what do christians & jews believe in?

Zafran:
Yep - Just shows that God's messege has always been universal.

Then why isn't "loving your neighbor as yourself" the number 1 priority of ALL religiously minded people, particularly the Abrahamic religions? It seems to me that if it's so OBVIOUS to be a universal commandment from God, that to fail to do it is simple, direct disobedience.

To fail to love one's neighbor before God is to disobey the commandment...right?

salaam

well it is in Christainty and Islam - thats why people like inviting people to there religion - thats why there is extensive Missionery/dawah work in these 2 religions.

peace
 
The reason we don't invite is because we don't say our religion is the only one accepted by God. We don't focus on the salvation of our souls. We focus more on following God's commandments for right now. All of them. But we do accept people who come to us, we just inform them of the heavy responsibility.
 
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"We focus more on following God's commandments for right now"

Here is something from the Talmud........

"Do not be daunted by the enormity of the worlds grief
Do Justly now,
Love mercy now,
walk humbly now,
You are not obligated to complete the work,
but neither are you free to abandon it."
----Talmud.
 
The reason we don't invite is because we don't say our religion is the only one accepted by God. We don't focus on the salvation of our souls..

God chose bani israel for the role of Priests

Exodus 19:5
Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you[ will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ .”

That was your role, you were supposed to guide mankind to the knowledge of God .And now you've done way with that role and have made your religion into a racial religion
saying that you need to be born a Jew to be Jew .

We focus more on following God's commandments for right now. All of them. .
Yeah sure , you jews sure focus wellon following the commands [/sarcasm]

Thou shall not steal
Thou shall not kill

Which is why the israelis committing the biggest robbery of the 20th century.

mtt-palestine-the-biggest-robbery-of-20th-century1.jpg
 
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Interesting....

A Jewish person gave me a definition of Satan that I liked---he called it "the force of fragmentation/division"....since division/fragmentation takes/tempts us away from "Unity"---it seems appropriate.....

Judaism is much older than Christianity---but they seem to have done a much better job of preserving the message of God (Tawheed/Unity) than the Christians and their trinity.....a concept that fragments/divides God thus breaking the "Unity".
 
It does, Naid


Then what are those christian and catholics fundies in this forum going on and on about how christianity and judaism are very close and Islam is not, when the basics of judaism such as above show that Islam and Judaism are extremely close as Islam agrees with all those points.
 
It depends on what is considered.
If you consider common beliefs about Jesus, Islam and Christianity are closer Catholicism/Orthodoxy in particular
If you consider common beliefs about God in relation to Man, Judaism and Christianity are closer Catholicism/Orthodoxy in particular
If you consider the actual practice of the religions: Judaism and Islam are closer; they are both Old Testaments mentality religions
 
According to Richard Bulliet---the idea that "Western" civilization is "Judeo-Christian" is something that came about only after WWII as a response to the Holocaust----whose roots of hatred were in both Protestant and Catholic Christianity.......

I must say....I also fell into the trap of believing that "Judeo-Christian" Meta-narrative. Many Christians claim their concepts are found in the OT---a false claim.---Unless one totally distorts the OT into something unrecognizable by Jews......

However, Christianity has made attempts to re-evaluate/redefine its relationship with Jews and this is a good thing----hate should not be part of any religion.....


From Wikipedia-----
"As a part of Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), the Roman Catholic Church under Pope Paul VI issued the declaration Nostra Aetate ("In Our Time"), which in part repudiated the traditional belief in the collective Jewish guilt for the Crucifixion.[11] Nostra Aetate stated that even though some Jewish authorities and those who followed them called for Jesus' death, the blame for this cannot be laid at the door of all those Jews present at that time, nor can the Jews in our time be held as guilty.
On November 16, 1998, Church Council of Evangelical Lutheran Church in America adopted a resolution prepared by its Consultative Panel on Lutheran-Jewish Relations urging any Lutheran church presenting a Passion Play to adhere to their Guidelines for Lutheran-Jewish Relations, stating that "the New Testament … must not be used as justification for hostility towards present-day Jews," and that "blame for the death of Jesus should not be attributed to Judaism or the Jewish people."[12][13]"
 
Funny.

Say, Boaz. Some questions...from a Judeo-Christian. Heh. ;D

1) Would Christianity exist historically without Judaism?

2) Can genuine Christianity, as a belief, be absolutely separable from Judaism?

3) Jewishly speaking, is YHWH ever without his "Word" or His "Spirit"? (Thinking of the Law, Writings, and Prophets). In other words, is there any Scriptural context where YHWH is absolutely separable from his "Word" or His "Spirit"?

4) Does Judaism historically and currently hold that the Holy Spirit of YHWH--that was upon His Prophets, including David--is nothing other than the Angel Gabriel?

