Breaking news: Israel plans to invade gaza officialy now

شَادِنُ;1552930 said:
Why don't you use the report button feature dearie?
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I did. But rather than report every post which I thought was worth reporting (which would have taken all evening, given you have to wait a minute or so between each go), I reported my own.

Hey presto. Hours saved! ;D
 
Sweetshot you can talk what you want because in the near future it will proof who of us is right, you are a support of israel and its secular/atheist system, and you most likely want israel to dominate the ME. However this is backfiring, the uprisings in certain ME countries have created a pro-palestinian force, a force which israel cant defend from, this is admitted by American zionist jews, one of them henry kissinger who said that there will be no israel anymore from now to 2022. However it might be not over yet when israel is gone we still have US/NATO but they are losing ground alhamdulillah.

In 10 years, there will be no more Israel: Kissinger

The idea of Israel’s inexorable collapse is no longer a taboo as more top brass US officials are explicitly attesting to the fact, with prominent US diplomat Henry Kissinger saying, “In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.”


“Kissinger's statement is flat and unqualified. He is not saying that Israel is in danger, but could be saved if we just gave it additional trillions of dollars and smashed enough of its enemies with our military.… He is not offering a way out. He is simply stating a fact: In 2022, Israel will no longer exist,” political columnist Kevin Barrett wrote in an article published on Press TV website on Sunday.

He also pointed to a study commissioned by the US Intelligence Community (IC), comprised of 16 US intelligence agencies, earlier this year, titled “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East,” and pointed out that the content of the IC’s report corroborates Kissinger's contention.

“The sixteen US intelligence agencies agree that Israel cannot withstand the coming pro-Palestinian juggernaut consisting of the Arab Spring, the Islamic Awakening, and the rise of the Islamic Republic of Iran,” the analyst added.
The IC report contends that the US government no longer has the military and financial resources “to continue propping up Israel against the wishes of more than a billion of its neighbors” and suggests that “the US will have to follow its own national interests and pull the plug on Israel,” Barrett said.​
Considering the fact that the Jewish Kissinger has long been viewed as an ardent friend of Israel and that the majority of US officials, including the authors of the IC report, are influenced by pro-Israeli lobby, the emerging messages become more remarkable, the article added.

The article argues that the emerging “complacency” among the US officials about Israel’s fate can be traced in the following reasons:

· American politicians and political activists “are growing fed-up with Israeli intransigence and fanaticism.”
· Americans feel “festering resentment over the Israel lobby's imperious domination of public discourse.”
· “The American Jewish community is no longer united in support of Israel.”
· It is becoming a common knowledge that Israel and its supporters carried out the 9/11 false-flag attacks.

“In fact, the US is going broke and sacrificing thousands of lives in wars for Israel - wars that damage, rather than aid, US strategic interests,” the article said.

“It will become ever-easier for American policymakers, following in the footsteps of Kissinger and the sixteen intelligence agencies, to recognize the obvious: Israel has reached the end of its shelf-life,” Barrett concluded.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/264485.html

Your view of history is flawed to
 
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I walked into Li, saw the target, took aim and BAM!

What a Sweetshot! Right in the banned list!

Good riddance to bad rubbish I say. :)
 
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'Abd-al Latif said:
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I walked into Li, saw the target, took aim and BAM!

What a SweetShot! Right in the banned list!

Good riddance to bad rubbish I say. :)
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Ya Abd'Al-Latif,
I made a cheese cake (which I'll post in the IB kitchen thread be sure to check it out and positive rep me on a job well done) for sis Insaanah but now I shall cut you a large slice too! :D
 
شَادِنُ;1552944 said:


Ya Abd'Al-Latif,
I made a cheese cake (which I'll post in the IB kitchen thread be sure to check it out and positive rep me on a job well done) for sis Insaanah but now I shall cut you a large slice too! :D
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I'm hungry already!
 
'Abd-al Latif said:
I'm hungry already!
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Can you see it? not sure if it posted I am having probs with the server..
here it is just in case:



the first slice I cut off is for me.. I have to taste everything first, I am the baker and the royal taster..I caramelized (bruleed) the top you can remove it if you don't care for carmel..
 
Jazaka Allah khyran.. keep trying to bribe my sis with pix so she can come spend the evening with me but she refuses :(
 
Salaam

Mustafa2012 said:
:wa:.

I disagree. It's a realistic view of the capabilities of each side.

I know a lot about the history of the conflict.

Everything you said just confirmed what I said.

How does any of your post make a difference to what I've said?
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On the contrary your post shows a poor understanding of the conflict.

Incidentally you didn't respond to any of my points.

