deal and that they view the airstrikes as repeated violations of the country's sovereignty. Moreover, Pakistani lawmakers have strongly criticized the US drone strikes and urged the government "to review its foreign policy and adopt a strict stance to stop CIA attacks inside Pakistan."

Khawaja Saad Rafiq, the leader of major Pakistani party Muslim League Nawaz, has blamed the hike in the acts of terrorism in Pakistan on the ongoing CIA drone attacks. The CIA's unauthorized drone strikes in Pakistan's northwest tribal belt claimed the lives of more than 1,180 people in 2010 alone, reports say.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176076.html

BBC version of same event

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13167425

'US to give Pakistan 85 drones'

The United States will supply Pakistan with 85 small surveillance drones, amid rising tensions between the two countries over aerial attacks that have left hundreds dead. The plan, announced by a US official speaking on condition of anonymity, is part of the US military aid to Pakistan in 2011 which is estimated to be nearly USD 3 billion, a Press TV correspondent reported on Friday.

The short-range surveillance aircraft called “Raven,” is produced by the US-based AeroVironment Company. It weighs 1.9 kg (4.2 lb) and is launched by hand and powered by an electric motor. Raven drones can be either remotely controlled or fly autonomous missions using GPS. They can provide day or night aerial intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance.

Another US official, who did not want to be named, said Washington also plans to supply Pakistan with larger, longer-range surveillance drones. The plan was put forward by US Defense Secretary Robert Gates in January 2010.

rest here

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176131.html
 
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The main supply route for NATO troops in Afghanistan was temporarily closed after thousands of people blocked a key highway in Pakistan to protest against US drone strikes. The call for Sunday's blockade of the supply line came from cricketer-turn-politician Imran Khan after US officials rejected Pakistan's demand for sharp cuts in drone strikes in its tribal regions where al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters are based.

Activists from Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaaf (PTI), Khan's party, and other parties staged a sit-in on the highway leading to Afghanistan through the Pashtun tribal region of Khyber. A US drone attack that left at least 25 people dead in Pakistan's North Waziristan region triggered the two-day sit-in near the city of Peshawar.

Friday's attack by the unmanned drone hit a compound in Hasan Khel and was the latest in a series of such attacks to have targeted the region. According to the Pakistani media, the border region has been targeted by at least 20 US drone attacks this year.

NATO resolute

According to US officials, the routes through Pakistan bring in 40 per cent of supplies for NATO forces in Afghanistan. Of the remainder, 40 per cent comes through Afghanistan's neighbours in the north and 20 per cent by air.

The NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Kabul said the two-day blockade would have no impact on the alliance's operations in Afghanistan. "Co-ordination with Pakistani government officials has been conducted and we understand the government will maintain security," an ISAF spokesman said. "There is no impact on ISAF sustainment."

The increasing use of drones has been mired in controversy, with remotely-controlled Predator and Reaper drones being blamed for inadvertent strikes on civilians, inflaming anti-US sentiment.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/04/2011424185743193696.html
 
Why is the pakistani government so spineless?

Kudos to the people of Pakistan for making a stand, something that their government should have done.
 
Why is the pakistani government so spineless?
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They like the US dollars in their personal bank accounts, their children in Foreign universities, they will have coup on the order of their american friends then these very same politicans will unearth in a couple of years. Didn't Zardari actually state once when he was imprisoned for corruption that he was mentally ill, yet he is a leader of pakistan on the back of his wifey's death. Makes me want to vomit. Knowing that Innocent people are dying. Please dont get me started on the corruption. Truly, May Allah (swt) have mercy on these so called leaders.


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The Pakistani govt and military should be protecting there people rather than allowing such awful atrocities to occur on their soil.
Yet we all know how inept they are, and they rather attack and kill their own people as we have seen in the SWAT valley.
Zardari, Sharif et al truly disgust me. ​
 
The problems run deeper than this.