5) Does Judaism hold that human beings are created in the image and likeness of God? If so, how does Judaism articulate this "image of God" concept?
 
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It depends on what is considered. If you consider common beliefs about Jesus, Islam and Christianity are closer Catholicism/Orthodoxy in particular If you consider common beliefs about God in relation to Man, Judaism and Christianity are closer Catholicism/Orthodoxy in particular If you consider the actual practice of the religions: Judaism and Islam are closer; they are both Old Testaments mentality religions


Did you not read my previous post of the 9 points? and what is the meaning of the unintelligible sentences you wrote above? care to elaborate.

Here, I elaborate the 9 points for your benefit:

1Jews believe that one person cannot die for the sins of another person.
Christians believe one person died to pay off the sins of the rest of humanity. Muslims and Jews absolutely believe that NO person die for the sins of another.

2 Jews believe that we do not need a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.
Muslims also do not believe a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. Christians believe in the blood atonement of Jesus.

3 Jews believe that Jesus was not the messiah.
Muslims believe in the prophethood of Jesus and that Jesus is one of the beloved prophet of Allah SWT. Christians believe Jesus is God.

4 Jews believe that God hates human sacrifices. Who died on the cross? Was it Jesus-the-god, or was it Jesus-the-human? If it was Jesus-the-god, Jews don't believe that God can die. If it was Jesus-the-human, then all Christians have in the death of Jesus was a human death, a human sacrifice. Jews believe that God hates the very idea of human sacrifice.
Muslims also believe that God hates human sacrifices. Christians either believe in human sacrifices or in God sacrifices (deicide) depending on how they view Jesus when he died.

5 Jews believe that one is born into the world with original purity, and not with original sin. Jews do not believe in original sin.
Muslims also believe in the fitrah and purity of born babies, and do not believe in orginal sin. Christians believe that babies are born with sin and believe in original sin

6 Jews believe that God is one and indivisible. Jews do not believe in a trinity.
Muslims also believe exactly the same, Christians believe in 3-in-1 God (the supreme God, the human God, and the wandering spirit)

7 Jews believe in The Satan, but not in a devil. There is a difference between The Satan and the devil.
Muslisms believe in the syaiton. I dont know what the concept of Devil in christianity.

8 Jews believe that God is God, and humans are humans. God does not become human nor do humans become God.
Muslims believe exactly the same. Christians believe in cross-hybrid (union) of God and human.

9 Jews believe that "Jews for Jesus," "Messianic Jews," and "Hebrew Christians" are no longer Jews, even if they were once Jews.
no comment for this.
 
1. No it could not. Jesus was a Jew.
2. The main belief is the Oneness of God. Not one in three.
3. I don't know of any. But Muslims believe the same thing.
4. Well, God has worked through His prophets. We don't hold David to be a prophet. He was a King. A pious man. A righteous man. But not a prophet. He wrote the psalms himself, they weren't revealed to him.
5. In Genesis, God says "Let us make man in our image." He made man in the image of the angels. Speaking of angels, Satan in Judaism isn't an enemy of God, he's a servant of God. His job is to try to tempt people to do evil.
 
Thanks for the responses, Boaz. Feedbacking...

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YO: 1) Would Christianity exist historically without Judaism?

Boaz: 1. No it could not. Jesus was a Jew.

Agreed.

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YO: 2) Can genuine Christianity, as a belief, be absolutely separable from Judaism?

Boaz: The main belief is the Oneness of God. Not one in three.

I understanding that Judaism doesn't hold to a Trinity. That wasn't really my question. It seems to me that the answer from #1 ties directly to this. Jews and Christians disagree on Jesus being the JEWISH Messiah. Jesus as the God's Messiah of Israel is a CORE belief of Christianity, from the Disciples to Paul on down...East AND West. To me, it seems impossible for Christianity to be absolutely separable from Judaism...for Christianity would have to remove any belief in Jesus as Messiah of the "Children of Israel". And Christianity CANNOT do that.

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YO: 3) Jewishly speaking, is YHWH ever without his "Word" or His "Spirit"? (Thinking of the Law, Writings, and Prophets). In other words, is there any Scriptural context where YHWH is absolutely separable from his "Word" or His "Spirit"?

Boaz: I don't know of any. But Muslims believe the same thing.

1) Agreed. Scripturally speaking, it's never the case that YHWH is without either his Word or Spirit.

2) I don't know if Muslims believe the same thing with this. Maybe Naidamar can shed some light. :shade:

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YO: 4) Does Judaism historically and currently hold that the Holy Spirit of YHWH--that was upon His Prophets, including David--is nothing other than the Angel Gabriel?

Boaz: Well, God has worked through His prophets. We don't hold David to be a prophet. He was a King. A pious man. A righteous man. But not a prophet. He wrote the psalms himself, they weren't revealed to him.