For those who want a better understanding of whats going on at the moment

Israel started this not Hamas


Israel Wants Gaza Colonized


Statement by Noam Chomsky

The incursion and bombardment of Gaza is not about destroying Hamas. It is not about stopping rocket fire into Israel, it is not about achieving peace.

The Israeli decision to rain death and destruction on Gaza, to use lethal weapons of the modern battlefield on a largely defenseless civilian population, is the final phase in a decades-long campaign to ethnically-cleanse Palestinians.

Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques, and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defense, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armor, no command in control, no army… and calls it a war. It is not a war, it is murder.

When Israelis in the occupied territories now claim that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing. You can't defend yourself when you're militarily occupying someone else's land. That's not defense. Call it what you like, it's not defense.

Noam Chomsky

شَادِنُ;1552832 said:

The reality is only known to the people who are there fighting and it isn't up to us to say back off you're unprepared, the very least we can do is loan our support and du3a. It isn't a matter of over confidence, it is a matter of what we're required to do in Islam which is already listed for us in our families, our money, our homes, our honor and our lands!
You were not my objective with my comment on cowardice it is the ones who so gleefully cheer for the IDF, I am not really sure what their standards or even creed is for that matter!
It is so vile to read some of the comments here sometimes, utterly disappointing and disgusting!
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Yes have to agree with this :(

I always wonder what this ‘realistic’ attitude is? Somebody’s destroying you what are you meant to do.

Did the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto show a ‘realistic’ attitude?
 
Junon said:
Yes have to agree with this

I always wonder what this ‘realistic’ attitude is? Somebody’s destroying you what are you meant to do.

Did the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto show a ‘realistic’ attitude?
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Believe me if the cowards weren't scared especially with the so-called 'Arab Spring' in the region they wouldn't be descending like locusts upon the net and elsewhere trying for a psychological war, ideological war and with the weapons they leech off the tax payers money.
Think of it this way, what can happen?
[FONT=Verdana,arial]At-Tauba (The Repentance)[9:52] [RECITE]
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Qul hal tarabbasoona bina illa ihda alhusnayayni wanahnu natarabbasu bikum an yuseebakumu Allahu biAAathabin min AAindihi aw biaydeena fatarabbasoo inna maAAakum mutarabbisoona​
9:52 Say: "Can you expect for us (any fate) other than one of two glorious things- (Martyrdom or victory)? But we can expect for you either that Allah will send his punishment from Himself, or by our hands. So wait (expectant); we too will wait with you."


Allah swt is with us if we are steadfast, it isn't a matter of who has what. We didn't have 'what' against the Romans, or the Persians or even the murtads back then when we were a handful, now we're nations, and not stupid nations at that, we were just ruled by despots. We must believe in the promise of Allah swt if we're true to the message. Like I stated to the guy that was just banned, Egypt took down their Bar Lev line which costs the tax payers 500 million with some water and a strong will. All there really needs to be done is for us to unite together as one unit and I do see sparks of solidarity. Now isn't the time for cowardice or to be divided.. they're very easy to take down, they're in our midst and the U.S is in bad shape they're only good and heroic in the movies, they can barely get out of afghanistan.

Israel couldn't handle itself with HizbAllah and they're smaller than Gaza, how can they handle themselves with all those countries in the region, and I do wonder if we've countries like Malaysia, Indonesia etc. on board if they'd last at all one day? but they've been very good at keeping us divided and deluding some of us that they're friends and that they're only fighting a select few 'radicals'. They've completely ravaged us because we let them. There's nothing witty or brilliant or masterful about them, in fact they're cowards. I have posted a video of two fully clad soldiers startles by a little noise made by children. May Allah swt forever instill fear and cowardice in their hearts..

Ameen​
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Junon said:
Salaam

This is really poor analysis. In fact its dreadful.

Look at the two sides. How on earth can you compare them?

Israel the 4th (or 5th?) most powerful army in the world, has access the most sophisticated weaponry imaginable (mainly American) and has spent decades perfecting the art of torturing and humiliating the Palestinian people. Not to mention its access to resources and its backing by western powers.

Contrast this with the people of the Gaza strip. Due to the Israeli occupation it has become one of the poorest and densely populated areas on earth. And contrary to the usual deceit it is still under occupation. Israel controls its borders, its seas and its airspace. It tightly controls what goes in and out. If you want a simple example of how depraved they are at trying to control the Gazans try this article

Israel used 'calorie count' to limit Gaza food during blockade, critics claim

Defence ministry files on 'avoiding' civilian malnutrition are proof Israel used food restrictions to hit Hamas, says Palestine group

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza

So its sealed shut, Gazans can’t develop their economy because they have severely limited access to the outside world. This isn’t helped by the regular bombardment from sea, air, land from the Israeli army almost terminally damaging any attempts to develop the economy, or for people to lead semi decent existence. To top it off they assassinate whoever they find inconvenient whenever they like regardless of the circumstances.