People of Pakistan are as varied in regards to American intervention. Those who belong to upper-middle class and are monetarily well off and live in Central Pakistan or Southern Pakistan, many of them are ok with US bombing the Northern areas. Only poor people or those working for Imran Khan's Tehreek e Insaaf are willing to come to the streets.

So I really have no sympathy for those people whose beliefs support American bombing so that "terrorists might be killed for building a safer and progressive Pakistan."
 
yas2010 said:
he is a leader of pakistan on the back of his wifey's death
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Do youKnow a lot about Pakistan? Do you know what the common people think about benazir bhutto? This has always bugged me. It seems like she is revered by many but from what I have seen and read she was just as corrupt as any other leader, committed war crimes, and bled pakistan dry. The only thing she did right was try and keep pakistan safe from the war on terror but thats after the fact that she let the US build training camps for the taliban in pakistan.
 
Do youKnow a lot about Pakistan? Do you know what the common people think about benazir bhutto? This has always bugged me. It seems like she is revered by many but from what I have seen and read she was just as corrupt as any other leader, committed war crimes, and bled pakistan dry.
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Br please dont think i revered her anyway. Yes she was as corrupt as the rest. I do know that she had a great deal of support on the back of her fathers death. She appealed to the populist vote.

She and her dear husband siphoned millions into their private accounts. But the fact remains that due to policys and appeasement of the US that Pakistan as a soverign nation is being attacked with the poor innocent paying their ultimate price
 
yas2010 said:
Br please dont think i revered her anyway. Yes she was as corrupt as the rest. I do know that she had a great deal of support on the back of her fathers death. She appealed to the populist vote. She and her dear husband siphoned millions into their private accounts. But the fact remains that due to policys and appeasement of the US that Pakistan as a soverign nation is being attacked with the poor innocent paying their ultimate price
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Ah thak you that clears up quite a bit. The media over here would have us believe that she was pakistans version of MLK.
 
mad_scientist said:
What is mlk? None of the leaders starting from Jinnah to zardari wanted sharia law.
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Marten luther king. What I ment was she was the puppet of the US until she slipped up on the bin laden thing. But over here the media trys to tell you that she did great things and was killed by terrorists who hated the idea of a women in charge. Even though the video clearly shows otherwise. I knew mr. 10 percent was not well liked but did not know about his wife.
 
MLK = martin luther king. HTH

Dear Br mad scientist yes its true none of the so called 'founding fathers' of pakistan wanted sharia law. But all the subsequent leaders have been abhorrent. Not sure what Dr Allama Iqbal would make of it. Not sure if he wanted Sharia law either?!

About 20 years ago i travelled to Pakistan, and i was horrfied at the poverty but also the levels of wealth too.
 
LavaDog said:
Ah thak you that clears up quite a bit. The media over here would have us believe that she was pakistans version of MLK.
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I'm lost...what's milk got to do with this?

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Sorry I thought you typed milk.
 
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So, the quest to help Pakistanis understand 'American values' continues. . . . . .

A non-UN sanctioned US drone strike has killed at least 17 people and wounded several others in Pakistan's troubled northwestern tribal region.

The unmanned US predators fired a number of missiles in the tribal district of North Waziristan, a Press TV correspondent reported on Friday. Local security officials say a house and a hotel were targeted.

The aerial attacks, initiated by former US President George W. Bush have escalated under President Barack Obama. Islamabad has often voiced its anger at repeated non-UN sanctioned US drone strikes.

US officials say the attacks target militants. However, a majority of the victims of the attacks are civilians. The issue of civilian casualties has strained relations between Islamabad and Washington.

The Islamabad government has condemned the strikes as violation of its sovereignty. CIA director Leon Panetta recently said the US has no intention of stopping the attacks.

The Friday attack comes after Pakistani authorities strongly censured the US for conducting another unauthorized attack in Pakistan that led to the killing of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/178532.html

BBC version of events

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13307509
 
Pak gov needs to Man up and tell US to get out, if they don't their people will Inshallah revolt like Libya/Tunisia/Egypt and many of the other Muslim countries and not stand for this blaitant corruption.
 

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