1) Interestingly enough, Islam holds David to be a prophet.

2) I don't think that you answered my main question: Is it the case that the Holy Spirit of YHWH--the Spirit of Prophecy that is spoken of in the Torah, Prophets, and Writings--is SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED with the angel Gabriel? All of the reading I've done says no...but I wanted to know what you thought.

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YO: 5) Does Judaism hold that human beings are created in the image and likeness of God? If so, how does Judaism articulate this "image of God" concept?

Boaz: In Genesis, God says "Let us make man in our image." He made man in the image of the angels.


This answer was confusing. Are you saying that the "us" in the above quote is talking about the angels? Doesn't the Genesis passage imply that God made Adam in HIS OWN image? The Jewish Encyclopedia seems to think so in it's entry on Adam...

"The Hebrew and Biblical name for man, and also for the progenitor of the human race. In the account of the Creation given in Gen. i. man was brought into being at the close of the sixth creative day, "made in the image of God," and invested with dominion over the rest of the animate world. Man was thus created, male and female, charged to replenish the earth with his own kind and to subdue it to his own uses."

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"Why was only a single specimen of man created first? To teach us that he who destroys a single soul destroys a whole world and that he who saves a single soul saves a whole world; furthermore, in order that no race or class may claim a nobler ancestry, saying, 'Our father was born first'; and, finally, to give testimony to the greatness of the Lord, who caused the wonderful diversity of mankind to emanate from one type. And why was Adam created last of all beings? To teach him humility; for if he be overbearing, let him remember that the little fly preceded him in the order of creation. In a dispute, therefore, as to which Biblical verse expresses the fundamental principle of the Law, Simon ben 'Azkai maintained against R. Akiba—who, following Hillel, had singled out the Golden Rule (Lev. xix. 18)—that the principle of love must have as its basis Gen. v. 1, which teaches that all men are the offspring of him who was made in the image of God (Sifra, Ḳedoshim, iv.; Yer. Ned. ix. 41c; Gen. R. 24)."
 
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Believe what you want to believe, and we'll see who's right in the end - A statement within the Quran.
 
All of the above could indicate how the term "Judeo-Christian" can be used to illustrate exactly the point that Paul was making in Romans: God's working with Israel is the "tree" to which Gentiles had become GRAFTED by faith in Jesus. As Jesus said "Salvation is of the Jews." For Christians who take this SERIOUSLY, the term "Judeo-Christian" has meaning distinct from any attempt at political correctness or ecumenism.

Just for perspective.
 
Boaz: 1. No it could not. Jesus was a Jew. Agreed.


Jesus was a rabbinic jew, not God.

Jews only agreed to the first part, not the second.


I understanding that Judaism doesn't hold to a Trinity. That wasn't really my question. It seems to me that the answer from #1 ties directly to this. Jews and Christians disagree on Jesus being the JEWISH Messiah. Jesus as the God's Messiah of Israel is a CORE belief of Christianity, from the Disciples to Paul on down...East AND West. To me, it seems impossible for Christianity to be absolutely separable from Judaism...for Christianity would have to remove any belief in Jesus as Messiah of the "Children of Israel". And Christianity CANNOT do that.


LOL, YO.
You and your trickery attempt at forcing us to accept the divinity of Jesus.

1) Agreed. Scripturally speaking, it's never the case that YHWH is without either his Word or Spirit. 2) I don't know if Muslims believe the same thing with this. Maybe Naidamar can shed some light.

Boaz didnt say he agree with you about word and spirit. I dont even know if Boaz even understand what you are talking about.
LOL, YO.
You and your trickery attempt at forcing us to accept the divinity of Jesus.

YO, why don't you just accept the fact the muslims and jews will NEVER accept that Jesus is God, or that Jesus is part of God, or that Jesus is divine.

It's not in jewish scriptures, and not in the Qur'an, and till the end of the day no true jews or muslims will ever believe that Jesus was God, or very god (in your own word).

You have been talking incessantly about this in every threads. I think I am going to save my response, and next time you post something like this again, I will just have to copy and paste this response.


 
All of the above could indicate how the term "Judeo-Christian" can be used to illustrate exactly the point that Paul was making in Romans: God's working with Israel is the "tree" to which Gentiles had become GRAFTED by faith in Jesus. As Jesus said "Salvation is of the Jews." For Christians who take this SERIOUSLY, the term "Judeo-Christian" has meaning distinct from any attempt at political correctness or ecumenism.

When you follow Jesus only, then yes you can call your religion judeo-christian, but since your faith is dominated by Saul (aka paul) of tarsus who elevated jesus into godhood and rejected all the judeo parts and abolish all the judeo laws that Jesus said he was never going to abolish, then what you have is Pauline christianity.
 

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