Now remember why Hamas came to power in Gaza, (US backed) Fatah launched a coup to remove Hamas. Didn’t turn out how they wanted and Hamas countered taking control of Gaza. Then the whole strip was put under siege, backed by Western powers and Mubarak.

So under the circumstance that they are in

How on earth are they meant to survive? Let alone build up their economy and military of the Gaza strip that is (a) under blockade and (b) regularly attacked by the Israeli army.

How on earth do you expect them to match Israel’s military might, that's an insane question to ask. Given the disparity between the two sides I just cannot understand how you can even contemplate this question

And you cant compare Hamas with Hezbollah, Hezbollah have had decades of experience fighting the Israel occupation of southern Lebanon and had far, far more favourable circumstances than the people of Gaza. (eg. Freedom of movement, ability to build infrastructure economy, access to the outside world, access to weaponry etc)

Its amazing that the people of Gaza and the Hamas government have survived this long and should be an inspiration to all, that despite the horrendous punishment they are taking they still exist.

That’s what matters.

On a personal note it’s very disappointing that Muslims brothers and sisters have attitudes displayed in the above quote, if we are to get anywhere we have to do better.
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With all due respect brother read your words again.

All your post is doing is explaining why Palestinians are in the situation they are in right now and how the Israeli's have oppressed them which does not change the fact that they are still not ready for an Israeli attack now and not as organized as Hizbullaah is.

You have not said anything new which I don't already know and you have not made a case for why the Palestinians are ready for an Israeli attack right now.

For the record, I sympathize very much with the Palestinian people and hate what those Zionists are doing to them but telling me how they've been oppressed is not going to change anything because everyone already knows how oppressed they are.

They still need the support of their fellow Muslim countries, they still need to sort out their various factions which are not working together. They still need to unite under one cause and they still need more manpower to be able to defeat Israel.
 
شَادِنُ;1552930 said:
Why don't you use the report button feature dearie?
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Salam alaykum

It is YOU who should thinks how muslim have to behave.
 
Salaam

Mustafa2012 said:
With all due respect brother read your words again.

All your post is doing is explaining why Palestinians are in the situation they are in right now and how the Israeli's have oppressed them which does not change the fact that they are still not ready for an Israeli attack now and not as organized as Hizbullaah is.

You have not said anything new which I don't already know and you have not made a case for why the Palestinians are ready for an Israeli attack right now.

For the record, I sympathize very much with the Palestinian people and hate what those Zionists are doing to them but telling me how they've been oppressed is not going to change anything because everyone already knows how oppressed they are.

They still need the support of their fellow Muslim countries, they still need to sort out their various factions which are not working together. They still need to unite under one cause and they still need more manpower to be able to defeat Israel.
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On the contrary your not understanding what I'm saying and your not understanding any of videos or statements Ive posted.

The people of Gaza are not ready for an attack? Yes I think we all know that, I think the whole world knows that.

Just answer me these questions.

How are they meant to 'prepare' for an attack given that they are under 'constant' attack? Do they send a postcard to the Israelis politely asking them to stay their attack until they are 'ready'?
How are they meant to maintain a ceasefire when Israel breaks them at will?
How are they meant to build up their society, economy and military when they are under blockade and attacked from land, sea air at regular intervals?
How are they meant to unite, given the geographical distance between Gaza and the Westbank not mention that Fatah are backed by the West?
How on earth do you expect them to 'defeat' Israel? Which has one of the most powerful armies on earth? Tell me how are they meant to do that?


You'll actually find that Hamas and the people of Gaza have done a remarkable job in keeping their society alive and functioning given the horrendous conditions the exist under.
 
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Junon said:
Which has one of the most powerful armies on earth?
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I disagree with this one, only in the fact they like the Americans rate themselves.. artillery and funding isn't what makes an army powerful. And I think smaller groups, far smaller than Gaza have proven that said might is only a form of psychological warfare and an undertaking to give the illusion of their power and influence. They're in fact pretty pathetic.. All you really need are strategists to win a war nor weaponry (I mean that's important too) but such things are operated by humans and they're stupid humans at that!
 
Ah this conflict seems to have no end. :/ When I see headlines like this I just ask myself why can't we all just get along. :/ Back to reality, I doubt Israel will be able to keep this up.
 

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